Re-arranging Belly Of The Steel Beast

[Dean1700 4]

Has anyone ever tried re-arranging Belly of The Steel Beast and On The Tank to resemble something closer to how it's heard in the film? I know there is a few seconds of music missing from On The Tank so it wouldn't be quite complete.

I'm just curious to know if anyone has done this and what are the thoughts of others.

[fommes 126]

Of course, it isn't that hard to do. There's no music missing, but for the film version Williams did an insert, which can in fact even be cleanly ripped from the DVD and inserted, so there you go.

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[Josh500 1,602]

Of course, it isn't that hard to do. There's no music missing, but for the film version Williams did an insert, which can in fact even be cleanly ripped from the DVD and inserted, so there you go.

Yeah, there you go!

[Dean1700 4]

The first part of Belly Of The Steel Beast has to be edited down from 2:24 mins to approx 0:55 secs to accurately represent the film version though. Not a hard fix.

[John Crichton 4]

It's not a tough edit, and I think it works quite well.

[Quintus 5,391]

A PM regarding this would be greatly appreciated; my own editing skills aren't what they were.

[Dean1700 4]

I tried to PM you Quint but your inbox must be full. What do you need to know?

[King Mark 2,924]

I just leave it the way it is on the concord set

[Wojo 2,442]

I think I got an edit from that guy who likes boats.

[Roll the Bones 2,967]

i segmented the tracks into "Belly of the Steel Beast", On The Tank, and "Grab Dad" i did this using the very ending of BOtSTB and a reverb fade where the music would suege into OTT (On The Tank) so i could keep the raiders march intro of OTT

[Romão 1,931]

No offense, when you got to two separate tracks that work so well on their own, almost as concert pieces, jumbling them together just to match what's on screen that seem like a good ideia at all.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,476]

Yeah, I listen to it in the order "On the Tank" followed by "Belly of the Steel Beast". I was under the impression those are the original recordings for music in that scene with the exception of an insert, then the music was just jumbled around for the movie?

[Ollie 859]

I'm sure somewhere down the line we will get a complete version and they will be assembled in complete form as well.

[Demondm810 349]

A PM regarding this would be greatly appreciated; my own editing skills aren't what they were.

I would like to second this sentiment.

[John Crichton 4]

Yeah, I listen to it in the order "On the Tank" followed by "Belly of the Steel Beast". I was under the impression those are the original recordings for music in that scene with the exception of an insert, then the music was just jumbled around for the movie?

Just about. Belly of the Steel Beast was originally the only cue, then On the Tank was written and inserted when Spielberg decided to extend the scene.

[Josh500 1,602]

No offense, when you got to two separate tracks that work so well on their own, almost as concert pieces, jumbling them together just to match what's on screen that seem like a good ideia at all.

Yeah, agreed.

I love Vogel's theme in "On the Tank"...

[fommes 126]

No offense, when you got to two separate tracks that work so well on their own, almost as concert pieces, jumbling them together just to match what's on screen that seem like a good ideia at all.

Well normally I'd agree with you, but the second one is actually composed as an insert, and doesn't really stand on its own very well (the unused beginning is ok, the ending is abrupt).

Also, the film version transition from Belly to the insert is just one of the awesomest transitions/edits in the whole Williams catalogue. I love it.

[Roll the Bones 2,967]

well i should clarify that i included the original versions of the track seperate in the extras section of my edit, along with a dvd rip of the cue, AND the film cut (all three segments cut together as in the film)

and i dont disagree that they work better the way they were.

[Ollie 859]

Yes, both of them work well as separate pieces. It really does help to remove them from the film, that way you're not expecting the cue to go a certain route.

[Jay 27,216]

Yeah, I listen to it in the order "On the Tank" followed by "Belly of the Steel Beast". I was under the impression those are the original recordings for music in that scene with the exception of an insert, then the music was just jumbled around for the movie?

Just about. Belly of the Steel Beast was originally the only cue, then On the Tank was written and inserted when Spielberg decided to extend the scene.

I don't think that's right.

10m2 is the music for the start of the tank chase, and can be heard from 0:00-2:24 of "Belly Of The Steel Beast"

Then 10m3/11m1 is "On The Tank"

Then 11m2 is the end of the chase - the Indy Vs Fogel fight, etc

I think by the time Williams was scoring the film, it was all ordered that way.... I think the scene was just shorted after that, and we've never seen the material that the Indy Theme opening was meant to go with

[Roll the Bones 2,967]

i have a theory that the raiders march intro was for the scene when vogel runs the tank into the car/truck and it flips ontop of the tank, i could be wrong though because i also think belly of the steel beast would have seuged (sp?) from Death of Kazim into OTT and if so then the raiders march intro wouldnt fit in there, i have a mockup of this, im uploading it to youtube as i type.

[Quintus 5,391]

I tried to PM you Quint but your inbox must be full. What do you need to know?

Sorry man, it was choca-block. Although I think you misunderstand me, ahem. I was fishing for an upload, but not to worry

[Roll the Bones 2,967]

i have a theory that the raiders march intro was for the scene when vogel runs the tank into the car/truck and it flips ontop of the tank, i could be wrong though because i also think belly of the steel beast would have seuged (sp?) from Death of Kazim into OTT and if so then the raiders march intro wouldnt fit in there, i have a mockup of this, im uploading it to youtube as i type.

Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tlwCjoejOo the video has not yet been fully processed and the audio (not the music) is a bit off sync, but the idea is still clear

[TownerFan 4,548]

i have a theory that the raiders march intro was for the scene when vogel runs the tank into the car/truck and it flips ontop of the tank, i could be wrong though because i also think belly of the steel beast would have seuged (sp?) from Death of Kazim into OTT and if so then the raiders march intro wouldnt fit in there, i have a mockup of this, im uploading it to youtube as i type.

Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tlwCjoejOo the video has not yet been fully processed and the audio (not the music) is a bit off sync, but the idea is still clear

Nice try, thanks for sharing.

I too tried to sync up the whole cue on the finished film, but it doesn't work quite well. I guess Williams scored a different, longer edit of the sequence. Hence the segue between the first part of the "Tank Chase" cue and the beginning of "On the Tank" works as well (the Indy fanfare syncs perfectly for the moment he approaches the tank before putting the rock into the cannon).

In my own edit I inserted the whole "On The Tank" cue in between "Belly of the Steel Beast" and it works quite well, but probably it wasn't originally written that way, as I guess this was a sequence much re-edited during post-production, so Williams had to re-score portions here and there.