Holko 9,526 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Submitting an OST album for manufacturing before the score is finished is a common necessary evil (I suspect RotK, for example, has so many alternates/earlier takes for this reason), but finishing the score a couple of weeks before the final print lock deadline is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Incanus said: As it has been said before, it is curious that the Mummy Returns liner notes make no mention of late sessions in the US nor who recorded them. But it's well known that they happened in the US, so there could be rumours about the recording crew. Anyway, if Sands was involved, it must be the first thing I'll hear by him that doesn't sound great. 12 minutes ago, Holko said: but finishing the score a couple of weeks before the final print lock deadline is not. Tell that to Goldsmith and the STTMP crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,363 Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 When the sheet music for Azkaban leaked, we were surprised to learn the film / album version of the end credits (Mischief Managed) is not what Williams intended. Basically, he wrote the original finale cue ("A New Broomstick") and the first ~3 1/2 minutes of the end credits ("End Credits", which encompasses the original Double Trouble and Past Theme material - the latter of which was also duplicated on the album in the track "A Window To The Past"), which was written to segue to bars 130-end of the "Hedwig's Theme" concert arrangement (the sheet music leak includes both the sheets for just the original end credits with a handwritten note indicating such, AND a version with those bars photocopied in from the Signature Edition of the Hedwig's Theme arrangement, with the bars renumbered to match their new placement). Someone clearly decided they didn't want to use Hedwig's Theme for the end credits again (we don't even know if they recorded it or not), and instead constructed a new end credits medley consisted of bits tracked in from a bunch of cues. For the album, they followed suite and re-created almost the same medley as the film (two pieces are swapped in order compared to the film version, and Hedwig's Theme appears at the end instead of Pettigrew's Theme). On top of all that, he also rewrote "A New Broomstick"; Originally it was Hedwig's Theme -> Original fanfare -> Hedwig's Theme, but the revised version added in Nimbus 2000 instead of the original music, making it only the second theme from his original score to return in the third score. Also, he wrote a new Insert to open the end credits in a more exciting way (this is the really cool Double Trouble variation you can only hear in the film and not on the CD). So, TL;DR, we've got 4 "versions" of finale & end credits possibiliies As originally written: 7M11 A New Broomstick -> 7M12 End Credits -> Hedwig's Theme (HP1 concert arrangement, bars 130-end) As later rewritten: 7M11 A New Broomstick (Revised Version) -> new End Credits intro -> 7M12 End Credits -> Hedwig's Theme (HP1 concert arrangement, bars 130-end) The final film ultimately did: 7M11 A New Broomstick (Revised Version) -> new End Credits intro -> 7M12 End Credits -> tracked section of Buckbeak’s Flight -> tracked section of ”The Snowball Fight” -> tracked section of "The Knight Bus" -> tracked section of “Double Trouble” -> tracked section of "Aunt Marge's Waltz" -> Peter Pettigrew harpsichord motif (probably tracked from "Reading The Map") The OST album does: 7M11 A New Broomstick (Revised Version) [with the opening Hedwig's Theme part chopped off] -> 7M12 End Credits -> tracked section of Buckbeak’s Flight -> tracked section of ”The Snowball Fight” -> tracked section of “Double Trouble” -> tracked section of "The Knight Bus" -> tracked section of "Aunt Marge's Waltz" -> celeste rendition of "Hedwig's Theme" (probably tracked in from somewhere) -> A final celeste note of unknown origin (sounds completely different than the rest of the Hedwig's Theme rendition) Brundlefly, Holko, Smaug The Iron and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Howard Shore - The Fellowship of the Ring (Complete) AMAZING Kevin Riepl - Aliens; Colonial Marines Moments of cool stuff, boredom in between Joe Kraemer - Jack Reacher Nice Theodore Shapiro & Craig Wedren - Wet Hot American Summer Alan Silvestri - Ready Player One (OST) Finally saw the movie, so wanted to listen to this again. It makes a lot more sense now. Silvestri did a good job here. James Newton Howard - Waterworld (Complete) Great! Michael Giacchino - Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Not bad Eric Serra - Fifth Element (Complete) Lena Raine - Celeste Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 On 5/20/2018 at 6:38 AM, Knight of Ren said: Horton Hears a Who by John Powell: Really variated score, full of joy and energy. And despite it does not have a recognizable main theme as other Powell scores, it has lot of great short moments that make this album go fast. One thing I really like about the album presentation is how many cues flow into each other like one big cue. Mars Needs Moms by John Powell: I also love the use of that "martian" sound that sounds like a homage to Elfman's Mars Attack! Horton doesn’t have a recognizable theme? It’s literally the first 30 seconds of the score! That would be homaging Herrmann’s use of the theremin in The Day The Earth Stood Still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 There's Horton's theme, the theme for the Whos, I think Sour Kangaroo has a theme...and that's just recalling off the top of my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 100 Rifles - Jerry Goldsmith I gave up and ordered this one, even if it meant double-dipping for a - hopefully - small sonic improvement. Well, it was *not really* worth it, but the small upgrade is still appreciated for this bad-assedest of Goldsmith western scores (it's 'Planet of the Apes' with catchy tunes), full of prepared piano and mariachi tunes cunningly reshaped into menacing bad guy marches. The movie is a late 60's improbability that places Burt Reynolds, Jim Brown