Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Was it me or was the bombing plot very similar to that of V For Vendetta? Not just the Guy Fawkes stuff, but more the plot of blowing up parlement with a bombed train, which is what I believe V was trying to do. I thought of that, too, when I saw the train. Lestrade should have been able to solve that one on his own... Bloody hell that was awesome!!! Indeed. And style wise it was quite out there, compared to earlier Sherlock. It might even beat Belgravia as the best episode so far - or at least it's different enough with its offbeat humour to not be second to it. Can't wait for the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 As fun as the last episode was, this was a much better improvement. More clean and focused and has even better laughs. This is to season 3 what the Belgravia episode was to season 2. An isolated episode that wrapped up into one great adventure. The editing was quite good, especially the climax where Sherlock passes judgement in the courthouse in his head. Great idea!At times, the plot did get a little hazy with some questionable deductions but it came together quite well. Also some of the stylistic choices weren't to my taste (too much blurring during the drunk scenes, and there were some really annoying transition bits).The big highlight for me was how this episode made amends on what the first episode did, which was desensitizing Sherlock in a way (especially after all the work they did on making him seem human!). We have here, a Sherlock that is hard to believe, but one who is very capable of compassion and sympathy, which is very endearing to watch.I think this landed in my top 3 Sherlock episodes. We'll see how my thoughts settle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Great episode! I wasn't with it right away, for a while I thought it carried too much of what I didn't like about the first episode, mainly in the editing. But then, somewhere around the slow mo shot of the glass falling, it all came together and was just terrific until the end. Great performances by Sherlock, Watson, and Mary here and great score cues too! Great episode overall! Huge improvement over the premiere. Can't wait for the finale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Yeah for a long time it didn't seem to be about anything, lots of funny and clever stuff, but no actual plot, and then with the falling glass it all became tense.Pretty virtuoso stuff from all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I just really really hope they don't kill Mary off next week, that would be a giant blunder. She should stay on the show forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I agree, she compliments Sherlock and John perfectly.I'm kinda guessing they wont. Sherlock (sofar) isnt really the show to kill off a pregnant woman. A bit too Red Wedding.The only thing that didn't seem to be connected with the rest of the show was the gang Lestrade was chasing before the credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I love that opening! I thought for sure I'd turn out to be a case that only Sherlock can solve it was funny that it ended up being a joke about preparing for best man's speech. I thought it would pay off later in the ep - that Lestrad would not lock down the wedding because of how Sherlock had tricked him before, leading to increased tension and danger... But it worked out fine the way it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wonder if anything from this episode will play a part in the third one?Nothing obvious right now, apart from the bit s about the vows, though that might be a red herring.Traditionally speaking the second ep of a season has always been the least connected to the series arc. With both The Blind Banker and Baskerville only having a short scene at the end linking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Great episode. There was a bit in the middle where I thought it was going to fall flat on its face but it saved it self beautifully. Probably Cumberbatch's best performance as Sherlock and that's saying something. The dubstep version of the Sherlock theme! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I have slightly mixed feelings about this one. Mainly because of the extremely far fetched stabbings. I may be wrong, but I don't believe in the powers of a tight belt. That said, everything else was a lot of fun....I just wish the actual murder attempts wasnt so hokey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 There was a little bot more from The Sign Of Four in this one. Still pretty much making up their own stories though.Loved the very brief Irene Adler cameo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wish we had another full story with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Maybe there will be one in Season 4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hmmm... Is there anywhere else they can take her and Sherlock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Don't ask me, I never read the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Irene famously only ever appeared in a single story. Much like Moriarty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I really thought Sherlock was going to end up bedding Jeanette (or whatever the Maid of Honor's name was) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Nah!I would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Irene cameo???!!! Time to watch!She only appears in one story, yes, but they should absolutely expand her character beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Haha I loved the rundown of ridiculous cases during the speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Elephant In The Room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 So much talk about elephants today... SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Just glimpsed a trailer for ep 3 on TV, the creepy guy from the end of The Empty Hearse was in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 "Can you whisper?""NOT REALLY!"LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 BTW, maybe I missed something in the episode, but did there end up being any importance to the fact that the girl who hired them cause she was dating a ghost when they were drunk knew that John's middle name was Hamish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 All the women worked for