Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Return of the King Attack of the Clones Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Godzilla by Alexandre Desplat: I still can't get into this score. I keep wishing it was bigger, bolder and had some true orchestral carnage but how can 140 players and chorus sound so small.The dry recording is a disservice to the monumental complexity of the music and orchestration.I think I've finally identified Godzilla's primary theme. It can be heard in Track 1 at 0:28-0:52 and Track 20 at 0:00-0:20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Godzilla by Alexandre Desplat: I still can't get into this score. I keep wishing it was bigger, bolder and had some true orchestral carnage but how can 140 players and chorus sound so small.The dry recording is a disservice to the monumental complexity of the music and orchestration.That's true. They got a gigantic orchestra and it still sounds too small. It does allow for an excellent clarity but it loses a lot of the visceral impact it could have had. It's still a really good score though. One of 2014's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think you're all insane. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think you're all insane. Right back at you buddy. Right back at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 140 players and chorus sound so small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 140 players and chorus sound so small.Godzilla by Alexandre Desplat: I still can't get into this score. I keep wishing it was bigger, bolder and had some true orchestral carnage but how can 140 players and chorus sound so small.The dry recording is a disservice to the monumental complexity of the music and orchestration.Yeah it kind of does yes.I wish Goldenthal would have scored this particular film. His sound would have been spot on for this subject matter.Then again I have not seen the film so I don't know how well Desplat's score works in context. I do know there is a lot of mayhem but we see the monster for a very short period in the film itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Godzilla by Alexandre Desplat: I still can't get into this score. I keep wishing it was bigger, bolder and had some true orchestral carnage but how can 140 players and chorus sound so small.The dry recording is a disservice to the monumental complexity of the music and orchestration. That's true. They got a gigantic orchestra and it still sounds too small. It does allow for an excellent clarity but it loses a lot of the visceral impact it could have had. It's still a really good score though. One of 2014's best.I thought so, too. But then heard it performed by a smaller orchestra...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 What a great cover!My CD has the old cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing.No, a bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a *loud* thing. You folks, like amateur composers, assume heavy doublings result in louder volume. No! Often this deadens the sound, making it "broader" instead of louder. Ol' Alex surely knows this. Pope too. Size is more about color, not dynamics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Why couldn't a sound engineer be able to adjust the recording levels of individually recorded instruments or at least regions of the orchestra to simulate larger numbers of instruments? Otherwise having more of each instrument only matters if you have multiple parts of each instrument, ie first, second, third trumpets, which basically makes each part its own unique instrument. Of course, the more instruments you have, the greater chance of intonation you have, which definitely enhances the human element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing.No, a bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a *loud* thing. You folks, like amateur composers, assume heavy doublings result in louder volume. No! Often this deadens the sound, making it "broader" instead of louder. Ol' Alex surely knows this. Pope too. Size is more about color, not dynamics.Well then Godzilla is lacking in dynamics damn it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Whatever Godzilla is lacking in, it's certainly not dynamics... Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Then it is broken in other ways. Broken I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Leave Desplat alone!Don't you have some Composers Challenge to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Well it's one of the best orchestrated and recorded scores in recent memory if you ask me! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I thought the best bits were the quieter moments like when Dr Whatley's wife carks it and the family reunion at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Leave Desplat alone!Don't you have some Composers Challenge to make?I'll harp on 'Splat a while yet. I have time to kill.Vegas Aftermath from Godzilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Time to kill? Then what don't you go back to writing reviews?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Time to kill? Then what don't you go back to writing reviews?!Actually that is exactly what I am doing in between these attacks on 'Splat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Chamber Of Secrets is already 2 years late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Chamber Of Secrets is already 2 years late!Oh I'll get to that eventually but not at the moment. Other fish to fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing.No, a bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a *loud* thing. You folks, like amateur composers, assume heavy doublings result in louder volume. No! Often this deadens the sound, making it "broader" instead of louder. Ol' Alex surely knows this. Pope too. Size is more about color, not dynamics.When I heard it played by LSO back in December it didn't seem to have enough weight. Desplat's setup for the had for the soundtrack recording gave it certain ancient antiphonal feel (I'm probably terribly misusing those terms here). It's very propulsive and brutal. It's not quite the same if you play it with the standard sized orchestra. But they tried, bless them.Plus, someone for once uses taiko drums, a cliche of modern blockbuster, in a proper way.