and Raquel Welsh in 1912 Sonora, Mexico, as band of quasi-revolutionaries that try to buy, you guessed it, 100 rifles to fight the mexican army. The main theme is a rousing repeated two-note horn call, similar to the later 'Rambo 2' crossed with a fast-paced mariachi bridge, and while the sound is clearly 60's/70's it's still a marvel that you could use it for a current movie without too much persuading. Goldsmith uses a mid-size orchestra with additional percussion that is constantly on the move and seldom offers respite - pieces like 'Breakout', 'The Ruins', 'Cliff Hangers' and 'Downhill Ride' (the old FSM title of the now-blandly-titled 'No Choice') are like twisted mexican dances put through a Stravinsky blender and it's this mixture of ethnic spunk and academical thought that makes this score come closest to what Morricone achieved in the many westerns in the 60's ('Bandolero' comes second, but the similarities are more superfluous there). The sound still is kind of iffy, though an argument can be made that it actually adds to the charm. So for any western and Mexico fan who likes his stuff hot, spicy and with a good dose of hard-edged, this one is a dream come true. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 John Williams plays John Williams: The Anthology SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Conducts, you mean. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 uh, ok. SteveMc and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 The almost complete score for The Langoliers by Vladimir Horunzhy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Someday, a lady will see me on the Kroger parking lot listening to Jerry Goldsmith's score to Poltergeist II: The Other Side, and think "Yep, he's the one!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Poltergeist II: The Other Side by Jerry Goldsmith (Kritzerland release) Was disappointingly bored revisiting this one today, as I used to get a kick out of all the wacky syth (the telephone ring!) and choir stuff in this. The original's a contender for my all-time absolute favorite Goldsmith score, and I'm left kind of wishing he didn't bother with the sequel (though at least he bailed out for the third movie). Innerspace by Jerry Goldsmith Least good of the Goldsmith-Dante scores for me, but still entertaining enough. Album was fine, LLL release drags. Deep Rising by Jerry Goldsmith Another for the "I used to have fun with this one, what happened?" pile. Two dull listens, and one mildly entertaining one in-between. I decided I desperately needed something quite different. Discovered I hadn't heard this in what feels like years, and it was just the change of pace I needed! Another where the album was fine and the LLL release wasn't needed, but the latter's worth it for the one cue referencing The Gonk. Day of the Dead by John Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 10 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Someday, a lady will see me on the Kroger parking lot listening to Jerry Goldsmith's score to Poltergeist II: The Other Side, and think "Yep, he's the one!". Hell yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Deep Rising by Jerry Goldsmith Another for the "I used to have fun with this one, what happened?" pile. Deep Rising fucking rules. David Newman wrote a handful of really good dramatic scores beyond all the kiddie stuff that made him rich - including 'Hoffa' and 'Brokedown Place'. This one is part Horner, part brother Tommy (these strings!) and, in its broadness, quite a bit of Williams, too. The 8 minute credits give the theme a great roll out, but all the tumultuous stuff is really good, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, publicist said: Deep Rising fucking rules. Love the movie and the score's great in it, but it was a dull CD listen (on either original album and especially the complete score). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 There some drab stuff, but all the caribbean action writing (and the Mummy-like mean cunt-y brass runs) are just great. It was an assignment beneath Goldsmith, but the end result probably more entertaining that the movie deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 It was probably just my melancholic mood, as I found the action music painfully basic (at least by Goldsmith standards). Who knows, maybe I'll like it again when I'm feeling better. This apparently was indeed a day for the Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 He kept it honest. It's exactly the kind of music that movie deserves. Dressing it up with elaborate orchestrations or making it bigger would have gone against the crappy nature of everything that DR offers. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 So I guess we're stuck on this island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 John Williams - Always (starting at track 7, no songs) Great score for a quiet beautiful sunny day. SteveMc and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Golden 80sTD Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Darnation Alley by Jerry Goldsmith Venom by Michael Kamen Capricorn One by Jerry Goldsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Today's listenin'! publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2018 Between the anniversary of his death last month and his birthday in a few weeks, Mrs. Pilgrim and I are drinking to the great James Horner tonight and listening to his work. Titanic and Braveheart are better than everything. Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Kasey Kockroach, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 He was dynamic range's greatest champion in the loudness wars. He was the last best hope in the universe for peace. Before the dark times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 The Twin Towers by Plan 9. The ray of blue edition. After the first fantasy-oriented score, this one feels more earthy and gritty, almost documentarian. I have great affection for this one. It helps to sell the Mediterranean area as a real place. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 King Solomon's Mines by Jerry Goldsmith Super fun anyhow, though it's mainly a cousin of Baby (but without the goofy farting syths), right down to a Rambo-esque rhythm on one of the last cues. But that's not especially a knock against this, merely that it made me want to listen to a bit of Rambo afterward (and being reminded of Rambo is never a bad thing under any circumstances). Hadn't heard this one before, glad I gave it a go. Planet of the Apes by Jerry Goldsmith I wish we had a video of Jerry conducting this while wearing his ape mask. Q: The Winged Serpent by Robert O. Ragland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 The Mummy Returns (Intrada release) by Alan Silvestri Black Dahlia by Mark Isham Chinatown by Jerry Goldsmith L.A. Confidential by Jerry Goldsmith Damnation Alley by Jerry Goldsmith Rambo 3 by Jerry Goldsmith Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 John Williams - The Cowboys (still can't stop) Danny Elfman - Mission: Impossible Howard Shore - LotR: TTT CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Damn, that's a day of damn fine music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Incanus said: Rambo 3 by Jerry Goldsmith I only have the second Rambo score and it's been a favorite of mine for years. I haven't felt a need to explore the other two (I'm usually a "Buy one franchise score and I'm satisfied" kind of chap), but I'm lately finally growing curious on the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Damn, that's a day of damn fine music! Damn right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: I only have the second Rambo score and it's been a favorite of mine for years. I haven't felt a need to explore the other two (I'm usually a "Buy one franchise score and I'm satisfied" kind of chap), but I'm lately finally growing curious on the other two. First Blood is a different beast to the second one. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Is it a fantastic beast? If so, where do I find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Selected Goldsmith tracks -Generals Suite, Winter March/German Advance, All Glory is Fleeting and Bound for Bastogne from Patton, tracks from First Blood, The Waltons theme and Police Story which I can't get enough of. Yesterday, Elmer Bernstein's Ghostbusters, The Bridge at Remagen and Heavy Metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I dig King Solomon's Mines the more I play it. I appreciate that Goldsmith doesn't spam that main hero theme to the point of nausea, which is something I tend to have issue with with these hero scores (YES JOHN WILLIAMS WE GET IT WE'RE LISTENING TO INDIANA JONES THANK YOU CAN WE GO HOME NOW). It pops up enough, just not to the point where I get sick of it or feel any need to edit cues. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 3 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: I dig King Solomon's Mines the more I play it. I appreciate that Goldsmith doesn't spam that main hero theme to the point of nausea, which is something I tend to have issue with with these hero scores (YES JOHN WILLIAMS WE GET IT WE'RE LISTENING TO INDIANA JONES THANK YOU CAN WE GO HOME NOW). It pops up enough, just not to the point where I get sick of it or feel any need to edit cues. Only problem with King Solomon's Mines is that the main theme is so cheesy I find it hard to listen to. So it is great that it is not repeated very much. 12 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: I only have the second Rambo score and it's been a favorite of mine for years. I haven't felt a need to explore the other two (I'm usually a "Buy one franchise score and I'm satisfied" kind of chap), but I'm lately finally growing curious on the other two. First Blood is a leaner in execution than the sequels but first rate action and suspense scoring from old Jerrald. Take a listen and decide whether or not it is worth your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I like cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Blessed are the cheesemakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 😍😍😍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 4:13 PM, crocodile said: The Twin Towers by Plan 9. The ray of blue edition. After the first fantasy-oriented score, this one feels more earthy and gritty, almost documentarian. I have great affection for this one. It helps to sell the Mediterranean area as a real place. Karol What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 He's talking about The reissue of The Two Towers: The Complete Recordings, which now comes with the score in HD 5.1 on a BD instead of DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Isn't it just? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 https://itunes.apple.com/au/album/the-meg-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1412896896 Full of clichés, but on the fun level of Deep Blue Sea, so not a total loss, either. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Pretty much what I was hoping for! Hurrah! As for moi...85 degrees?! Come, Doby! No time to lose! Off to the park we must go! Today is a day for glorious action! Exhilarating derring-do! Music that gets the blood flowing and muscles pumping! If I had muscles, anyway. Solo: A Star Wars Story by John Powell Rambo: First Blood Part II by Jerry Goldsmith The Rescue by Bruce Broughton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesyboy 3 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 This is amazingly really, really good. There is some fantastic Williams/Copland-esque moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 To Kill a Mockingbird - Elmer Bernstein (RSNO re-recording) There are times when I think this is actually my favorite film score of all time. Tonight is one of those times. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 The Sons of Katie Elder (LLL) - Elmer Bernstein My favorite Bernstein is his 50s/60s drama mode, but I definitely love his "pop Copland" Western mode too. A very entertaining listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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