Sholto in some capacity. She knew John's middle name because she had read the wedding invitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Who's Sholto? Didn't the photographer do it? Why would he have a giant staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Sigh...Sholto is the guy the photographer was trying to kill. John old superior.The photographer was the "ghost" dating all these women to found out a weak spot I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Well sorry I didn't remember his name.Another funny thing about him is, John asked him something like "Where are you living these days?". Marcy pointed out that he should know, if he sent him an invitation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Good catch from Mary...eeehhh Marcy. Well sorry I didn't remember his name.Not actually surprised. It was a super dense episode. So many things I cant recall. Gonna see it again before Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I loved how once again Sherlock's own compositions tied into the actual score, with his waltz being Mary/John's theme from the last episode, like his piece for Irene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Wait, there was a score cue in 3x01 that underscored a Mary/John scene that ended up being the same violin piece Sherlock wrote in this episode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Yep, I don't remember how many times it appears but at least when Mary tells Sherlock that she'll "talk John round" and Sherlock sizes her up. And I think also when John is messing with the ring at the restaurant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Other way around. The ring scene has a full statement, the other is a more fleeting reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier 5 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I've just watched "The Sign of Three". Awesome.Despite this already being an exceptional series, I dreaded the wedding thing. They managed to make something fun, that contributed to the characterization, and with an actual cases (or two turning out to be about another thing), with tantalizing suggestions of other cases.Splendiddly written and edited; I really love the way they show Holmes' mind working.A nice cameo of Irene.Truly a great episode.I didn't see the meaning of the title coming.Mary is very well written (witty and intelligent; an enhanced version of the character, like Watson is) and cast, indeed.Dammit, it's already almost over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 We dont have to wait two years right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I think Moffat said their plan was/is to produce three episodes every 18th month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 On the one hand, its a long wait. On the other hand, that amount of time does allow for a very high quality production. In every aspect.These episodes must take quite a long time to shoot and edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Just got caught up.Episode 1 was really good. A lot of the impossible to solve issues were handled fairly elegantly. Some of the ultra-goofy Sherlock stuff (bordering on Doctor Who level) I didn't care much for, especially with the last scene in the train. But it was still a strong entry. Far better than any of the Episode 2's from the last two series. The moment Watson realizes Sherlock is alive is brilliant sound design, brilliant music, brilliant cinematography, and brilliant acting. Loved it. Episode 2 was fantastic. Not only fantastic, but one of the most quintessentially "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes" episodes of the show. Probably my favorite since the Irene Adler episode. I think this episode succeeded in bringing disparate plot threads together rather well by the end. That was a big flaw with the previous episode. But it was also filled with these tiny moments of pure texture and character that seemingly do nothing for the plot, until it's all brought together by the man himself in the end. And all fantastically topped with the isolation of Holmes at the end. Lots of subtlety through this episode. And I love subtlety. On another note I really like the Mary character and actress. But I'm worried her character may be an evil one. Between Sherlock's brain citing her a liar (episode 1), the blatant devil imagery in Episode 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 devil imagery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Also, when Sherlock is reading the wedding telegrams, there's one from "Cam," which makes Mary very uneasy.Possible spoilers?CAM would be the initials for Charles Augustus Magnussen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Oh dear.Just watched the part where he reads the telegrams again... yea, her reaction to "Mary, lots of love poppet, oodles of love and heaps of good wishes from CAM, wish your family could have seen this" is pretty telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Also "wish your family could see this"Isn't she an orphan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well, the line is "wish your family could have seen this", so yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 And and and and and....Mrs. Hudson's friend leaving the wedding early...and it being connected to her screwed up husband...Sherlock left John's wedding early. FORESHADOWING? All signs point to a fascinating episode 3. And another agonizing 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Good grief. Way to make me incredibly depressed.I felt bad enough as it is seeing him leave like that. Reminded me too much of myself.I feared that something was up with Mary. She's just too perfect, a little too good at working both Sherlock and John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 What was the "clue" that everyone missed about the Season 2 cliffhanger? Was it the squash ball? (Surely not?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 How is that devil imagery?And if it is, that would be a clue for the viewer, but NOT Sherlock, so it could be a red herring.My main thing is that she figured out the skip code signifying John was kidnapped. That came out of no where?But is this a plot against Sherlock, or John? She was dating John 6 months before Sherlock came back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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