Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Really? I tried using the invert method to try to mix out "Star Trek" and get a clean opening to the portion of "Narada Bing" on there and it didn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Yeah, unfortunately, there's a slight discrepancy between the speeds or something. But that's only noticeable when you try to cancel out the tracks, which really requires the two signals to be absolutely 100% identical. Whatever ever-so-slight differences exist here are not enough to impact the sound quality in any way that the human ear can detect. If you want proof, put both copies of "Star Trek" or "Enterprising Young Men" into a playlist, hide the track times and album titles, hit shuffle, and hit play. Make note of which release you think it is, then see if you were right. Hit shuffle again, and do it again. And again. And again. Like, 20 or 30 times. I can guarantee none of us will be able to get much more than half of them right.In fact, just because I can...I'm gonna try it. EDIT: Bah, not even gonna bother. I started to do it, but I couldn't hear the slightest difference (except perhaps in volume level), and I knew I'd just be guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I don't know if it was asked already, but now that we have The Deluxe Edition, is there any reason to keep the OST? Are there any tracks that differ between the releases? I still have the OST on my iPod, but am considering unloading the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Keep the OST. The differences are few and subtle, but they're there:* "Star Trek" has a clean ending on the OST.* "Nailin' the Kelvin" and "Labor of Love" have their full ending and beginning on the OST.* "Hella Bar Talk" has the horn solo and less percussion on the OST.* "Nero Fiddles, Narada Burns" has a clean ending on the OST.That's all I can think of at the moment. Again, not a big deal at all, but the OST is definitely not 100% obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 So, finally got my CD too... did anyone else feel reminded of the Indiana Jones box? I mean, plenty of pretty pics, almost no text? Anyway, I like the score... and am glad I never bought the OST (nor do I think these subtle differences mentioned above would make me feel different about this). I'm still not quite sure about the main theme, but the music overall is very enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 The main theme has grown on me a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 The blend of the main theme with the cadet's theme in "Trekking Down The Narada" is marvelous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Is that Courage's theme making a cameo at the tail end of Hangar Management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Keep the OST. The differences are few and subtle, but they're there:* "Star Trek" has a clean ending on the OST.* "Nailin' the Kelvin" and "Labor of Love" have their full ending and beginning on the OST.* "Hella Bar Talk" has the horn solo and less percussion on the OST.* "Nero Fiddles, Narada Burns" has a clean ending on the OST.That's all I can think of at the moment. Again, not a big deal at all, but the OST is definitely not 100% obsolete.Data is right. I should point out that all of this is pointed out in my threadIs that Courage's theme making a cameo at the tail end of Hangar Management?Yup! Something also pointed out in my thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I must not be paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I was wondering who coined the term "footwarmer." Wojo, you may become part of film music history. Or at least JWFan history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Blume- just out of curiosity, do you think this release has a better mix than the OST? Sounds a bit fuller to me.Ahhh it still frustrates me John. There are tracks that certainly sound full and rich, but overall there is something too anemic about most of it. Instruments that should be sounding full come across as flat, dry, and without any dynamics. There is little interaction or life to it, very clinical. Compare the opening brass hits of "The Riker Maneuver" from Insurrection with the opening of "Nero Sighted".Another comparison is "Open The Gates" (especially around 2:20, the clarity of the brass mmm mmm mm) from ST:V vs. "Chutes and Matter."Chutes and Matter just sounds meh....and on top of that very messy. Because for some reason Mr. Giacchino does not believe in instrument separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 For the hell of it I briefly skimmed over Clemmen's review of the 2-CD set for Star Trek and something towards the end caught my eye."The additional music on this $30 2-CD set quenches some fans' thirst for key missing cues (including more erhu/Vulcan moments on the first CD), but doesn't offer much to change a person's opinion about the entire work."Can we remove this idiot from the gene pool please? I've all ready read some comments where people have said they like the score now more than when the OST came out because of the previously unreleased material. I swear this guy is a bit of a tool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 That's his opinion, it's not like he's forcing it on anybody or treating it like fact. I see nothing wrong with that excerpt.Can we remove this idiot from the gene pool please? You want to kill him?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Clemmy has some peculiar standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Clemmy has some peculiar standards.That he does...Wojo,By the way, with what you're hearing in terms of quality for the score is probably with how Giacchino divided up the orchestra. I thought I read on FSM that Giacchino put up walls between each section of players, similar to what Michael Kamen did for good portion of his scores. Goldsmith (never did that), Williams, Elfman, Arnold and quite a few other composers don't do that, so that's why their scores sound more lush and fuller compared to Giacchino's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 That's his opinion, it's not like he's forcing it on anybody or treating it like fact. I see nothing wrong with that excerpt.Can we remove this idiot from the gene pool please? You want to kill him?! Not neccesarily... just sterilise him will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Wojo,By the way, with what you're hearing in terms of quality for the score is probably with how Giacchino divided up the orchestra. I thought I read on FSM that Giacchino put up walls between each section of players, similar to what Michael Kamen did for good portion of his scores. Goldsmith (never did that), Williams, Elfman, Arnold and quite a few other composers don't do that, so that's why their scores sound