Goblet of Fire Score Speculation (contains book spoilers)

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

***Contains Goblet of Fire Spoilers***

I just finished reading Goblet of Fire again last night, and it really got me looking forward to when/if Johnny does the score. After seeing the CoS movie, I was kind of disappointed thinking about how Fawkes' biggest role in the stories so far was over, and that there wouldn't be much use for his theme anymore. But I forgot that when Voldemort and Harry duel in the graveyard in GoF, and Priori Incantatem occurs, Harry hears phoenix song! This is no doubt because of the connection between their wands and Fawkes, and it thrilled me as I read, thinking about how Fawkes' theme could be used. That scene will have to be scored very dramatically, and I would hope/expect to hear the Family theme as well, for when his parents come out of Voldemort's wand. When Harry heard the song, it said that he connected it with Dumbledore, and this is actually what I had thought before: in the future, Fawkes' theme could actually be used for Dumbledore as well. Other things I thought about was music for the foreign schools, specifically maybe a pompous, Russian sounding march for Durmstrang. Anyway, I just wanted to get all these thoughts and ideas out (the MB is kind of like a Pensieve in that manner ). Feel free to discuss any ideas or hopes you have for upcoming Potter films!

Ray Barnsbury

[diskobolus 3]

SPOILERS FOLLOW

i can't imagine anyone scoring GoF except williams... for the graveyard scene involving the phoenix song, i can almost hear fawkes's theme layered on top of a new variation of voldemort's theme, maybe even a death eater's theme... there's the ghastly ring of death eaters on the outside, and then the interior has harry... if williams scores it, it's going to be unbelievable...

i'm also expecting cho chang to make a noticeable appearance in movie 3, and whether she'll get her own motif in movie 4.... further, i hope the dementers have their new theme and not a variant of voldemort's theme... i feel we need new darkness...

[Guest]

I don't like to say this, but I do not think that there will be a "Goblet of Fire" movie.

For the first, the child actors/actresses are too old (I mean, how great does it look to see a 14-year old Malfoy with a beard!) for their roles.

And there are enough problems finding an actor to replace the late Harris.

They better not be given the problems finding new actors for Harry, Ron & Hermione too!

I think there is a 40-60 per cent chance this film will ever be made.

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

Beards can be shaved off. 30-year old actors have played tennagers. They need a new actor for Harris anyway. The movies make a lot of money. -> I see very little chance that the movie will NOT get made.

***Spoilers follow***

Priori incantatem has the chance to get the best music in the movies so far. About Fawke's theme being used for Dumbledore...I don't think that would be a good idea. We actually know very little about Dumbledore, and there are the wildest speculations. I don't think those people who think he's some sort of evil mastermind are correct, but I can imagine that he has some sort of skeleton in the closet.

And I don't know if the Dementors will have a theme at all. Aren't they too dark even for that? I rather imagine atonal "rumbling" music, without any theme at all. Or if they have a theme, it'll be a rather short motif methinks.

Home Alone

[Jango Fett 0]

--Spoilers inside ---

Me thinks we had that age thing on another thread.

But nevertheless, wow the GoF scored by John Williams. That will be a massive score. Indeed that part involving the phoenix theme and the voldemort's theme on the graveyard, mixed with a Potter theme, hmmm Well thinking Ray!

But it should have a connection with the appearing of Priori Incantatem in the beginning of the book.

But also the several trials could have their own themes, because they all tell their own story. And of course the foreign visitors, interesting.

Wether the dementers should have their own theme. Hmm difficult it could be a very very dark theme or otherwise no theme at all, like Marian suggested. If there will be a theme it should not have a connection with voldemort and his "friends" the dementers haven't got a direct link with Voldemort.

As I'm typing it slips to mind diskobolus wrote about the death eater's theme I don't think they should have their own theme. It should be a variation of Voldemort's theme, for the direct link between Voldemort and his followers.

Quite exciting this speculating about these times. I could continue for hours.

But in the end the word is on the master himself. Johnny will be after all the one who is going to compose the score

KraMB - who hopes that score will be composed by good old John

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Yes, of course, that's a good idea about the music for the Tasks. Should be very exciting, lots of brass. It would be cool for the orchestra to break into the Nimbus theme as soon as Harry mounts his broom in the first task. The second task would maybe be similar to the underwater music from TPM, and kind of distorted and "weird" for the merpeople. The third task could alternate between very dartk atmospheric music to very exciting music, to follow the action. I agree about the themes for the dementors and Death Eaters . . . and I doubt Cho will have a theme, since there really aren't many solely character themes yet, but who knows? This is great, predicting like this. I can't wait, and I'm so mad that we have to wait 2 years for PoA!!! Hopefully we'll soon have the 5th book, which I'm looking forward to even more, to keep us occupied in the meantime.

