Wojo 2,453 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 It's still not well-understood by most people that the LOTR scores were the last truly BRILLIANT scores that were produce...eeeh composed. There have been some good scores after that, but nothing that can stand next to the great scores of the 20th century, without feeling a little bit ashamed.The scores were pompous bullshit elevated by an epic masterpiece of film.There was much better music from the decade than the deceptive crap that helped make LOTR patronizing to the senses.I don't know about that. I'll treasure the music to those films long after I've forgotten about the movies themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desplat13 1 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 "Cloverfield", anyone?Not that I think it is the best, I am just surprised it hasn't come up yet.For me, I think it would also have to be "Breaking of the Fellowship" from FotR. So. So. Beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I'll have to say "Across The Stars" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 For sheer entertainment value, I'd go with "Riding Contest (Butch Meets Sundance)" from Poledouris' The Legend of Butch and Sundance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,664 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 It's still not well-understood by most people that the LOTR scores were the last truly BRILLIANT scores that were produce...eeeh composed. There have been some good scores after that, but nothing that can stand next to the great scores of the 20th century, without feeling a little bit ashamed.The scores were pompous bullshit elevated by an epic masterpiece of film.There was much better music from the decade than the deceptive crap that helped make LOTR patronizing to the senses.And yet they got a generation of teenagers into film music, me included.Sugar free: don't crap all over my nostalgia asshole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 "Cloverfield", anyone?Not that I think it is the best, I am just surprised it hasn't come up yet.Sure. Not THE best, but it deserves to be in the discussion.Lots of good candidates here, and any of the best cues from LotR are definately worthy. I'll throw in a couple of Williams' that I haven't seen mentioned yet: The Quidditch Match (HP:SS), and Lament (RotS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Speaking of LotR: Prologue: One Ring To Rule Them All and Caras Galadhon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Probably general grievous from ROTS. I think it's Williams best action cue ever. Brutal and aggressive. Complicated. And highly rhythmic.I'd say it's one of his best easily, possibly the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm going to say "The Fellowship Reunited" from Return of the King. It just beats out "Breaking of the Fellowship", very narrowly. It very neatly concludes some of the thematic material for the trilogy; there's some lovely statements of the Gondor theme, the reuniting of Aragorn and Arwen and of course one of my favourite moments from the film - the gorgeous Hobbit theme soaring on strings as the entire kingdom bows to the four Hobbits atop Minas Tirith. I get shivers just thinking about that one.Edit - seems like I already posted on the previous page. Must've been drunk when I wrote it. Explains why I woke up the other day with my iPod blaring in my ears with "Breaking of the Fellowship" on repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 My vote would go to The Breaking Of The Fellowship from LOTR: FOTR.As soon as I read the thread title that was the first thing that came into my mind.Same here.The most influential was without a doubt He's A Pirate. Which leaves the conclusion that artistry and public success were never more of a polar opposite.The Fellowship Reunited is a brilliant piece of music, but in contrast to Breaking Of The Fellowship, the thematic material doesn't flow as well. Simply because more themes of different colours had to be connected. Shore did it brilliantly, but BotF just has a better flow to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Concerning Hobbits is another highlight. A piece if music whose playful tone better suits the subject than Williams bombastic wizardry for the shy little bespectacled lad from little England, who turns out to be a wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'd have a hard time choosing just one cue from the LOTR series.It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 The Siege of Gondor from ROTK CR is my favourite! its sensational! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 In fact; I consider Shore's scores to be some of the finest film music EVER written.Shame he was just a one (three...hopefully five) hit wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I will say there is more to Howard Shore than LOTR.I think he prefers smaller projects as opposed to blockbusters. The man has composed some wonderful music, The Fly, The Cell and Silence of The Lambs, to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 He certainly does not have a typical "Hollywood Blockbuster" style.When he was announced for LOTR, was I the only one thinking, WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 No I think it caught me off guard too, but I was optimistic because I had some of his music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Oh I was certainly surprised, but not in a negative way.I was just wondering why they hired a composer specialised in psycho thrillers. Hitch's response was:OH NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I almost forgot about Goldsmith's Soarin'. It's awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I was as surprised by Shore as I was by Jackson.Initially I was terribly dismayed by their 'appointment', but how wrong I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I was as surprised by Shore as I was by Jackson.Initially I was terribly dismayed by their 'appointment', but how wrong I was.Same here. Even though I was a PJ fan through his splatter flicks, I thought it would be a disaster, but it turned out