more lush and fuller compared to Giacchino's.Thanks for answering a question I never asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 By the way, with what you're hearing in terms of quality for the score is probably with how Giacchino divided up the orchestra. I thought I read on FSM that Giacchino put up walls between each section of players, similar to what Michael Kamen did for good portion of his scores. Goldsmith (never did that), Williams, Elfman, Arnold and quite a few other composers don't do that, so that's why their scores sound more lush and fuller compared to Giacchino's.That explains why his music sounds like you're speaking into cupped hands held 2 inches from your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 What Trent said has zero to do with the sound quality, actually. The iso booths were simply so that they had clean recordings of the different instrument sections for ease in mixing or creating new cues based on the brass from one cue and the percussion from another, etc.The reason the sound quality is the way it is is because the sound engineer placed the mics too close to the instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 But it also supresses and affects the sound waves interaction with the studios space which sucks the life out of the sound. So it does affect the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Ahhh, that makes sense.If you look at the pictures, not everyone was isolatedhttp://www.scoringse...sessions/24544/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 It simulates the electronic, empty sounding music of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 If they had to isolate sections for the mixing the way they did, then having the mics too close may have been necessitated by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 That makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Oh right sorry Wojo, I thought it was you who mentioned something about the sound quality. Forgot until now that it was Blumenkohl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 It'd be funny if Wojo and Blumenkohl were the same poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Oops sorry I meant to post that as Blumenkohl. I was logged in as Wojo and forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 just want to mention that the finished back cover is in the covers thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,127 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 D'ya think the sound engineers are objective enough to listen to the final product for Star Trek and say, "Ewww... that sounds like a wet blanket."? It really is a bland recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Giacchinos mixer is a relic from ye olde times. Don't think he can hear anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Giacchino is the next Williams :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Yup, down to the useless old fart who mixes his albums.I take that back, Shawn Murphy has done some great mixing, and some really bad ones. He's hit and miss, but at least he has really good hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Star Trek sounds fine on my stereo system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Oops sorry I meant to post that as Blumenkohl. I was logged in as Wojo and forgot.At least you're still trying, Joe never logs in as Ren anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 I'm Spartacus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That's not true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 The new release solves some of the score's problems go and it feels better now. The main theme is not so ever-present all the time. So it was worth it to buy it. But I still don't what's so special about it. It covers the bases for the most part, but never really does feel like ST (by that I mean: like s-f space score). No wonder to be found here. It's fine and I'm glad to have this, but that's about it. It could have been so much more. The score, I mean.Karol - not bothered by music presentation or packaging at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Just a bit of a fun note....I tried syncing up "Narada Bing" and "Narada Boom" to the film. "Narada Bing" works all the way through to when the Narada emerges from the black hole. "Narada Bing" lines up for the beginning part until Ayel comes onto the screen, after that point it doesn't quite line up any more. I think there was some pick up or re-shoots for that sequence and that's probably why they did some tracking from the beginning of "Hack To The Future" in that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Fewer than 1,000 copies in stock at Varese now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 When it hits fewer than 500 I may buy another one or two. I don't want to use them for resale, but I hope they'll be popular enough to appreciate in value enough for me to be able to use them as leverage to get some past sold out Varese club releases like Great Escape or The Robe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 That's a good sign, in as much as it will show the AFM what happens when they play ball.crocodile - I don't consider it a masterpiece either. Excellent score, but not one I ever got overly excited about. Considering I got the original for free (still legit) though, it was time I paid for the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 Oops sorry I meant to post that as Blumenkohl. I was logged in as Wojo and forgot.At least you're still trying, Joe never logs in as Ren anymore.Wait. Joe was/is Ren? Seriously?I'm not around much so I probably missed the big reveal. But still: hahahahahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I still dont know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 I can't believe that's still confusing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 I find it very disturbing that the cover features Kirk, Spock and ... Uhura? Could as well be Chekov.If anything, it should be Kirk, Spock and Bones.Succumbing to women ... pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Well it reflects the pseudolove triangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 And how happy we all are about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Zoe what's-her-face who plays Uhura is one of the most beautiful women on the planet, so I have no problems with her being on the cover... Bones might be on the next one when he emerges as more of a main character. In this film, I feel Uhura had a part that was bigger than Bones...just *slightly* bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 Zoë Saldaña should be the only person on the cover in any perfect universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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