Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I think it works far less as an album than Chicken Run, mostly because of the score sharing the film with so many songs. Sort of score where if they'd done a bit more arranging (joining short cues, etc) they could've just released the complete score to begin with. If you're only leaving 8 minutes unreleased, you might as well find a way to release it. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 There are TWO dragon avatars on the knight. HTTYDragon TWO Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Never thought about that one but it would be damn great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 JFK for the other one( or BRAINSTORM)😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted April 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2021 There are 0 dragons on the knight's attire, but there are 5 griffins Holko, Faleel, Chewy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I know. Just checking to see you're paying attention! TSMefford and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 The only cue in Shrek that I think it was memorable is when Shrek and Donkey are flying the dragon to stop the wedding, at the end of the movie. Pure Powell magic there. There's also some fun electronic percussion for when they're saving Fiona from the Dragon, which I think it was HGW. Besides that, the most memorable musical moments in the movie are scored with songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I think there is a lot of nice stuff in Shrek! Fairy Tale, Eating Alone, Starry Night, Fiona’s secret, the finale which was mentioned. I’m not sure I’d be in $20-25 for a complete version, especially since the highlights from the movie are represented, but if it pops up digitally for cheaper I would likely go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 991 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I like Shrek quite a bit. While an expanded wouldn't be much longer, I was told one cue has a unique variant in film that isn't on the leak, so there is material there to warrant a release. I probably would wait for a digital release as well, given how much HTTYD ended up not being scarce like people would've expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: There are 0 dragons on the knight's attire, but there are 5 griffins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, HunterTech said: I like Shrek quite a bit. While an expanded wouldn't be much longer, I was told one cue has a unique variant in film that isn't on the leak, so there is material there to warrant a release. I probably would wait for a digital release as well, given how much HTTYD ended up not being scarce like people would've expected. I think that's Fairytale Deathcamp. I'm not famliar with the difference, but I remember someone else mentioning the scene, where there's less instrumentation, or something like that. I'd likely buy a CD, mostly as it would cost around the same as a lossless download would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I started watching SHREK but when Eddie Murphy came on with that " jive" shtick AGAIN ( MULAN) I bailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Edmilson said: There's also some fun electronic percussion for when they're saving Fiona from the Dragon, which I think it was HGW. The infamous action motif! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 991 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I think that's Fairytale Deathcamp. I'm not famliar with the difference, but I remember someone else mentioning the scene, where there's less instrumentation, or something like that. I'd likely buy a CD, mostly as it would cost around the same as a lossless download would. I imagine that one was a stem edit of the original track. What I was thinking of is 4m49 I'll Tell Him, which apparently is completely different in film. Not sure if that was a last minute revision that was too late to make it on the album, or if it's hacked together from various cues. I only tend to buy CDs when it's for a score I really admire or if I know I'll listen to the official presentation instead of a fan made one. Since some scores that I could buy have custom configurations I've gotten real used to, I'm less likely to buy an official set for those (though I could make exceptions). 2 hours ago, Koray Savas said: The infamous action motif! I've heard some comparisons with HGW's work on Metal Gear Solid 2, which I can hear from the one track I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Bootlegs are a piss-poor reason not to pay for an official release, IMO! Arpy and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 991 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 My thing is more that I'm one of those people that essentially only buys CDs as an item to display and occasionally look at after ripping them, given my general preference for digital music players, as well as not having much space around the room to get much disc sets. So I tend to get super picky about what I want to buy, especially if it's a set that is known for having issues. For example, I own the Superman Returns LLL set purely because of my admiration of the score, in spite of finding it basically unlistenable. Given how relatively new I am to this film score business, I am sure my thought process could change once I get more acquainted with the medium. Heck, I am considering grabbing the LLL Elfman Batman set in spite of having a custom for 89. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted April 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2021 I think when you enjoy a bootleg of a score, you should be MORE inclined to buy an official release of it, not less inclined. Even if you go back to listening to your bootleg version instead of the one a professional team put together legally, it's the right thing to do to support the artists who made the art you are enjoying, and the teams that will continue to work on other scores, including ones you may have long desired that doesn't have a bootleg BryonDavis, mstrox, Bryant Burnette and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, HunterTech said: I've heard some comparisons with HGW's work on Metal Gear Solid 2, which I can hear from the one track I know. No one seems to exactly who wrote it or when. It’s in Deep Blue Sea and I believe Children Of Dune? 2:10 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 54 minutes ago, Jay said: I think when you enjoy a bootleg of a score, you should be MORE inclined to buy an official release of it, not less inclined. Even if you go back to listening to your bootleg version instead of the ones a professional team put together legally, it's the right thing to do to support the artists who made the art you are enjoying, and teams that will continue to work on other scores, including ones you may have long desired that doesn't have a bootleg I've always bought official releases of boots. Obviously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EhTar 63 Posted April 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2021 And they are aleardy announced ! KNOWING (Beltrami) - The Deluxe Edition 2-CD: Original Motion Picture Score Marco Beltrami UPC: 888072236707 Release Date: 04/30/2021 $ 24.98 https://www.varesesarabande.com/collections/new-releases/products/marco-beltrami-knowing-the-deluxe-edition-2-cdhttps://intl.varesesarabande.com/collections/new-releases/products/marco-beltrami-knowing-the-deluxe-edition-2-cd Knowing was a hit when it was released in the spring of 2009, starring Nicolas Cage as an MIT astrophysics professor trying to decipher a prophecy of numbers that eerily predict worldwide disasters. Directed by Alex Proyas (The Crow), the film features Cage in a race against time with the entire human race at stake. Reuniting with Proyas from I, Robot was composer Marco Beltrami, who provided Knowing with a powerful score at turns suspenseful, terrifying, pulse-pounding and action-packed. Recorded with a large orchestra in Australia, the score also has poignant emotional moments and a grand scope befitting the film’s apocalyptic implications. Knowing was released by Varèse Sarabande as a single CD at the time of the film. This 2CD Deluxe Edition nearly doubles the playing time, and features new liner notes by Daniel Schweiger incorporating interviews with Beltrami and his co-composers, Buck Sanders and Marcus Trumpp. Limited Edition of 1500 Copies Disc 1 1. Summit / Escape Logo (0:34) 2. Lucy In The Sky (1:23) 3. Loopy Lucy (0:54) 4. Loopy Lucy Lost (1:38) 5. Main Titles (2:11) 6. Tiger Music (1:41) 7. Beethoven Symphony #7 2nd Movement (1:09) 8. Shit Happens (0:51) 9. The Envelope Please (2:04) 10. Nick At Night (1:04) 11. Numerology (3:38) 12. MIT Wit (0:44) 13. Strangers With Candy (1:48) 14. Waiting For Bad News (1:31) 15. Waiting For Bad News (1:49) 16. Lat And Long (3:28) 17. Not A Kid Anymore (1:54) 18. Drinking Buddies (1:04) 19. Moose On The Loose (2:19) 20. Tree Slugger (1:04) 21. Stalking The Waylands (1:23) 22. Creepy John (2:08) 23. Johnny Get Your Gun (1:21) 24. No News (0:33) 25. Nick To NY (4:05) 26. Nick To NY (0:33) 27. Off The Rails (1:07) 28. Crash Aftermath (1:29) 29. I Need To Know (3:37) 30. Trailer Music (3:26) 31. 33 (3:41) 32. Loud Mouth (3:07) Disc 2 1. Bedtime (1:57) 2. It's The Sun (2:43) 3. Suntastic (0:58) 4. Revelations By John (3:27) 5. Numbo Jumbo (0:36) 6. Door Jam (3:15) 7. Going Mental (1:25) 8. EMT (2:23) 9. Kidnapped (0:47) 10. Post-Partum (0:53) 11. Thataway! (2:10) 12. Goodbye Diana (0:56) 13. Shock And Awe (5:12) 14. Caleb Leaves (7:18) 15. Roll Over Beethoven 7th (1:31) 16. Who Wants An Apple? (1:33) 17. Eden (1:27) 18. The Knowing (1:32) 19. Roll Over Beethoven (5:53) 20. Aftermath (1:46) 21. Sunny Delight (2:59) 22. New World (3:07) LIONHEART (Goldsmith) THE DELUXE EDITION 2-CD Original Motion Picture Score Jerry Goldsmith UPC: 888072250079 Release Date: 04/30/2021 $ 24.98 https://www.varesesarabande.com/collections/new-releases/products/jerry-goldsmith-lionheart-the-deluxe-edition-2-cdhttps://intl.varesesarabande.com/collections/new-releases/products/jerry-goldsmith-lionheart-the-deluxe-edition-2-cd Jerry Goldsmith reinvented himself numerous times over his storied career, but one of his most popular periods was for the 1980s wave of large-scale symphonic scores. Lionheart (1987) came at the crest of this glorious period, and saw his rousing symphonic style—with glorious melodies, dazzling orchestrations, and synthesized embellishments—tackle a young-adult adventure in the Crusades. Lionheart marked Goldsmith’s final collaboration with his friend and most prolific director collaborator, Franklin Schaffner (Planet of the Apes, Patton, Islands in the Stream). The film starred Eric Stoltz as the leader of a Children’s Crusade of orphans against Gabriel Byrne as an evil Black Prince. Little-seen today, the project is perhaps best-known for Goldsmith’s magnificent score, which he recorded with the Hungarian State Symphony Orchestra; its stirring, noble main theme made its way into