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The Hobbit? No one cares about that anymore!Doug Adams has that covered. One can only embarrass oneself when going up against his access to Shore and all the materials and fancy music edumacation.A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing.No, a bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a *loud* thing. You folks, like amateur composers, assume heavy doublings result in louder volume. No! Often this deadens the sound, making it "broader" instead of louder. Ol' Alex surely knows this. Pope too. Size is more about color, not dynamics.When I heard it played by LSO back in December it didn't seem to have enough weight. Desplat's setup for the had for the soundtrack recording gave it certain ancient antiphonal feel (I'm probably terribly misusing those terms here). It's very propulsive and brutal. It's not quite the same if you play it with the standard sized orchestra. But they tried, bless them.Plus, someone for once uses taiko drums, a cliche of modern blockbuster, in a proper way.KarolYeah I dig these drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The Hobbit? No one cares about that anymore!Doug Adams has that covered. One can only embarrass oneself when going up against his access to Shore and all the materials and fancy music edumacation.So what is it? A Williams score, I supposed? Give us a hint!It makes sixth sense that these unbreakable signs would point to the village where lady in the water is witnessing the happening of the last airbender struggling to decide which is his favourite planet after Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Is this going to be one big Newton Howard/Shyamalan collaboration review?Perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 40 000 words, I accept no less.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Before Jackson jumped a Hobbit, BloodBoal jumped a Snowy.Karoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I hope it doesn't disappoint, especially after all this time waiting for it!Will Inky pull a PJ? I wonder...You mix up analysis with review here BB. This is more of a retrospect review thingy, not track-by-track analysis of all these scores. It would take considerably longer to conceive such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing.No, a bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a *loud* thing. You folks, like amateur composers, assume heavy doublings result in louder volume. No! Often this deadens the sound, making it "broader" instead of louder. Ol' Alex surely knows this. Pope too. Size is more about color, not dynamics.When I heard it played by LSO back in December it didn't seem to have enough weight. Desplat's setup for the had for the soundtrack recording gave it certain ancient antiphonal feel (I'm probably terribly misusing those terms here). It's very propulsive and brutal. It's not quite the same if you play it with the standard sized orchestra. But they tried, bless them.Plus, someone for once uses taiko drums, a cliche of modern blockbuster, in a proper way.KarolBut... but the LSO is excellently versatile! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing.No, a bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a *loud* thing. You folks, like amateur composers, assume heavy doublings result in louder volume. No! Often this deadens the sound, making it "broader" instead of louder. Ol' Alex surely knows this. Pope too. Size is more about color, not dynamics.When I heard it played by LSO back in December it didn't seem to have enough weight. Desplat's setup for the had for the soundtrack recording gave it certain ancient antiphonal feel (I'm probably terribly misusing those terms here). It's very propulsive and brutal. It's not quite the same if you play it with the standard sized orchestra. But they tried, bless them.Plus, someone for once uses taiko drums, a cliche of modern blockbuster, in a proper way.KarolBut... but the LSO is excellently versatile!I don't think it has anything to do with that.But hearing them play Godzilla made me realise just why Desplat needed this excessively big orchestra in the first place.Karolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 And Blume jumped an admin! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 But sometimes have the tendency to become to chronological and complete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 But sometimes have the tendency to become to chronological and complete!C&C forever! Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Not as good as The Last Emperor or The Sheltering Sky but still a worthy entry in the Bertolucci/Sakamoto line up. It's a pity that the same can't be said about the film.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a good thing.No, a bigger orchestra isn't necessarily a *loud* thing. You folks, like amateur composers, assume heavy doublings result in louder volume. No! Often this deadens the sound, making it "broader" instead of louder. Ol' Alex surely knows this. Pope too. Size is more about color, not dynamics.When I heard it played by LSO back in December it didn't seem to have enough weight. Desplat's setup for the had for the soundtrack recording gave it certain ancient antiphonal feel (I'm probably terribly misusing those terms here). It's very propulsive and brutal. It's not quite the same if you play it with the standard sized orchestra. But they tried, bless them.Plus, someone for once uses taiko drums, a cliche of modern blockbuster, in a proper way.KarolActually, I wasn't a fan of the excessive taiko drumming in the score.The score's merit lies in how brilliantly its orchestrated. Leave Desplat alone!Don't you have some Composers Challenge to make?It's a work in progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A dream finally came true - being able to prepare an overlong WARLOCK suite, a score from Jerry Goldsmith's darkest days, no less. It still is no cause for celebration but in Intrada's new edition, there's some delicious spookiness and the fateful tick tocks (the score's sole claim to fame) are fun. No hungarian manglers this time (the credits list the Victorian Philharmonic Orchestra), but age-old convict colonies do not make for great session players, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The Sydney Symphony Orchestra would have handled it so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Melbourne rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Is it more versatile than the HSS, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Perhaps not, but surely they are more excellent in their versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 A dream finally came true - being able to prepare an overlong WARLOCK suite, a score from Jerry Goldsmith's darkest days, no less. It still is no cause for celebration but in Intrada's new edition, there's some delicious spookiness and the fateful tick tocks (the score's sole claim to fame) are fun. No hungarian manglers this time (the credits list the Victorian Philharmonic Orchestra), but age-old convict colonies do not make for great session players, either. Thank you for this, Pub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The Adventures of Tintin Angela's Ashes The Book Thief Cinema Paradiso Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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