LSH 968 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I still think that I can hear a nod to the Main Title from THE TOWERING INFERNO, in this cue. I'm gonna fact check that. Hang on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,491 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Bear with... Bear with... Bear with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Ok, nothing is screaming out to me in similarities. Can you give me pointing to...? Timestamp it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I don't know if @Naïve Old Fart is talking about the original "OST", because there was indeed a problem at the beginning of the Main Title, but it was corrected on the 2019 release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 What loveliness. And sadness. (Mostly sadness). I do hope that if Frank Darabont returns to cinema, he'll invite Newman back to join him. This is quite possibly the most heartbreaking score that Newman has ever produced. And for a composer with a penchant for that particular sound of sadness... bittersweet and haunting... he most definitely outdid himself with this one. I could talk about how moving this score is all day, but one highlight (aside from the obvious one) ... This cue, which makes a lot more sense if you've seen the film, breaks my heart. It moves from a sort of stirring and uncomfortable 'uneasiness' (with all those ethereal Newman textures) into a building and almost overwhelming 'dissonant awe', before falling into a gorgeous quiet release... and then that oboe melody* that follows... with those delicate yet damningly poignant strings. Christ. This is the kind of thing only Newman can do. And it's FUCKING amazing. * this melody does not return in the OST, but you do hear another completely lovely version of it in the film, just before John heals James Cromwell's character's wife. I'd love to hear this piece in an expanded score at some point. Here it is.. at 35 seconds... Naïve Old Fart and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,491 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 I have always thought of THE GREEN MILE (both film and score) as THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION's little brother (same director/writer/novelist/composer/editor), but, after hearing this, I'm beginning to reappraise it. Thanks for posting, @LSH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,472 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 Definitely the mood of this end of week (1/2) Alexandre Desplat - Little Women (Spotify) Carter Burwell - Carol (Spotify) Elliot Goldenthal - Frida (FYC) Thomas Newman - Fried Green Tomatoes (The Score) Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Tom Guernsey and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 James Horner's homage to Danny Elfman. It's a bit temp track-y, but has enough Hornerisms to make this one of his classic kid-friendly scores. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Bespin said: Alexandre Desplat - Little Women (Spotify) Carter Burwell - Carol (Spotify) Elliot Goldenthal - Frida (FYC) Thomas Newman - Fried Green Tomatoes OST Did you buy that FRIDA on EBAY? I sold mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: James Horner's homage to Danny Elfman. It's a bit temp track-y, but has enough Hornerisms to make this one of his classic kid-friendly scores. Many composers shared this burden. 'Edward Scissorhands' and especially 'Beetlejuice' were all over 90's movie temps and you'll hear it if you know where to look. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,979 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Well, even temps were better back in the day. 😄 Karol Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Definitely the mood of this end of week (2/2) John Williams - The Post Danny Elfman - Milk Thomas Newman - The Help John Williams - Lincoln Tom Guernsey and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 When you go about a year or so without listening to film scores and then upon that mood coming back you return to The Rocketeer, it really is the greatest thing in the world. Naïve Old Fart and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 3 hours ago, crocodile said: Well, even temps were better back in the day. 😄 Karol Yeah, these days the temp music on Hollywood movies is just Inception, The Dark Knight, Bourne and Mad Max Fury Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1-2-3-4... BAAAAMMM 1-2-3-4... BAAAMMMM I can do temp tracks too!!! Andy and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,491 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Here's another one: Duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh, duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh duh-duh add fucking infinitum. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Cocoon by James Horner A really lovely score halfway between Horner more jazzy sound and his more lyric scores. Love it Naïve Old Fart and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 When music writing becomes a program, I can do that! 1) SEQ1(4 LOOPS)+ENDING1+SEQ2(5 LOOPS)+ENDING2+SEQ1(2 LOOPS)+ENDING3+CODA1. 2) SEQ1(4 LOOPS)+ENDING1+SEQ2(5 LOOPS)+ENDING2+SEQ1(2 LOOPS)+ENDING3+CODA2. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,491 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 46 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: Cocoon by James Horner A really lovely score halfway between Horner more jazzy sound and his more lyric scores. Love it It's a top-5 (yes, @Bespin, another top-5! ) Horner, for me. "Gravity" is not too shabby, either. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,071 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Cocoon was Horner perfecting that tear jerking sound early in his career. It’s a good one Naïve Old Fart and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,491 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Yes he was and yes, it is, but did he really have to reuse TWOK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Andy said: Cocoon was Horner perfecting that tear jerking sound early in his career. It’s a good one As someone who loves complete scores I'm often surprised when there is a suite that does everything I need a score to do. My first exposure to Cocoon outside of the film was the suite on the Cincinnati Pops CD (one of my first CDs!) Star Tracks II. Perhaps I need to listen to the score more often. In my head it's "That amazing theme with the clarinet that kills me" + Wrath of Khan / The Search for Spock + Big Band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,071 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Yes he was and yes, it is, but did he really have to reuse TWOK? Gosh, I remember it so clearly. That was the first time it struck me that Horner recycled. And to hear it so prominently in the film, it immediately lowered my estimation of him. But no matter, it's the whole product that counts, and Cocoon is some of the most loveliest film music ever. I always liked this cue. There's a thread on FSM about great examples of counterpoint. Listen to the first minute. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I've personnaly discover Cocoon before TWOK so even if I noticed the reuse, it doesn't strikes me or annoyed me that much usually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 One only notices reuse/“self-theft” when one seeks every score by a composer, which is not an advisable activity in most cases. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 In the musical domain, we talk about "parody music". And we love that when composer reuse their "best of", J.S. Bach did it a lot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody_music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: One only notices reuse/“self-theft” when one seeks every score by a composer, which is not an advisable activity in most cases. Yeah. I remember hearing Marion's theme in the theater and thinking "Gee, that's a lot like Han Solo and the Princess, right?" The first "Oh, come ON!" moment(s) with Horner for me was Aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Meh. If it’s nice to listen to in the moment, I don’t care where it came from. Music is music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,163 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Yes he was and yes, it is, but did he really have to reuse TWOK? Did he? I know he reused the Britten rip (in not quite the same way as in TWOK) in The Chase. Is there actual original Horner material from TWOK in Cocoon as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 I probably expressed years ago here that Jerrald Goldsmith’s Poltergeist is my favorite film score. Still is, apparently. I’d only listen to this on special occasions (my birthday, or when driving to and home from a date with my gal), but now, for no particular reason, just feels like a good time to revisit and take in the magic of listening to this. I’ve beloved memories of the weekend I spent alone as a tyke, and played this with the living room speakers while turning off all the lights in the house. Yes, the scare at the beginning of “Night of the Beast” is powerfully startling that way! I might’ve used a straw as a baton to conduct with while listening (likely influenced by the Mickey cartoon “The Band Concert”), but don’t quote me on that, I’d rather pretend kid me wasn’t that much of a dweeb. For the record, no composer before or since has gifted me anything nearly as rapturous as “Let’s Get Her/Rebirth”. Bespin, Tom Guernsey and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Kasey Kockroach said: One only notices reuse/“self-theft” when one seeks every score by a composer, which is not an advisable activity in most cases. 'One notices' reuse/self theft in Horner when one isn't deaf or a complete moron. Btw, this late 2019c recall of Horner/Newton Howard/Shaiman and Co. 90's romantic scores still gets me smiling at the sheer audacity of it's unabashed loveliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 If you generally only revisit to The Rocketeer and Land Before Time, not really. (Unless The Rocketeer features an appearance of the 'danger motif' I haven't noticed yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: If you generally only revisit to The Rocketeer and Land Before Time, not really. (Unless The Rocketeer features an appearance of the 'danger motif' I haven't noticed yet) Why not line up 'Vibes' vs. 