Diego 21 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 and another thread turns into a random Prequel bashing festIt started with the suggested stupid idea that it the duel in Star Wars was lame, so it actually started with OT bashing. Yeah it's really sad they couldn't replace Alec Guinness with CGI on those days. If only the OT had more CGI Terminators twirling four sabers at the same time, cause that really makes for good action and drama! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Yeah, because it's totally OT bashing to claim that that one element of one type of scene in some of the OT is inferior to one element of one type of scene in some of the PT. I'm digging the CGI strawman, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 It is when it's completely false, the Star Wars duel is superior to any prequel duel, because it's real, not an acrobatic dance and because it's about something, it's about revenge and sacrifice not like in the prequels where it is "oh, you're the bad guy for this movie right?, guess we'll have to fight, so how many sabers can you twirl at the same time?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Wait, just gotta make sure I understand this properly - any criticism of any aspect of any part of any of the original films, even when tempered by considerable love for every other aspect of said film, is OT bashing if you disagree with it? Mk, duly noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 From my point of view (a certain point of view), it wasn't the argument in question, it's that KM immediately accused everyone of prequel bashing when we were legitimately responding to a debate that had been raised. A hyperbolic statement deserved a hyperbolic response. That was my point anyway.Maybe there should just be one big SW debate thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 No, the OT has flaws, you can bash the Ewoks for example, you could say that Luke's behaivor is a bit strange in SW, the duel however is not one of those flaws, and even if it was so lame, there's no way the Prequel ones are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 The entire Star Wars saga is, and always has been, utter crap. The same goes for anyone who has ever liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I never thought I'd say this, but from a post-prequel standpoint, Vader and Ben's duel actually makes wonderful sense. Kenobi knows he should have killed Vader when he had the chance. The shock of seeing what his apprentice had become and done had been too much for him to actually kill the dismembered torso on Mustafar, but Kenobi spent twenty years with that shock turning to grief and regret as Vader killed millions under the banner of the Empire. And Vader spent much of that time searching for Kenobi, to satisfy the personal vendetta from his loss of limbs as well as knowing Kenobi to be a key to find other hidden Jedi.And so after twenty years of searching, Obi-Wan Kenobi willingly shows up in the last place Vader ever thought he would find him: the Death Star. Exposed on an Imperial battle station, not hiding under some distant rock. This piques Vader's curiosity. What is Kenobi doing there? What's he hiding? He came with passengers, who are they and why did he risk his life to deactivate the tractor beam? These questions cloud Vader's brain and prevent him from killing Obi-Wan outright, and as Kenobi taunts him, Vader becomes more curious and more frustrated. And since Kenobi won't give up his secrets, Vader attempts to finally cut his old teacher down, but only sends him to the astral plane of Force consciousness.Wow. Nice read Wojo, thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 And that's just Lucas what had in his mind all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 The rotating lazer doors are actually one of the good things about TPM. They make for a great suspense device.Except that Obi Wan should have been able to force-sprint through them. It seems Jedi can only do that when it's least convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 The rotating lazer doors are actually one of the good things about TPM. They make for a great suspense device.Except that Obi Wan should have been able to force-sprint through them. It seems Jedi can only do that when it's least convenient.It's all because he did the twirly thing with his lightsaber. Flashy bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I saw that a little while ago, pretty funny lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Hahaha, I'd forgotten about that. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 The rotating lazer doors are actually one of the good things about TPM. They make for a great suspense device.Except that Obi Wan should have been able to force-sprint through them. It seems Jedi can only do that when it's least convenient.It's all because he did the twirly thing with his lightsaber. Flashy bastard.I must admit that I wasn't paying attention at the beginning of the movie, when QGJ and Obi-Wan Force run away from the droids off the right edge of the screen, or I just never thought that was important. They left this group of droids to go fight another.But the reason that Obi-Wan doesn't run through the laser doors is because the script wouldn't let him. Contrived manufactured storytelling. The Jedi had to be separated so that Darth Maul could kill QGJ.Now how would Lucas explain it? He would give some lame ass excuse that Obi-Wan mentally calculated the distance he would have to cover, the acceleration required, and the distance needed to keep him from sailing into the bottomless ravine. And the doors would be in his way of slowing down, which would either block him on both sides or slice him into pieces. Though jumping clear to the other side to flank Maul would have been so sweet.This is another reason the duel in TPM is so ridiculous. What does a pastoral planet like Naboo need with a massive out-of-place power generation station that serves as the setting for the duel? Why do the light tubes extend forever in both directions? Why are there laser doors? Where's the failsafe switch to open them?I know, IT LOOKS COOL. Sorry, George, a gold-dipped turd still smells like shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 My head just nearly exploded. I'd not seen that before, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 In all fairness, some of the ESB and ROTJ duel locations are slightly silly and random, too. Why does each one need a huge, bottomless pit? Well, so that Luke and the Emperor will have somewhere to fall. That simple. But two wrongs don't make a right; I'm not trying to justify the ridiculous (if visually enticing) setting in TPM. Just pointing out another minor chink in the otherwise VERY strong armor of the original trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Technically, both pits had bottoms... <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I know...I debated mentioning that, but I didn't want to clutter my post. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 For chris sake. critisize the plot, acting, directing, etc of the prequels...But not this, because the OT is also plagued with convenient cool plot devices. Tractor beam, Death star ventilation shaft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 and nobody ever brushes their teeth or does the ironing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Technically, both pits had bottoms... <_<I had four paragraphs of typical Wojo verbosity...and then thought better of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Death star ventilation shaft..."Couldn't we just put a board over it or something?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Is one better than the other? Maybe, but the Main Title from "Superman" beats the living crap out of both of them!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 It just might do and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 How 'bout that Raiders March? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,449 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 How 'bout that Raiders March?An excellent choice, mien herr, but, IMO, "Superman" has more emotion, more soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 On any given day I could tell you that either the Main Titles from Superman, Raiders march, "Flying from E.T., Star Wars Main Title, "Princess Leia's Theme", Main Titles from The Towering Inferno, "Love Theme from Superman, Theme from Jaws and "The Love Theme" from Jane Eyre is Williams' best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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