Ray Barnsbury

[Jango Fett 0]

Hopefully we'll soon have the 5th book, which I'm looking forward to even more, to keep us occupied in the meantime.

Yes I can't wait either! I'm waiting for oh so long for that part

Maybe Hermoine will get her own theme, when she goes to the ball with Victor Kruml? Maybe Victor will get his own version of the quidditch match in the worldchampionship quidditch?

[ST-321 4]

I think there is a 40-60 per cent chance this film will ever be made.

Possibly, but if it makes money, I am sure the studio will want to do it.

GOF is VERY long for an HP movie. Given the amount of scenes cut from the first two, I wonder how they would do it. What would you cut?

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

There are rumours they're planning to split it into two movies. The more I think about it, the more I believe it. I expect Azkaban to be three hours long, or even a bit longer. GOF would then have to be at least over four hours, and that would be after cutting a lot. They can't do that. And they can't cut more either. They can make two movies though - LOTR has shown that it works, and that people will go see it.

and I doubt Cho will have a theme, since there really aren't many solely character themes yet

I was thinking of saying something like that too. But consider this: You'll probably need some sort of love theme. Neither of Harry's themes would work for that, so there probably WILL be a theme for her.

Marian - who would kill to get book #5.

[Guest]

Yeah, Marian, you're probably right. After thinking more about it, I thought maybe the two would have a quasi love theme, more like a "crush motif" or something like that. Something very sweet and not too heavy.

Ray Barnsbury

[diskobolus 3]

what would they call the movies though? renaming them or giving them "nicknames" would be unacceptable. i shudder at the thought of "harry potter and the goblet of fire... part 1 and part 2!"... i want to sit through a 5 hour movie.

[Morlock 9]

I don't like to say this, but I do not think that there will be a "Goblet of Fire" movie.  

For the first, the child actors/actresses are too old (I mean, how great does it look to see a 14-year old Malfoy with a beard!) for their roles.  

And there are enough problems finding an actor to replace the late Harris.  

They better not be given the problems finding new actors for Harry, Ron & Hermione too!

I think there is a 40-60 per cent chance this film will ever be made.

I definatly agree.

My only reservation, is that I had the same thoughts about Indy 4 for a long time, wishing it wouldn't be made, because of all the time relapsed, the age and story. But now, I can't wait!

Although the difference between 13 and 17 is much bigger, especialy when the actor is supposed to be 14. and Sorry MS, but I've never seen a teenager play someone a different age than himself succesfully.

[Guest]

What I'm wondering is how Williams will do the soundtracks for GOF. The movie will most likely be split in two, the first being released in the fall, then the latter half in the winter. Maybe John Williams will release its entire soundtrack with the first half (a two-disc Harry Potter soundtrack??? ) They would probably have to have the second half consist of the second and third tasks, and the conclusion of the movie. I would love to see the whole second half based on the graveyard scene, but it would probably lose its child audience in the scariness. I hope The Order of the Phoenix isn't too long, too avoid the forseeable problems there would be with scoring/movie-making a 400-700 page book.

[Ren 75]

don't forget that harry has a firebolt now, so you can't REALLY say nimbus theme

I can't wait to see the maze and the dragon fight. And the Veela, that would be cool!

I do hope if they make the movie, they show ALL of the Quidditch World Cup, can you imagine the music!

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

JKR has recently confirmed that Phoenix is the longest Potter novel so far.

what would they call the movies though? renaming them or giving them "nicknames" would be unacceptable. i shudder at the thought of "harry potter and the goblet of fire... part 1 and part 2!"... i want to sit through a 5 hour movie.

I guess they'd either add "subtitles" to the titles, or simply use "Part 1" and "Part 2" - which would probably be better. Anyway, I'm sure if they indeed make two movies, there'll be a DVD version that has both as one long movie.

Young Sherlock Holmes (Bruce Broughton)

[Guest]

I was kind of disappointed thinking about how Fawkes' biggest role in the stories so far was over, and that there wouldn't be much use for his theme anymore.

Remember the title of the fifth book is "Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix" so there is a good chance Fawkes will be a key role. If made into a movie his theme could be used. By the time GOF becomes a movie there will definitely be a change in actors which in my opinion will draw people away from the movie, because they have grown to like the current ones. It seems to me that it is very unlikely that many more movies will be made.

-Gamecube

[Jango Fett 0]

If they intention of splitting up the movie?

