#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 And Williams of 89 was very different then the Williams of 81.BTW, TOD was not done by the LSO and I don't hear people complaining about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 No I know it wasn't. ToD sounds as great as it does because the conditions and orchestra employed were superior to those used to record LC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 And also because it was a Botnick.I love all three scores and appreciate they went in different directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 And also because it was a Botnick.There's also that tiny detail, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0098567/filmotype/musicX20department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Who did LC? Armin Steiner?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The Boston Pops would have done a better job on LC than the studio orchestra employed did.Well, the BP recording of the Scherzo certainly has more awesomeness than the OST recording, but that's mostly due to a different interpretation and a different tempo (the latter an important factor, since it means that's just not how it was written for the film and thus couldn't have been performed this way on the OST).I adore the LC score. There's a solemnity to its mystic side that's not there in the other Indy scores. The set pieces are mostly awesome - Venice, the Tank music, the Scherzo, the Boat scene that was unavailable for so long... If anything, I find the prologue music to be a bit too over the top, but it's still great (and perhaps the cue that comes closest to the original Raiders score). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I notice TLC's sound is dangerously close to the sound of Superman IV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Tomorrow Never Dies by David ArnoldThis is great! While I enjoy (to various degrees) all the other five, this one is the most enjoyable. A great throwback and yet a very modern music. This is how you do an homage! Pity there isn't any album that would contain the whole thing. In the era of iTunes this is not a great problem though. Now I need to venture into John Barry's scores. I know some bits and pieces and I own Diamonds Are Forever. Where do I start?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 On Her Majesty's Secret Service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I now what problem do I have with all the sequels. Unlike Raiders, they are all too tongue-in-cheek. There is a lot of humor in the first score too, but it seems to be written for an entirely different kind of movie. Raiders score feels more like an Golden Age score or a war movie score (almost like Patton). It is an adventure music, but never goes overboard like the others do. The tension is real and the character is treated with some sort of...respect.Very nicely put. The humor is very, very different in Raiders...much more serious, which somehow makes it much more funny. The music reflects this. In TOD, I think it actually works okay for the score, which is far better than the film deserves. As long as you go in expecting an over-the-top, zany score, it's a fun ride, though Raiders will always be my favorite of the two scores. TLC's score also reflects the tone of the film, but I think it hurts this score a lot more, even though I like the film better than TOD. It feels so...self-congratulatory and jaunty and...I don't even know how to describe it. The best moments of the score are when it gets away from that bloated feel and offers true excitement, tenderness, sadness, horror, joy, or whatever. Anything that feels real, basically.Anyway, Raiders (the film and the score) is definitely in a whole different class than its successors, and I vastly prefer that class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think ToD is the worst of the original trilogy scores...well, the least awesome. The action music is not very focused, I find it just jumps from one theme to another, pasted together with an idea that could be a motif for the setpiece but we never end up hearing again. It's great music, but it doesn't compare to the action music from Raiders, LC, or even KotCS (and I realize that this is similar to the criticism Williams gets for his modern action music, but for some reason he is able to pull it off better than he was in ToD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Some parts of TOD feel like that to me, but a lot of it is more focused. And on a moment-to-moment basis, I find the action music to be a lot more focused and accessible than the action music in KOTCS, which is great at times, but often feels like a jumble of Williams' action music cliches of the 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Is Indy 4 a typical Williams of the 00's? Sure. But at the same time most of his scores (with a few exceptions) are full of cliches from his sound of any given era. I'm not saying it in a bad sense, of course. It's just a matter of which sensibilities do you prefer.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I prefer the ones that are enjoyable to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 And here lies the obvious problem, you see...Me too! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I think ToD is the worst of the original trilogy scores...well, the least awesome. The action music is not very focused, I find it just jumps from one theme to another, pasted together with an idea that could be a motif for the setpiece but we never end up hearing again. It's great music, but it doesn't compare to the action music from Raiders, LC, or even KotCS (and I realize that this is similar to the criticism Williams gets for his modern action music, but for some reason he is able to pull it off better than he was in ToD).Well, it did take you a while to come around to Superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 On Her Majesty's Secret ServiceFilm music just doesn't get any better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 LC>ToD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 ToD>tLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 KOTCS > LC > TOD > ROTLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 IDIOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 ROTLA = TOD >(not much) TLC > KOTCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 KOTCS > LC > TOD > ROTLAWow, I didn't think there was anyone who would admit to it. The scores are too close for me to rank, but this might be my order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I went to a dying branch of Borders yesterday and found a copy of 'Legend of the Guardians' on sale, and since I vaguely remembered some people liked it I bought it. Geez, what a wonderful fantasy score, great main theme in numerous variations, good secondary themes, frequent choir employment... I think this score has been woefully underrated. It's certainly not high art, but a great old-fashioned pleasure to listen to (in it's best moments like "Willow" or "Land before Time"... Now I have to listen to my second purchase, "How to train your Dragon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I went to a dying branch of Borders yesterday and found a copy of 'Legend of the