'Deep Impact'? I'm sure there are even more precious examples, but i mean, come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Only saying that when in the mood to listen to, say, Horner, I tend to just revisit the favorites of mine (hence I named those particular two). I'm aware of, say, Wrath of Khan mating with Aliens, but I really only listen to the latter as I'm not a Trekkie. I used to own Wrath of Khan back when I felt obligated to own more soundtracks of composers I like, but gave it away as I recognized I never listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 If ALIENS is the first Horner score you listened to, I can understand how you can enjoy it. But, for those who grew up on WOLFEN and KHAN , it's unlistenable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I've listened to all three of those at least once, but can only remember cues from Aliens. I actually forgot Horner's Wolfen score is the replacement, I associate that movie more with Craig Safan's would-be contribution! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: If ALIENS is the first Horner score you listened to, I can understand how you can enjoy it. But, for those who grew up on WOLFEN and KHAN , it's unlistenable! And yet, I listen to it! Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Jerry Goldsmith - The Secret of Nimh James Newton Howard - Peter Pan James Horner- Avatar John Williams - HP & The Prisoner of Azkaban OST Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Double feature yesterday. The Perfect Storm - James Horner. Which led to my brother recommending Deep Impact. So. Much. HORNER. And I mean that in all the best and all the worst ways. I've said for a while that the nice thing about Horner is that if he did a 30 second moment in a film that flipped your world but it just wasn't enough, it's OK. Somewhere he turned it into a ten minute suite. These two scores simultaneously show that he was a total hack AND an underappreciated genius. I've never seen either of these movies. But now the movies that are in my head are better than anything that could actually have been made. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 BTW, at 3:50ish of Coming Home from the Sea... I would be astounded if this was not used to temp track Treasure Planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Bobby Jones Stroke of Genius by James Horner Never listenned to that one before and wow, this is exactly why I love Horner! It's so gentle, beautiful and so heartlifting. I don't know if there's much missing of it but would love an expansion of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, May the Force be with You said: Bobby Jones Stroke of Genius by James Horner Never listenned to that one before and wow, this is exactly why I love Horner! It's so gentle, beautiful and so heartlifting. I don't know if there's much missing of it but would love an expansion of it I think it was about this time i really lost patience with his never-changing formula. The album has more music than the picture, afair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, publicist said: I think it was about this time i really lost patience with his never-changing formula. The album has more music than the picture, afair. Sounds like Debney doing one of his Horner pastiches😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,472 Posted June 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2022 🤠 James Newton Howard - Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (Spotify) Ennio Morricone - Once Upon A Time in America OST Jerry Goldsmith - Chinatown OST John Williams - Raiders of the Lost Ark OST GerateWohl, Naïve Old Fart and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,979 Posted June 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2022 Star Trek II & III. A 125-minute playlist of two expanded programmes. It is one long score and it works wonderfully - bravado and excitement of Khan Are nicely complimented by the spirituality and emotion of Spock. I like how the Spock material emerges slowly over two scores and finally becomes the most important feature in the musical narrative. Karol Jay, Andy, Tallguy and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Bernard Herrmann's 111th birthday Herrmann/Velázquez - Endless Night Herrmann/Raine - Obsession Herrmann - Taxi Driver (expanded) Tom Guernsey and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,979 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Eye of the Needle. Penultimate film score from Miklos Rozsa is quite lovely. Although, I imagine in 1981 it must have felt really old fashioned. Karol Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Man, JNH was on fire on 2000. This one and Dinosaur are among my top 10 scores of his, and Vertical Limit was pretty good too. Unbreakable should be expanded, just like the rest of his Shyamalan scores. There's some bootlegs on the internet, but I'd love a carefully done complete edition. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,429 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Back to the Future part. II by Alan Silvestri Who Framed Roger Rabbit by Alan Silvestri Two of my favourite Silvestri scores, so fun and beautiful Bespin and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt C 452 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 The Man Without a Face - James Horner Just an exquisite little gem of a score. He knew how to hit the emotional sweet spot in dramas like these as well as the big players like Krull and Titanic. Naïve Old Fart, Edmilson and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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