glorious.It's not a best track, as it's bookended by decades-old material, but the full-blown suite version of Shinzon's Theme from STAR TREK NEMESIS is amazing. But I suppose that would be in best themes of the decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 In fact; I consider Shore's scores to be some of the finest film music EVER written.Shame he was just a one (three...hopefully five) hit wonder.Give me the Shore that excels in thrillers over LOTR any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Why exactly is Howard Shore a "three hit wonder"? I think that's a bit insulting, considering that the cinematic world doesn't only consist of multimillion popcorn films. He has outstanding sensibilities for certain genres, and he continues to showcase them in highly acclaimed movies (excluding Twilight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Why exclude Twilight? Are you just going to assume the score will suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Shore can write good movie. But he will always be remembered only for LOTR. Most people didn knew him before that and most people dont talk about his other projects after.I'm talking non-film score fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Why exclude Twilight? Are you just going to assume the score will suck?He said highly acclaimed movies.I loved Shore before LOTR, particularly THE FLY, SE7EN and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, and he's done excellent work since, such as the amazing EASTERN PROMISES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Koray, the score for Twilight doesn't exist yet, so it doesn't count. Don't get excited.Shore will also be remembered for his musical work on Saturday Night Live, which he did long before LOTR. And while we're on the subject, he named The Blues Brothers. That alone is memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I loved Shore before LOTR, particularly THE FLY, SE7EN and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBSExactly. It's not like he was a nobody before LOTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Shore can write good movie. But he will always be remembered only for LOTR. Most people didn knew him before that and most people dont talk about his other projects after.I'm talking non-film score fans.'Most people' don't even know who John Williams is.How does that make you feel?Me personally? I think your livin' on another planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm not very familiar with Shore's non-LotR works, but I do love his score to Ed Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I loved Shore before LOTR, particularly THE FLY, SE7EN and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBSExactly. It's not like he was a nobody before LOTR.he definately was no goldsmith, williams, herrmann, north, rozsa, horner, elfman, bernstein, silvestri, zimmer ( )...You get the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I loved Shore before LOTR, particularly THE FLY, SE7EN and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBSExactly. It's not like he was a nobody before LOTR.he definately was no goldsmith, williams, herrmann, north, rozsa, horner, elfman, bernstein, silvestri, zimmer ( )...You get the picture.I'm not sure I do. The average person on the street won't have a clue who any of those people are save for maybe Williams and Zimmer because they have a copy of Harry Potter and Gladiator. If you take a poll of ten random people in a cinema foyer, how many of them are really going to know who Miklos Rozsa or Alex North are?And he's a better composer than at least three people on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I loved Shore before LOTR, particularly THE FLY, SE7EN and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBSExactly. It's not like he was a nobody before LOTR.he definately was no goldsmith, williams, herrmann, north, rozsa, horner, elfman, bernstein, silvestri, zimmer ( )...You get the picture.I'm not sure I do. The average person on the street won't have a clue who any of those people are save for maybe Williams and Zimmer because they have a copy of Harry Potter and Gladiator. If you take a poll of ten random people in a cinema foyer, how many of them are really going to know who Miklos Rozsa or Alex North are?And he's a better composer than at least three people on that list.I was not talking about popularity here (i mean im not answering Quint's post) but Marian's which talks about Shore being 'no nobody' regarding a film composition career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 Shore was definatly NOT a nobody prior to LOTR.He scored some very succesfull or reputable films.Se7enSilence Of The LambsEd WoodPhilidelphiaMrs. DoubtfireSingle White FemaleStripteaseAnalyse ThisThe ScoreScannersShe-DevilThe CellThe FlyAfter HoursVideodromeHe certainly was a known name in film music, and the "to go to guy" for horror/thriller/psychological stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Are you telling me he was in the same league as the other composers i mentioned?I'm not saying he was a complete nobody, just that he was not one of the A list composers.But well to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 Your list is stupid.How is Silvestri in the same league with Herrmann? How is Zimmer in the same league as Rosza?Is Zimmer really a better composer then Howard Shore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It's not that hard trying to understand what i'm want to say.You won. I'm leaving this thread for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,488 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Damn, I just can't get into Harry's Wondrous WorldI see where you are coming from, Quint. I prefer both "The Chamber Of Secrets", and "Fawkes The Phoenix".Your list is stupid.How is Silvestri in the same league with Herrmann? How is Zimmer in the same league as Rosza?Is Zimmer really a better composer then Howard Shore?Does it honestly matter who is "better" than who? I like the music of J.W; he is my favourite composer, and nothing will change that, but I also like Goldsmith, Barry, Horner, Shore, Herrmann, Rosza, Walton, Vaughan Williams, Prokofiev, Tiompkin, Silvestri, Bernstein (both of 'em) etc., etc. It all comes down to personal opinion, and no-one can - no-one should - take that away from anyone. If someone says that Silvestri is in the same league as Herrmann, what they are saying is that they enjoy the music of the former, as much as the music of the latter. I believe that there is no shame in that, and that there should be no snobbery in the assessment of personal taste. As (I believe) Quincy Jones once said: "All music is just 12 notes: it's either beautiful, or it ain't". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Lots of good candidates here, and any of the best cues from LotR are definately worthy. I'll throw in a couple of Williams' that I haven't seen mentioned yet: The Quidditch Match (HP:SS), and Lament (RotS).I'll give a shout out to Battle of the Heroes. One of my favorites from probably my favorite score of the decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I've never heard a Shore score that I felt worth owning. I almost bought Lotr Fotr once and then I decided to save my money.They are not bad by any means but nothing I desire. I watched Silence of the Lambs today and the score works in it well. It sounds like a dreary day which fits the picture.Hand of Fate is my absolute favorite track of the last 10 years. Hedwigs theme is a close 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Shore will also be remembered for his musical work on Saturday Night Live, which he did long before LOTR. And while we're on the subject, he named The Blues Brothers. That alone is memorable.He also composed Conan's Late Night theme that was carried over to The Tonight Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Really? I never knew that. My own personal Shore scores are Ed Wood and The Aviator, very different approaches to musically characterize a protagonist's inner world. 'Icarus' is certainly one of my top-10 tracks of the decade (The first flying cue is very close, too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Shore will also be remembered for his musical work on Saturday Night Live, which he did long before LOTR. And while we're on the subject, he named The Blues Brothers. That alone is memorable.He also composed Conan's Late Night theme that was carried over to The Tonight Show.Whoa!!!! I didn't know that, but I absolutely love that theme!Has it ever been released? I'd love to own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Why exclude Twilight? Are you just going to assume the score will suck?The suggestion was that Howard Shore isn't remembered by the public because he didn't write music for good movies; and I said he wrote music for a lot of acclaimed films, excluding Twilight, since I think Twilight is a pile of poop.Shore can write good movie. But he will always be remembered only for LOTR. Most people didn knew him before that and most people dont talk about his other projects after.I'm talking non-film score fans.Yeah, right, like non-film score fans know the name John Williams. I recently played LOTR to a few friends of mine, and they loved it; and guess what, they had no clue who John Williams was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Probably general grievous from ROTS. I think it's Williams best action cue ever. That's a bold statement.It's his most rhythmic and energetic action cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,034 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Yeah, right, like non-film score fans know the name John Williams. I recently played LOTR to a few friends of mine, and they loved it; and guess what, they had no clue who John Williams was.Well that's a non sequitor. Did those friends of yours immediately say, "That must have been Howard Shore...he always writes the most amazing music!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Point taken I guess I just want to say even though Williams' music may be better known by the public (since he was befriended with more mainstream directors), Shore's output isn't any less effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Hmmm, I can't choose between:Married Life from UpRoar! from CloverfieldEnterprising Young Men from Star TrekEnd Credits from Star TrekMain Titles from Spider-Man 3The Jungle Chase (complete) from Indiana Jones 4Harry's Wondrous World from Harry Potter 1Fawkes The Phoenix from Harry Potter 2The Chamber Of Secrets from Harry Potter 2Love Pledge and The Arena from Attack of The Clonesand a bunch of tracks from the 6 Lord Of The Rings releases, but especially:Concerning HobbitsThe Great RiverThe Bridge Of Khazad-DumThe Breaking Of The Fellowship aka The Road Goes Ever On... (Part 1)The Three HuntersForth EorlingasSamwise The BraveRoots and BeginningsThe Lighting Of The BeaconA Far Green CountryAnd there are so many other great LOTR moments that are buried in the middle of long tracks that aren't amazing all the way through..... the crowd bowing before the hobbits at the end of ROTK, some great Rohan theme and White Rider theme variations, "I can't carry the ring for you, but I can carry you", the deliciously evil variations on the orc and uruk themes from one of the mount doom tracks (The Land Of Shadow I think), the Nazgul theme, the first big version of the fellowship theme as they pass by the camera going up the hill one by one, the seduction of the ring theme, Gandalf and Pippin's arrival at Gondor, the choral version of the fellowship theme, etc). In fact even "The Lighting Of The Beacon" probably doesn't deserve to be on there because it meanders so much before getting to the amazing lighting sequence (in either OST or CR form), but the lighting music is just so good...Anyways, this isn't a LOTR thread. The point is, its incredibly hard to narrow a decade down to just one best track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 It's not incredibly hard. It's impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 I feel like no one brings up The Aviator except Morlock and I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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