Diego 21 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Samples hereI really like what I'm hearing, between this and the Wolfman, this will be Elfman's year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Nice find! These sound great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Very Elfman, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It might be a nice album to listen to am I the only one thinking this is probably a step back? Judging from the clips it sounds exactly like you thought it would. Which is kind of worrying...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It sounds like the Elfman I know and love - so I'm not complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,672 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 These sound really good so far. Not nearly as wacky as I thought Elfman might go. If the whole album's like this it's a definite buy.Does Little Alice remind anyone of "Building the Raft" from Journey to the Center of the Earth?And Alice's Theme reminds me of the solo theme in Avatar.But in a good way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I'm not a fan of the lyrics for Alice's Theme. What is this, an old Spaghetti western? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Am I the only one here who couldn't care less about this movie?Haven't listened to the samples, but I should imagine they sound a bit like Beetlejuice and a bit like Edward Scissorhands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I'm with you, Quint, I think this movie looks absolutely horrendous. Still, I'm curious about Elfman's score, as I always am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 As a not very big fan of Burton at all, I have no interest either. Elfman's music is really the only thing that vaguely intrigues me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Loving the main theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Am I the only one here who couldn't care less about this movie?No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Am I the only one here who couldn't care less about this movie?No.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It does remain to be seen if making this a sequel of sorts to the original story, rather than a straight up re-telling, will be a unique spin.I guess this means that Tweedledee, Tweedledum, and the Mad Hatter won't be villains in upcoming Batman movies, thanks to their presentation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 The samples sound promising.Still, there are way too many of those chopping string flourishes. I like them, but I fear it's overdone this time.And I'm sure I've heard Alice's theme already somewhere else ... I can't put my finger on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,174 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 This may be the first Burton film ever I'm really looking forward to. And I hope Elfman's score will be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 So there we have another The Final Confrontation cue that we can add to the list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 The various artists album looks interesting as wellhttp://disneymusic.disney.go.com/albums/almostalice.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 And I'm sure I've heard Alice's theme already somewhere else ... I can't put my finger on it.It has some reminiscences of Elfman's Black Beauty main theme, imho. But it's just a hint.However, the clips sound absolutely gorgeous and promising. This looks like one of Elfman's major works ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I wonder if the OST is complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It might be a nice album to listen to am I the only one thinking this is probably a step back? Judging from the clips it sounds exactly like you thought it would. Which is kind of worrying...KarolThat can pretty much be said about the entire project. For a Burton movie, it's all so... typical. But still, I like what I hear with the score. Elfman sounds like he is totally on his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 It might be a nice album to listen to am I the only one thinking this is probably a step back? Judging from the clips it sounds exactly like you thought it would. Which is kind of worrying...KarolUnfortunately, I agree. I feel bad for saying this, as they are best friends and partners, but I think Danny Elfman should stop working with Tim Burton (or perhaps Tim Burton should choose projects more challenging to him on an artistic level). It is hard to say as this is their first collaboration in five years, but -and I do say this as a Tim Burton fan- it sounds to me that his films as of late are leaving Danny Elfman in a self-derivative "rut", so to speak (I do love Corpse Bride, though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Well Sweeney Todd was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 It was okay, but it wasn't exactly challenging. BIG FISH was the last movie where Burton stepped out of his comfort zone, and it turned out to be probably his best movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I still think Beetlejuice is his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 It's definitely up there, he hasn't really been able to recapture the manic energy from that one. SCISSORHANDS is great, but the middle doesn't work that much for me, and I'm more emotionally invested in Vincent Price than I am Johnny Depp and Winona's ridiculous blonde wig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacck 23 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Elfman's entire style has always had that 'wonderland' feel about it. Especially when it comes to him collaborating with Tim Burton. I didn't expect that it would, or even should be stylistically much different from his other wonderland scores, and in a way I'm glad that it isn't.For me, the clips sound absolutely brilliant. I didn't have what I would probably consider 'unrealistic' expectations of what it might be stylistically, so I'm not disappointed. Why shouldn't Elfman have done what he does best for a film that is so well suited to that style. All I really expected was for it to be well crafted, with lots of magic, energy, and a memorable theme. I already have that theme stuck in my head... Elfman's clever melodic writing and memorable, unique harmonic progressions have always been one of the strong points of his writing.So I guess it depends on what you expect as to how much enjoyment you'll get out of the score. If you're expecting Elfman to completely reinvent himself and take a contemporary approach, as opposed to a 'traditional' approach on a film that is a perfect opportunity for Elfman to demonstrate his wonderland style of scoring, mastered and nearing perfection, then you're probably going to be disappointed.It sounds like Elfman has really mastered getting the orchestration to sound very polished and Hollywood now. It's nice to hear. That alone, coupled with his own style and themes will, I suspect, make it a very enjoyable score for me. When it all comes together it seems to have such a genuine child-like energy, an excitement and sense of massive adventure that's all very exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Winona's ridiculous blonde wig.I frankly just do not like you, between your comments against Batman Returns in another thread and now Winona in this thread. Damn