Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 15 minutes ago, bespinGPT said: This classic score turns 50 this year! Among the very greatest scores of the '70s, and of Jerry's career. An unqualified triumph. bespinGPT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 461 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Thor said: Ooooh, nice. Goldstein is really an unheralded composer, even within our small niche. Not familiar with that one, but SHOCKER is probably his most famous score. I also have fond memories of his wacky, eclectic music for UP THE CREEK with Tim Matheson. One of those random VHSes we sometimes rented as a kid. This is a great score with one of Basil Poledouris' best themes. I think Goldstein did the score and Basil the themes. This one is very close to Les Miserables: Been on a Barry kick recently with all the Bond talk. Not a Barry Bond fan (outside of The Living Daylights which I adore). Barry's muscular large-scale early 1990s sound is very under-appreciated. Folks compare some of his early 90s works like The Specialist to Bond - The Specialist is, pardon the very appropriate pun, much more special than Octopussy or A View to A Kill: The only aspect that takes this down is the bond-ian music, especially that terrible action riff that pauses to take a breath half-way through the action music - about 9:20 in the above - not very impressive. The themes and the sound is massive and expansive, and the jazz stuff is just brilliantly beautiful. Another Barry gem from that era is The Scarlet Letter which has some amazing choral stuff and perhaps the best Barry theme of all time, repeated (unsurprisingly) to no end even in the muscular stuff: filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 461 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Well, fuck. Nazis are not allowed. Chris Gordon full on Don Davis style hard core orchestral mayhem? Don Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,605 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Wow, I just remembered I tried to watch this movie twice about 15 years ago on DVD and on both occasions I fell asleep. 26 minutes ago, thestat said: Chris Gordon full on Don Davis style hard core orchestral mayhem? Don Davis? I liked your description. Will look for this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 461 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Eh, Chris Gordon - so fucking good: Let the music play out. Gordon is a symphonist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,171 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 5 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Among the very greatest scores of the '70s, and of Jerry's career. An unqualified triumph. Why is it unqualified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,452 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 41 minutes ago, Edmilson said: 1 hour ago, thestat said: Chris Gordon full on Don Davis style hard core orchestral mayhem? Don Davis? I liked your description. Will look for this score. Davis Style (or rather, Matrix style) isn't wrong; it was also my first initial when I first heard it years ago. 30 minutes ago, thestat said: Eh, Chris Gordon - so fucking good: Let the music play out. Gordon is a symphonist Aside from the Goldenthal horns and maybe even traces of the old Sainton score in this cue, Moby Dick is also clearly influenced by Bax's gorgeous Tintagel: Pay special attention to the horn melody at 1:25 in the Bax piece. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,875 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Aside from the Goldenthal horns and maybe even traces of the old Sainton score in this cue, Moby Dick is also clearly influenced by Bax's gorgeous Tintagel: Pay special attention to the horn melody at 1:25 in the Bax piece. I was a bit disappointed when I first discovered this the rest of the score is still pretty great. But it’s a pretty obvious rip if you know the Bax (especially as it’s probably Bax’s best known work). 8 hours ago, thestat said: Well, fuck. Nazis are not allowed. Chris Gordon full on Don Davis style hard core orchestral mayhem? Don Davis? This happened to appear in my playlist the other day and I forgot how great it was. Much more listenable than you’d expect from a film of that type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LSH 1,091 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 I just got home and I'm really fucking drunk. This will most definitely do. Naïve Old Fart, Jay and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,832 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 You and your everyday binges. You gotta leave something for the weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Oh, I don't know. I like a mid-week binge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 1,091 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 21 hours ago, Thor said: You and your everyday binges. You gotta leave something for the weekend! This WAS my weekend. I don't work Mon-Fri 9-5. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,796 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I am feeling Young today: Nosferatu The Core The Monkey King The Monkey King 2 The Piper Karol GerateWohl and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,814 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, crocodile said: I am feeling Young today: Nosferatu The Core The Monkey King The Monkey King 2 The Piper Karol You should go raise hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,796 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Tallguy said: You should go raise hell. What a splendid idea: Karol LSH, Andy and Tallguy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 5,401 Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 Le Grand Meaulnes - Philippe Sarde This is currently my favourite album. Wonderful score. And the emotional theme at the end has flavours of An Architects Dream. Lovely. Jurassic Shark, Thor and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 461 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 08/01/2025 at 8:57 AM, Tom Guernsey said: I was a bit disappointed when I first discovered this the rest of the score is still pretty great. But it’s a pretty obvious rip if you know the Bax (especially as it’s probably Bax’s best known work). This happened to appear in my playlist the other day and I forgot how great it was. Much more listenable than you’d expect from a film of that type. But for someone of Gordon's stature in the classical world in Australia, is this a bit of a Williams/Holst scenario or a Bill Conti/Holst bit? To me, this seems very much an acknowledged influence. And just showcases Gordon's orchestrational capabilities, especially as the Bax is okay as such, but it is so, so tedious. The Gordon kicks arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,452 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Hey, the Bax is wonderful! I've known the Gordon for about 20 years