Guardians' on sale, and since I vaguely remembered some people liked it I bought it. Geez, what a wonderful fantasy score, great main theme in numerous variations, good secondary themes, frequent choir employment... I think this score has been woefully underrated. It's certainly not high art, but a great old-fashioned pleasure to listen to (in it's best moments like "Willow" or "Land before Time"... Now I have to listen to my second purchase, "How to train your Dragon" Funny, the same thing happened to me at a Borders store yesterday! Got it for a total of $6.50. Really great considering only 2 days before I was bidding on a copy on Ebay, went up to $25, and still lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Funny, the same thing happened to me at a Borders store yesterday! Got it for a total of $6.50. Really great considering only 2 days before I was bidding on a copy on Ebay, went up to $25, and still lost.Well, that's luck; congrats :-). So while some people tried to exploit the strange marketing decision by Warner to only have a CD release at Borders by milking score fans on Ebay, there were still some copies gathering dust at the local stores... funny. So how do you like the CD? I was attempting to read a book while listening to the score the first time, but I was so distracted that I gave up and solely listened to the music in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 KOTCS > LC > TOD > ROTLAWow, I didn't think there was anyone who would admit to it. The scores are too close for me to rank, but this might be my order.I've got to admit that the alien sounds of KOTCS is the only music ever that has genuinely scared me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 KOTCS > LC > TOD > ROTLAWow, I didn't think there was anyone who would admit to it. The scores are too close for me to rank, but this might be my order.I've got to admit that the alien sounds of KOTCS is the only music ever that has genuinely scared me.I think you should listen to Jaws more! Or at least Alien. Or perhaps Mariah Carey.Admittedly, the alien/Skull music is by far the most interesting of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Shirley Koray can't be serious?If he is, well... God help us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Shirley Koray can't be serious?If he is, well... God help us all.I'm 100% sure he's serious. And proud of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I think you should listen to Jaws more! Or at least Alien. Or perhaps Mariah Carey.Admittedly, the alien/Skull music is by far the most interesting of the score.But Jaws is fun! With Alien I can't even remember most of the music... I'll give it another listen.My favourite parts of KOTCS are the skull music and the themes for the villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 KOTCS > LC > TOD > ROTLAWow, I didn't think there was anyone who would admit to it. The scores are too close for me to rank, but this might be my order.I've got to admit that the alien sounds of KOTCS is the only music ever that has genuinely scared me.You mean that "The Abduction Of Barry", doesn't make you fill your pants?!KOTCS > LC > TOD > ROTLAWow, I didn't think there was anyone who would admit to it. The scores are too close for me to rank, but this might be my order.I've got to admit that the alien sounds of KOTCS is the only music ever that has genuinely scared me.I think you should listen to Jaws more! Or at least Alien. Or perhaps Mariah Carey.Admittedly, the alien/Skull music is by far the most interesting of the score.I saw Mariah Carey once, up in the Birmingham NEC. She made a sound I would not want to hear twice in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Was I serious? The world shall never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 The MatrixThis is the complete score of course. Been a long time since I've listened to it, forgotten how good it is. I'm currently on The Matrix Reloaded and will listen to The Matrix Revolutions after this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,117 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 KOTCS > LC > TOD > ROTLAWow, I didn't think there was anyone who would admit to it. The scores are too close for me to rank, but this might be my order.I've got to admit that the alien sounds of KOTCS is the only music ever that has genuinely scared me.Also scary: Images (Williams) and Freud (Goldsmith) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Images is some seriously disturbing stuff. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Heartbeeps scared the living hell out of me. Just to think that in 1981 it was possibly a sign of things to come, a new brave era in JW's output... Scary indeed.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,117 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I listened to Heartbeeps today, and I find the strings in the End Credits to be achingly beautiful. I actually adore the score. Even with its quirks, and the film to which it is attached, it's got that special something that all Williams from that era have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 Barry's Abduction is quite chilling to a 9 year old, in 1977. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Battlestar Galactica: Season 4 by Bear McCrearyThis guy's pretty good.BTW I just noticed Bernard Herrmann's score from Vertigo is used in the latest Lady Gaga music video. If anything, this confirms he's still hip. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Is anybody here familiar with the score "Swashbuckler" by John Addison? And what do you think of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 It's a nice, lighthearted, fun "Swasbuckling" score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 What scores would you say its most similar to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 I honestly don't know what I could compare it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Battlestar Galactica: Season 4 by Bear McCrearyThis guy's pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 What scores would you say its most similar to?I saw this film in 1976. In the U.K., it was called "The Scarlet Buccaneer". I'd agree with Mark; I'm not sure how I would describe this score. Before I set out to post this, I YouTubed some of it. To me, it sounds like Western music. What I heard was nice, but did not linger long in the memory.For an alternate "swashbuckling" experience, try Philippe Sarde's "Pirates". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 For an alternate "swashbuckling" experience, try Philippe Sarde's "Pirates".I love that score!And I like the movie. Not nearly as bad as it's said to be. Matthau is brilliant. I want a Blu release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 For an alternate "swashbuckling" experience, try Philippe Sarde's "Pirates".I love that score!And I like the movie. Not nearly as bad as it's said to be. Matthau is brilliant. I want a Blu release.Right on, Marian. The film has "a certain charm", does it not? Walter Matthau is splendid in this. I'm not sure that you will understand this, but I couple "Pirates" with "Quick Change" - not in style, but in "feel", in vibe, but it's probably just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now