Where should they do that, parting it in a autumn winter and spring half? ... well let's face it it won't work! Children can't wait that long for a movie they have to see a begin and an ending in a movie. LOTR is a whole different chapter. LOTR is meant for elderly children not for the younger ones.

But nevertheless will they want to make it in a three hours during film it will be difficult! Cutting is inevitable! But the amount cutting will become huge. And I'm afraid it will have such impact on the story that it won't the same.

Three hours is nevertheless very very long for young children, I don't think many seats wil stay dry, for they can't go to the toilet all the time, for the excitement will keep them glued to their seets

Cutting it in half would be the only solution I think, but the two parts shouldn't be seperated in a large amount of time, certainly not a year.

Difficult this one!!

Hope JK doesn't make part 5 as difficult and long as this one!

[diskobolus 3]

we should stop thinking about the audience of the harry potter films as only young children. books 3 and 4 are not children's books at all, in my opinion.

[Ren 75]

you know, that is a very good point.

anyone (child) who can sit down and read the whole book from cover to cover (obviously not in one sitting but have the nerve to tackle the sheer amount of pages) can sit through a long movie.

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

KraMB, as I said above, part 5 is even longer. And I've seen really young children (too young IMHO) sit through the entire FOTR without problems. And most importantly, I remember seeing multi-part children's movies in my childhood and don't having problems with that, for example the two (or three?) part Pippi Longstockings pirate movie.

Marian - who'd kinda like to see that again. :wow:

[diskobolus 3]

we're not talking about some crappy children's movie adapted from a not-so-popular book. this is harry potter. wb has to be very careful about how they handle the fourth movie, because if they do it wrong, they're going to piss off a lot of the older audience.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

we should stop thinking about the audience of the harry potter films as only young children. books 3 and 4 are not children's books at all, in my opinion.

I totally agree. These books are universal, and if anything, they become less and less for children as they progress, like you mentioned. I'd be surprised and disappointed to to see GoF (and possibly PoA) get under an PG-13 rating, because it would mean that they watered the stories down, in which case I would be furious.

Ray Barnsbury

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

we're not talking about some crappy children's movie adapted from a not-so-popular book.

But from what I remember (don't forget, when I saw it I was still a child), the Pippi Longstockings movie (and TV series) wasn't crappy. And I hope you're not calling those books not-so-popular?

[diskobolus 3]

i know nothing about them. exaggerated to make a point. and let's face it, they are crappy compared to harry potter. most books are.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

JKR has recently confirmed that Phoenix is the longest Potter novel so far.

what would they call the movies though? renaming them or giving them "nicknames" would be unacceptable. i shudder at the thought of "harry potter and the goblet of fire... part 1 and part 2!"... i want to sit through a 5 hour movie.

I guess they'd either add "subtitles" to the titles, or simply use "Part 1" and "Part 2" - which would probably be better. Anyway, I'm sure if they indeed make two movies, there'll be a DVD version that has both as one long movie.

Young Sherlock Holmes (Bruce Broughton)

actually Marion, she confirmed it has one more chapter (39)

than Goblet of Fire, but she tought it might be shorter because some of the chapters are not as long as those in GOF.

Joe, wondering why the spanish version of Goblet has 100 fewer pages, than the english version.

[Bart 0]

than Goblet of Fire, but she tought it might be shorter because some of the chapters are not as long as those in GOF.

Nope! She recently released some of the 93 words that are going to be auctioned (see: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org). The words are about Ootp and one of them is 'Longest Volume'

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

Exactly.

[Ren 75]

that's two words

[Jango Fett 0]

Marian, You have made me change my opinion on the movie. I have to agree that the movie isn't a movie only for the younger people (children). Therefore I change my opion on splitting the film in two. It my will do the film good when the cutting is reduced to a minimum. Therefore let's in split the film in more parts than one.

Well we agreed on that one earlier, but you're opinion on the fact that even the younger children will last this movie. Have changed my mind. Recalling my first visit to FOTR where many "children" were spoiling my fun..., so that I had to go again to see it a day later.

But the remark Ren made has really changed my mind. If they succeed in reading the book, cover to cover they will succeed watching this movie.

So make two movies of the GoF!!!!

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

Better yet: Make it three! LOL

[diskobolus 3]

i'm betting that movies 5-7 will be seriously delayed. i think radcliffe and gang will stay through movie 4, then they'll wait a few years before recasting them, for the last three films.

[Ren 75]

you think5-7?

i think 4-7 hiatus

but that's what i think, not what i want!

thanks for agreeing with me, i really think that if a kid can read the 3rd and 4th books from cover to cover, i bet they will make it through the movie. that's not counting the little ones that just are into the hype and not the books because they are too young to read it. these movies are not for them.