longer than the Bax, and it's not the entire score that's lifted from/strongly influenced by Bax, but I can imagine someone being bothered by it if they're familiar with the Bax and have freshly discovered the Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 461 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 But for someone of Gordon's stature in the classical world in Australia, is this a bit of a Williams/Holst scenario (ie. Mars is an influence) or a Bill Conti/Holst bit (Mars is the score)? To me, this seems very much an acknowledged influence if anything. And just showcases Gordon's orchestrational capabilities, especially as the Bax is okay as such, but it is not as impressive as the the Gordon kicking arse and taking names bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,875 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I don’t really mind the quote and it was probably intentional given his capabilities as an orchestral composer. Although like @Marian Schedenig, I really love the Bax piece… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,747 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Started the Lion King legacy collection. Is there anything Disney CAN do properly? The mastering sucks big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: Is there anything Disney CAN do properly? They can fuck things up, good and proper. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,952 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 There is no rule stating that we must always begin a score from the first track, so... Artificial Intelligence - Starting the expanded score with "Abandoned in the woods" Hook - Starting the expanded score it with "The face of Pan" HP and the whatever stone - Starting the expanded score with "Christmas Morning and The Invisibility Cloak" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LSH 1,091 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 This is so good. It's an absolute fucking travesty that he wasn't invited back. And I mean that. What a talent. SHAME ON THEM. Tallguy, Jay and Edmilson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsmoviemadness 3,731 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I still think sometimes of he situation with Kraemer happened with another composer. Kraemer was working for quite a few years and then ends up writing the best score of his career with M:I. After that, McQuarrie chooses another composer for the next films and Kraemer seemingly isn't able to get any more work after that. Has it ever happened with another composer that after their biggest and most succesful score, they basically disappear after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 14 minutes ago, tomsmoviemadness said: Has it ever happened with another composer that after their biggest and most succesful score, they basically disappear after that. Cliff Eidleman comes to mind. STAR TREK VI is a great score. He was on the cusp of something big, and then... Don Davis is another, and Craig Safan. tomsmoviemadness and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,814 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I am NOT listening to The Dark Crystal. (My "once I order a new version I don't listen anymore until the new discs arrive" ritual. I swear, Star Trek: The Motion Picture was tough.) Labyrinth - Trevor Jones (1986) Naïve Old Fart and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 LABYRINTH is a decent score, although not as good as THE DARK CRYSTAL. "Underground", on the other hand, is one of my all-time top-5 Bowie songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,883 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 42 minutes ago, Tallguy said: once I order a new version I don't listen anymore until the new discs arrive" ritual. That's not hard when you haven't got the discs yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,814 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 42 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: LABYRINTH is a decent score, although not as good as THE DARK CRYSTAL. Overall this is obviously true. But I'll put Sarah and Hallucination against anything in Crystal. 40 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's not hard when you haven't got the discs yet. But I have a previous version. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Jones' score for EXCALIBUR is good, as is THE LAST PLACE ON EARTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,875 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Tallguy said: I am NOT listening to The Dark Crystal. (My "once I order a new version I don't listen anymore until the new discs arrive" ritual. I swear, Star Trek: The Motion Picture was tough.) Labyrinth - Trevor Jones (1986) I'll have to give Labyrinth another listen as I have the same "not gonna listen until I get the new release" rule (unless my willpower fails me utterly...). However, LTK has royally fucked up my chronological listen of the ("official"/EON) Bond scores which I started a few weeks ago (except Dr No which I don't own but maybe should?! I remember it being crap). Today I got to AVTAK, so after TLD I will have to wait until I get LTK. I mean... seriously?! Typical. DAMN YOU LLL! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! THIS HAS RUINED MY LIIIIIIIFE!* *This is clearly a joke (but if it's not clearly a joke to you, then this is to inform you that it is, in fact... a joke. I am super excited for LTK and thank LLL for bringing us more Bondian goodness). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,814 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 18 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: I remember it being crap It is crap. 19 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: *This is clearly a joke (but if it's not clearly a joke to you, then this is to inform you that it is, in fact... a joke. I am super excited for LTK and thank LLL for bringing us more Bondian goodness). Thank you for the clarity. I vote that you should wait. I'm not super familiar with the film (I had it on DVD, I watched it so I could say "I have seen all of the Bonds"). But there was nothing in the score that I said "Hey, the CD is MISSING that!" But the amount of score on the CD is laughable. So, even if you caved can you really say that you "listened" to it? Really, your timing is excellent, isn't it? I don't know where you stand on the "Goldeneye is genius / Goldeneye is crap" divide, so why be in such a hurry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 GOLDENEYE is genius. A top-5 Bond score, for me. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 4,814 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: GOLDENEYE is genius. A top-5 Bond score, for me. Good man. We Share the Same Passions is so perfect. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 40,607 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 John Williams - Revenge of the Sith OMG. I get it. It took me 20 years, but I finally love this score. It really never clicked with me in all this time. I don't know why. Maybe because of my general dislike for the prequel films, and this one in general that cemented for me that the whole prequel thing was a massive failure. But now, with all the great fan edits out there that let you actually hear the whole score instead of just the OST album's selections... it finally clicked for me. There's SO MUCH good stuff in this score. I really like the tragic moments. Davis, Holko, Tallguy and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,952 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I am waiting for proper expansions to dive into the music of the prequel trilogy. Will I have to wait 20 more years? I can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,459 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 On 9/1/2025 at 10:49 AM, Thor said: You and your everyday binges. You gotta leave something for the weekend! Says the guy who listens to 10 soundtracks every day before breakfast. 36 minutes ago, Jay said: John Williams - Revenge of the Sith OMG. I get it. It took me 20 years, but I finally love this score. It really never clicked with me in all this time. I don't know why. Maybe because of my general dislike for the prequels films, and this one in general that cemented for me that the whole prequel thing was a massive failure. But now, with all the great fan edits out there that let you actually hear the whole score instead of just the OST album's selections... it finally clicked for me. There's SO MUCH good stuff in this score. I really like the tragic moments. I get what you mean. The only prequel score I frequently listen to is TPM. I dislike the prequels so much that I’ve never got to love the scores, which is a shame because if the OT scores didn’t exist, these would be JW’s masterpieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 5,483 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: Dr No .......I remember it being crap I've not heard it. The tracklist looks like mostly source music. Accurate? Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,875 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: It is crap. I feel I ought to have it to complete the collection but I'll live. However, listening to its immediate successor and always kinda forgetting that Lionel Bart wrote the song, From Russia With Love, it made me realise how little his contribution to the tone of Bond songs is recognised. It certainly doesn't sound out of place alongside Barry's songs. 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: Thank you for the clarity. Welcome. I would hate for there to be any misunderstanding. 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I vote that you should wait. I'm not super familiar with the film (I had it on DVD, I watched it so I could say "I have seen all of the Bonds"). But there was nothing in the score that I said "Hey, the CD is MISSING that!" But the amount of score on the CD is laughable. So, even if you caved can you really say that you "listened" to it? Really, your timing is excellent, isn't it? I don't know where you stand on the "Goldeneye is genius / Goldeneye is crap" divide, so why be in such a hurry? 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: Good man. We Share the Same Passions is so perfect. I will wait. I can start again with LTK and listen right through to NTTD. Although I may cheat and listen to the surprisingly decent videogame scores in the interim. I also have to now listen to Live and Let Die out of order as I managed to skip it (largely because I was relying on the track listing from the two "Bond: Back in Action" albums to guide me through the listen, but they don't include anything from LALD for some reason so I totally skipped it). However, I cannot share your enthusiasm for Goldeneye... sorry. I will listen to it again, just in case. I don't hate it, but if it weren't for a Bond film, I doubt I'd own it (although as I don't have Dr No that means I dislike it less than Dr No... somehow). I like some other Serra scores, but European synth pop (or whatever it is) isn't really my bag. Currently listening to Labyrinth... I forgot how much this is totally the opposite to the Dark Crystal and is all synthy. Think I prefer the songs (which is something I never thought I'd say). 2 minutes ago, Andy said: I've not heard it. The tracklist looks like mostly source music. Accurate? Yes, I believe so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 52 minutes ago, bespinGPT said: Will I have to wait 20 more years? I can do it. What are you? Like, 80? bespinGPT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,381 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Quite interesting score with good themes. Oh well, much better than most scores of today, that's for sure. Davis and Thor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,832 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Yeah, love that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 5,401 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 Yeah, I know. Jerry Goldsmith was a big musical pioneer and so on and did great experimental stuff. But I confess, I like him most when he is quite conventional like in this score. It has it all. The lyrical themes. The action. The drama. I really discovered the score at watching the movie. First I was irritated as the first half hour has almost no music at all. Then it gets really colorful. The first time I heard just the main theme it didn't do much for me. But the score is a grower. At least for me. At last I got the album. Davis, Jurassic Shark, Tom Guernsey and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,605 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Papillon is top 10 Goldsmith for me. Maybe top 5. 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: Quite interesting score with good themes. Oh well, much better than most scores of today, that's for sure. Is that Jim from The Office on the cover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,883 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Jim Titus. He does many covers. Davis and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,459 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Great score. Naïve Old Fart and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,883 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Ah, the film scoring debut of James Newton Howard. Andy, Naïve Old Fart and Davis 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,459 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Ah, the film scoring debut of James Newton Howard. Andy and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,861 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Ah, the film scoring debut of James Newton Howard. Eh? As far as I am aware, JNH did not score DUNE. It was orchestrated and conducted by Marty Paich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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