Goldsmith’s concert repertoire. Varèse Sarabande’s album producers in 1987 adored the Lionheart score so much that they released not one but two volumes of vinyl LPs. Most, but not all, of the tracks were released on a single CD compilation in 1994. Now, this 2CD Deluxe Edition presents the complete contents of both LPs, in film sequence, and adds two additional, previously unreleased cues. Because the new cues are sourced from reference material, they are labeled as “bonus tracks” at the end of a shorter-than-expected disc one, so as to remain in chronological order. The new liner notes are by Tim Greiving. Limited Edition of 1500 Copies Disc 1 1. The Castle (1:26) 2. The Ceremony (2:49) 3. Bring Him Back (2:39) 4. Failed Knight (3:21) 5. The Circus (3:07) 6. Robert And Blanche (3:49) 7. Bondage (1:51) 8. Black Prince (1:55) Disc 2 1. Children In Bondage (5:02) 2. The Future (1:58) 3. Gates Of Paris (2:09) 4. Paris Underground (4:09) 5. The Road From Paris (2:04) 6. The Banner / The New Court (5:58) 7. The Dress (2:23) 8. Mathilda (5:57) 9. The Plague (5:33) 10. Forest Hunt (7:45) 11. The Lake (3:37) 12. The Wrong Flag (3:16) 13. Final Fight (3:14) 14. King Richard / End Title (8:36) Chewy, eitam, Incanus and 3 others 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 All hopes now rest on LLL😔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, EhTar said: And they are aleardy announced ! Knowing - The Deluxe Edition 2-CDhttps://www.varesesarabande.com/collections/new-releases/products/marco-beltrami-knowing-the-deluxe-edition-2-cdhttps://intl.varesesarabande.com/collections/new-releases/products/marco-beltrami-knowing-the-deluxe-edition-2-cd Yes! I've always loved that score and will definitely be getting this one. No Williams titles here but I'm sure the LLL announcement will not disappoint us bruce marshall, Incanus and TSMefford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 A*C*O*C* Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,714 Posted April 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2021 Cool! I got both releases! Great to have Lionheart finally in my collection in this expanded form. I also have quite a bit of fondness for Beltrami's score for Knowing. Some parts strongly remind me of Williams War of the Worlds, especially the more kinetic action music (also obvious Herrmann references in the score as well). Jay, Yavar Moradi, Chewy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,006 Posted April 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2021 Both releases for me. Really good batch. I hope they will expand Gods of Egypt one day as well. This is the final Marco Beltrami score I need in comlete form. Karol EhTar, Yavar Moradi and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 23 minutes ago, Incanus said: Some parts strongly remind me of Williams War of the Worlds, especially the more kinetic action music (also obvious Herrmann references in the score as well). Even the cover art looks similar crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1500 copies haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, Unlucky Bastard said: 1500 copies haha There's only so many kooks out there!😝😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 A good batch indeed ! Knowing is my favourite Beltrami (love the mood and the amazing finale), and though I'm not familiar with Lionheart I know it's Goldsmith and it has a great theme, so yeah, I'm getting this Incanus and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Nobody has actually seen LIONHEART Like with INCHON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Nice clue image for Knowing! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Why is the first disc of Lionheart so short? At first glance I assumed it must be preserving an original release assembly, but no it says the tracks are in film order, not the order of the original LP releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 That explains why the DE of Lionheart disappeared from iTunes a while back Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Why is the first disc of Lionheart so short? At first glance I assumed it must be preserving an original release assembly, but no it says the tracks are in film order, not the order of the original LP releases. The blurb is very confusing. " Because the new cues are sourced from reference material, they are labeled as “bonus tracks” at the end of a shorter-than-expected disc one, so as to remain in chronological order." The tracks add up to about 82 minutes, so there had to be a disc split somewhere. From that quote, I think "Bondage" and "Black Prince" come from a different, worse source? And that's where they put the split so that they can be marked as "bonus tracks" at the end of a disc but still be chronological on the whole? But they are not marked as such in this online tracklist because... they are not. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 The OST is all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Unlucky Bastard said: The OST is all you need. Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Disco Stu said: Which one? There is only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Unlucky Bastard said: The OST is all I need. Well anyway. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I own these two albums: Looking at the track list, I'm only missing the tracks Bondage and Black Prince, which total less that 4 minutes. Unless the sound has been significantlly improved, I'm not sure if the this warrants the purchase. Anyone else in this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 The sound quality of the samples of the new release sounds very good to me. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 The most memorable musical moment in Knowing is the ending, with the Beethoven music while the world ends. Aside from that I don't remember much of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Intrigued by Knowing. I’m not usually a Beltrami guy; but I remember digging it when I saw the movie and I never got around to picking up the OST. May go for it. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 It's a know-nothing score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Wow. I am completely surprised by Knowing, but sure! Lol. I've also never heard Lionheart, but...sure! Why not? EDIT: Aaaaand.. Ordered! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EhTar 63 Posted April 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2021 Except for its very last scene, which sooo cheesy, Knowing is a brillant movie. And such is the score. One of the best from Mr Beltrami with Scream, Mimic, Hellboy and Gods of Egypt if you ask me. Ordered ! My copy of the 1994 edition of Lionheart was signed by Goldsmith in London, UK on March 5, 1999. So I'll keep it but I also ordered the new 2-CD set. Chewy, Incanus, TSMefford and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted April 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2021 I thought the film was surprisingly good up until the last handful of scenes as well. Among the “best” of Nic Cage’s aughts efforts. TSMefford, Chewy, EhTar and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, EhTar said: Except the very last seen of Knowing, which sooo cheesy, the film is brillant. And such is the score. One of the best from Mr Beltrami with Scream, Mimic, Hellboy and Gods of Egypt if you ask me. Ordered ! Agreed, it's one of my favorite Beltrami scores and I haven't heard it in a long time. Great opportunity to revisit it! 12 minutes ago, mstrox said: I thought the film was surprisingly good up until the last handful of scenes as well. Among the “best” of Nic Cage’s aughts efforts. Also agreed. Damn. Maybe I should rewatch it this weekend. It's been awhile! EhTar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Romão said: Looking at the track list, I'm only missing the tracks Bondage and Black Prince, which total less that 4 minutes. Unless the sound has been significantlly improved, I'm not sure if the this warrants the purchase. Anyone else in this situation? I have the 1 disc Volcano (Japanese Varese) release, which has almost everything from the previous two albums on one disc. I too was mainly hoping for improved sound, but since I only have Japanese liner notes, I figure this will be worth getting even if the sound stays the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,067 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, EhTar said: Except for its very last scene, which sooo cheesy, Knowing is a brillant movie. And such is the score. One of the best from Mr Beltrami with Scream, Mimic, Hellboy and Gods of Egypt if you ask me. Ordered ! Looks like The Fountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 8 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Nobody has actually seen LIONHEART Like with INCHON! I've seen both. And believe me Lionheart is much better than Inchon. There are actually a lot of hints of greatness about it; you can tell it had an assured director at the helm filming things, and Gabriel Byrne is really good as the villain. The worst thing is Eric Stoltz as the protagonist; he's terribly lame and sinks the movie (most of the other kid actors are pretty decent IMO). But budget cuts and (later) film cuts are what really sank this movie which otherwise would have been promising (you can absolutely see the hints of a really good movie in it), apart from that lead performance. 6 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Why is the first disc of Lionheart so short? At first glance I assumed it must be preserving an original release assembly, but no it says the tracks are in film order, not the order of the original LP releases. 6 hours ago, Holko said: The blurb is very confusing. " Because the new cues are sourced from reference material, they are labeled as “bonus tracks” at the end of a shorter-than-expected disc one, so as to remain in chronological order." The tracks add up to about 82 minutes, so there had to be a disc split somewhere. From that quote, I think "Bondage" and "Black Prince" come from a different, worse source? And that's where they put the split so that they can be marked as "bonus tracks" at the end of a disc but still be chronological on the whole? But they are not marked as such in this online tracklist because... they are not. The tracks actually add up to 83.5 minutes. I answered all your inquiries in the other thread, here: By the way, the album is *absolutely* worth getting for those two unreleased cues -- they are the whole introduction to the villainous Black Prince motif, and add a lot to the musical/thematic architecture of the score which otherwise first introduces the theme in "Children in Bondage" mixed with a lot of other material into an action cue. Also, those two unreleased cues play brilliantly when restored into the film scenes they were written for, and I'm working on a way for you all to see what I mean... Yavar EhTar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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