it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Won't be seeing this in an Odeon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Yeah, AMC is currently threatening to not show the film. Like that's gonna happen, we're the worst bluffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Why isn't Alice in any of the ads I'm seeing? All I see is Johnny Depp, the Queen and a bunch of CGI shit. Is Alice's role going to be the equivalent of Batman in the Tim Burton movies, where the supporting characters receive more dialogue and screen time? Surely, the movie is called Alice in Wonderland. But the ads would lead you to believe it should be called The Mad Hatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Well you have a movie starring Johnny Depp. Why would you not advertise the shit out of him? He only has a minor role in the actual film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Personally, I despise Alice In Wonderland in all its forms -- it's one of my least favorite Disney animated movies, the books are annoying, and this new movie looks absolutely awful. I'd be surprised if I'm able to get all the way through it.This despite being a fan of all of Burton's movies not titled Planet of the Apes.My fear is that it's going to bring out all the worst tendencies toward being overbearing that he's (barely) kept in check throughout his career.And Depp looks terrible. I've got at least two friends that would cut my throat for saying that, but I'm sticking by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 My fear is that it's going to bring out all the worst tendencies toward being overbearing that he's (barely) kept in check throughout his career.Ah yes, the George Lucas effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Personally, I despise Alice In Wonderland in all its forms -- it's one of my least favorite Disney animated movies, the books are annoying, and this new movie looks absolutely awful. I'd be surprised if I'm able to get all the way through it.This despite being a fan of all of Burton's movies not titled Planet of the Apes.My fear is that it's going to bring out all the worst tendencies toward being overbearing that he's (barely) kept in check throughout his career.And Depp looks terrible. I've got at least two friends that would cut my throat for saying that, but I'm sticking by it.I completely agree, but I'm somehow still going to see it and I already pre-ordered the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I don't even know what the story is about.It looks very confusing even to a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I've heard minor ramblings that it's actually a sequel and not the original story. I wouldn't be surprised considering what Planet Of The Apes was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 That would also explain why the Queen says "Alice has returned to Wonderland" in a trailer. Or was that also in the original story?indy4 - who can't wait to see this film, but thinks it might fall into the Batman/Beetlejuice/Sleepy Hollow "style over substance" category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It is a sort of sequel, which makes the title all the more confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Sorry to burst your bubble Koray, but Johnny Depp actually has a major role in the film - he acts as Alice's guide through Underland (the actual name of Wonderland). From the start to the end he's by her side, that's why they're advertising the shit out of him. Speaking of Depp, Ian McShane is in negotiations to play Blackbeard in Pirates 4: On Stranger Tides. With McShane, Depp, Penelope Cruz and Geoffrey Rush on board sans Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley this movie may not be completely unjustified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Do i hear the Penguin theme from "batman returns" in Finding Absolem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 These sound really good so far. Not nearly as wacky as I thought Elfman might go. If the whole album's like this it's a definite buy.Does Little Alice remind anyone of "Building the Raft" from Journey to the Center of the Earth?And Alice's Theme reminds me of the solo theme in Avatar.But in a good way If it doesn't, it should, as Elfman is the top Herrmann emulator around today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Wait, so the new Alice In Wonderland film is based on the "Through The Looking Glass" book, and not the "Alice In Wonderland" book? Or its an original sequel to both stories?EDIT: Just looked it up on wikipedia. It's a sequel set 10 years after the 2 booksIn this extension of Lewis Carroll's original stories, Alice Kingsley, now 19, attends a party at a Victorian estate shortly after the death of her beloved father. The formal affair, unbeknownst to Alice, is an engagement party planned by her mother and sister. Just as the arrogant and boorish Lord Hamish Ascot proposes to Alice under a gazebo and before the eyes of hundreds of snooty society-types, Alice spots a white rabbit wearing a waistcoat and pocket watch. In shock and confusion, she runs off into a maze and follows the White Rabbit through it. She eventually tumbles down a rabbit hole into Underland, more commonly referred to as "Wonderland" by its inhabitants. She had visited this place 10 years earlier, but had entirely forgotten about it. She then reunites with her childhood friends, including the Mad Hatter, who explains to Alice that they need her help in over-throwing the Red Queen, who has taken control of Wonderland from her benevolent sister, the White Queen. Alice is also told that she is the only one who can slay the Jabberwock, the dragon who terrorizes the inhabitants of Wonderland under the rule of the Red Queen. Alice then embarks on an adventure of self-discovery in the process of saving Wonderland and her friends there from both the Jabberwock and the Red Queen's reign of terror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Sounds like Return to Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 That makes sense. L. Frank Baum himself admitted (in The Annotated Wizard of Oz, 1973) that Carroll's protagonist influenced his decision to make Dorothy Gale a young girl.So as the original stories are similar enough, so too will be any sequels revolving around the protagonist returning to the fantasy world after some years of absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It'd be nice if Alice's score is half as good as Oz's (which is in serious need of a reissue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It'd be nice if Alice's score is half as good as Oz's (which is in serious need of a reissue).Who was scoring it? David Shire?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It'd be nice if Alice's score is half as good as Oz's (which is in serious need of a reissue).Who was scoring it? David Shire?KarolYep. I'd be hesitant to say it's uncharacteristic of Shire, as I haven't heard much of his stuff outside his thriller scores, but it's lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Return To Oz was indeed scored by David Shire. Regarding Alice In Wonderland, looks pretty cool but I may wait for it come out on Blu-Ray to check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 For those interested, you can get Alice's Theme free on Amazon MP3. I don't know for how long though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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