GerateWohl 4,335 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Another example is the great re-recording of North by Northwest, which I believe was limited to 3000 units and sold out relatively quickly. I want that!!! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I want that!!! I have that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I would also buy North by Northwest reissue. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/22/2020 at 10:41 AM, Jurassic Shark said: Another example is the great re-recording of North by Northwest, which I believe was limited to 3000 units and sold out relatively quickly. I'd buy that in a heartbeat. For some unforgivable reason, I never picked it up when it was still available, even though it's probably (and especially back then) the Herrmann score I'm most familiar with. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I love that recording!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Fortunately, it's available as a lossless download. It definitely would prefer to have the CD but it is something at least. @Marian Schedenig I cannot explain why I skipped both this and Intrada release. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Fortunately, it's available as a lossless download. It definitely would prefer to have the CD but it is something at least. @Marian Schedenig I cannot explain why I skipped both this and Intrada release. Karol Thankfully I purchased both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 hours ago, crocodile said: @Marian Schedenig I cannot explain why I skipped both this and Intrada release. I've got the Rhino and the Intrada, which explains even less why I skipped the McNeely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Marian Schedenig said: I've got the Rhino and the Intrada Isn't the Intrada better than the Rhino in every way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Isn't the Intrada better than the Rhino in every way? Yes, but I've had the Rhino for years before the Intrada came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Yes, but I've had the Rhino for years before the Intrada came out. Does it have informative liner notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Does it have informative liner notes? That it does, I think. I don't remember what they say, but there's a page listing all the tracks with their recording dates, a 4 page essay about Herrmann and the score by Christopher Husted, 3 pages of Producer's Notes, and a 10 page essay "The Story" which is both a plot synopsis and a track by track analysis. And many of the photos and film stills have captions describing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 @BryonDavis, I believe Goldsmith's The Final Conflict is ripe for a re-release. You can call it The Deluxer Edition! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BryonDavis 172 Posted November 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: @BryonDavis, I believe Goldsmith's The Final Conflict is ripe for a re-release. You can call it The Deluxer Edition! It's unlikely the Final Conflict will be expanded. I could be wrong but it's been looked into. Things can always change though. On 10/25/2020 at 9:21 PM, crocodile said: Fortunately, it's available as a lossless download. It definitely would prefer to have the CD but it is something at least. @Marian Schedenig I cannot explain why I skipped both this and Intrada release. Karol I have suggested this get a proper reissue. crocodile, Amer and Jurassic Shark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 16 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: @BryonDavis, I believe Goldsmith's The Final Conflict is ripe for a re-release. You can call it The Deluxer Edition! Another catalog of cues; deluxer edition. 😉😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, BryonDavis said: It's unlikely the Final Conflict will be expanded. I could be wrong but it's been looked into. Things can always change though. What about a straight up re-release of the Deluxe Edition? After all, it's almost 20 years since it came out, and a lot of newer score collectors must be missing it. To me, it's an essential Goldsmith score, and I'm sure most people would agree. 1 hour ago, BryonDavis said: I have suggested this get a proper reissue. That's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 The Final Conflict is up to another label. The is no perpetuity license for Varese Sarabande. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The Final Conflict is up to another label. The is no perpetuity license for Varese Sarabande. Yes, I was wondering the same becuase Robert Townson has the rights through his MASTERS FILM MUSIC label. But I really want this to fully expanded and complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, Amer said: Yes, I was wondering the same becuase Robert Townson has the rights through his MASTERS FILM MUSIC label. But I really want this to fully expanded and complete. Huh, he transferred the rights from VS before he left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Huh, he transferred the rights from VS before he left? the rights were shared by Varese and MFM. (See the MFM logo with Varese on the cd backside below). The perpetuity rights stand with Townson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 And he clearly wasn't interested when someone asked him about it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 There are only three short cues missing - R4P1 Speakers Corner R9P2 After Hours R10P1 The Tube A couple of minutes at most. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I'm not championing a release of the complete score, but rather getting the score back on CD. Jim Ware 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Amer said: Yes, I was wondering the same becuase Robert Townson has the rights through his MASTERS FILM MUSIC label. But I really want this to fully expanded and complete. I would really like to have a trilogy box set à la Planet of the Apes released by Intrada or La-La Land. The first one would have another chance to get truly completion - maybe the elements turned up surprisingly. The second one is already complete, but would benefit from a sonic update and the third one has obviously stuff missing. Three CDs for $50 - I'd buy that in a heartbeat. No stand against that if the license owners agree to let the special labels do their job. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,497 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Jim Ware said: There are only three short cues missing - R4P1 Speakers Corner R9P2 After Hours R10P1 The Tube A couple of minutes at most. I'm aware of SPEAKERS CORNER, but where do the other two cues appear in the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I'm aware of SPEAKERS CORNER, but where do the other two cues appear in the film? Thats my is wanted cue. One understands why Townson was not in a rush to do it again. There are only few cues. But a complete program on Disc 1 and OST assembly on Disc 2 would be justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Amer said: But a complete program on Disc 1 and OST assembly on Disc 2 would be justified. Do we really need a second disc for the OST assembly, when the complete score is basically the same with six cues added in between? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'm not championing a release of the complete score, but rather getting the score back on CD. I would buy a new expansion with the missing cues, just because, but I don't know them and therefore can't say if I would consider them relevant. In any case, it should be available, in some form at least. It's as essential as anything Goldsmith has written. Jurassic Shark and Jim Ware 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 It's also got a decent The Hunt cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Do we really need a second disc for the OST assembly, when the complete score is basically the same with six cues added in between? Yes.Just as we need the 2CD of THE OMEN which Varese did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 What? The first expansion and 40th Anniversary expansion are both just one disc without the OST program https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/the-omen-40th-anniversary-edition https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19EmaHJccotmN1prBkX78PN2uvRyrfKWBGSkZ4-aoMgU/ Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Always include the OST. (tm) Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 AFAIK for The Omen the OST album was already the same takes as the film so you can just remove tracks from either expansion to end up with the OST program (other than the fact that Safari Park was edited down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I need to buy this now that I finally saw the film. And I will be happy not to have the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,589 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I could’ve sworn I’d heard for years that there were (at least) four cues still missing from The Final Conflict. What I had argued for years ago on the boards (before the original Omen was further expanded with the Anniversary Edition) was a full franchise release including definitive versions of all FIVE Omen scores — the two not by Goldsmith I believe Varese controls in perpetuity since they released the original albums: 1. The Omen (expanded to complete form, as basically happened on its own) 2. Damien: Omen II (remastered/restored with new technology which can hopefully rescue the damaged film recording better) 3. The Final Conflict (with the four missing cues) 4. Omen IV: The Awakening by Jonathan Sheffer (expanded to complete-as-recorded — this is quality music even if not on Goldsmith’s level; it was treated very poorly in the film and much went unused) 5. The Omen by Marco Beltrami (I think this is really excellent work and would love an official complete edition, though it might not have a ton of sales potential on its own.) Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,497 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Yes, @Yavar Moradi, I, also, like Beltrami's THE OMEN, especially his little "nods" to Jerry. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 13 hours ago, Jay said: What? The first expansion and 40th Anniversary expansion are both just one disc without the OST program https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/the-omen-40th-anniversary-edition https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19EmaHJccotmN1prBkX78PN2uvRyrfKWBGSkZ4-aoMgU/ Yikes. I need to open my set. Still unopened. I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Jay said: AFAIK for The Omen the OST album was already the same takes as the film so you can just remove tracks from either expansion to end up with the OST program (other than the fact that Safari Park was edited down) So you’d have to not just rearrange but do your own editing to listen to the OST. The only scores I wouldn’t want a separate OST presentation are scores where it’s already presented as-is, with the new cues added as bonus tracks (see: SPR, Schindler’s, Dick Tracy, etc.). To me, any definitive presentation of a score would also present the listening program. i know the point of these things is to make money and to present the new music, so I don’t begrudge the labels for NOT always including the OST. Certainly the addition of an additional disc, if it would come to that, makes any release more expensive to put together and a tougher sell. I’m just talkin’ my preference. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 I don't want to spend extra money for an OST presentation in addition to the complete score, when there are no substantially different takes, alternates, edits, overlays or whatever would justify that. When there is space left on a CD, then it's fine of course. Yavar Moradi, bruce marshall, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 9 hours ago, mstrox said: So you’d have to not just rearrange but do your own editing to listen to the OST. The only scores I wouldn’t want a separate OST presentation are scores where it’s already presented as-is, with the new cues added as bonus tracks (see: SPR, Schindler’s, Dick Tracy, etc.). To me, any definitive presentation of a score would also present the listening program. i know the point of these things is to make money and to present the new music, so I don’t begrudge the labels for NOT always including the OST. Certainly the addition of an additional disc, if it would come to that, makes any release more expensive to put together and a tougher sell. I’m just talkin’ my preference. You're right, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryonDavis 172 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/12/2020 at 11:23 PM, Amer said: Yes, I was wondering the same becuase Robert Townson has the rights through his MASTERS FILM MUSIC label. But I really want this to fully expanded and complete. I find it interesting how so many seem to know the rights to Varese releases. I am quite certain that VS has rights for Final Conflict. All I will say on this. 12-Mile Reef and Amer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Imminent re-release confirmed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryonDavis 172 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Imminent re-release confirmed! No but here's a tip for you sleuths, if its up digitally, it means rights are still with Varese. Final Conflict is still up and still with Varese. Just because the former producer started a production company (1 release in over a year btw) does not mean he will ever reissue anything like he did with Varese. My 2 cents. Yavar Moradi and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Is Varese releasing another Club Batch before the end of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 OST plus BONUS tracks. If only....😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,029 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, BryonDavis said: No but here's a tip for you sleuths, if its up digitally, it means rights are still with Varese. Final Conflict is still up and still with Varese. That's indeed great, but I still hope for another CD release. After all, it's essential Goldsmith, and it's 19 years since the last release. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryonDavis 172 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: Is Varese releasing another Club Batch before the end of the year? Unsure...I assume if they don't announce soon it will be early next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 "they"? Aren't you "they"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryonDavis 172 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 53 minutes ago, Jay said: "they"? Aren't you "they"? Others decide release dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 @BryonDavis Can you get us a fully expanded and remastered Omen trilogy box set? Jurassic Shark, Yavar Moradi and bruce marshall 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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