publicist 4,643 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 SUFRAGETTE - Alex DesplatWhile being comfortably seated among Desplat's numerous drama scores, his second released score for 2015 like his first has to offer at least some interesting musical detours - mainly attributable to the Onward Female Soldiers spirit of the story. There is a steady pulse present, musically portraying the ever-growing alliance of women fighting for their rights. The harmonically unusual title theme (he wrung out an interesting version of the theme he gifted on Jolie's awful Oscarbait movie UNBROKEN) isn't developed quite enough and all too soon the dreaded standby's enter - static chords laying there to die, nondescript string dirges et al. - so SUFRAGETTE mainly suffers from the fact that you just don't need more than 3 cues (mainly tracks 1,5 and 13) to 'get' it. So it's worth a cursory listen though it's far from a great score. The as-of-yet unreleased TALE OF TALES remains a more promising candidate for a release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The Book Thief.I can honestly say that, of all the 'autumnly' scores Williams ever wrote, this is the weakest one. Williams has done similar scores before, but they were better.AlexandreIt's one of John Williams' plainest scores, though to be fair, the movie itself is one of the plainest Williams has scored. Even so, I still find it more entertaining and emotionally involving than most Desplat scores of similar scope and intent (The reason I make this comparison is because I believe Desplat would have scored the film had Williams not been interested).That would only be natural for someone who doesn't like Desplat in the first place. I, on the other hand, would probably have preferred the Desplat take, given that the material Williams wrote here doesn't do anything for me.Alexandre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The movie is so vanilla, it doesn't make a lot of difference on way or another. Probably Williams saw it and thought 'to hell with it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well Williams' The Book Thief while not his greatest score ever is still miles ahead of Desplat's polite efforts for many dramas he has scored. A bit too much of that kind has been the assembly line 10 scores/year stuff from the Gallic maestro. And contrary to your callous assesment pub, Williams was apparently genuinely impressed with The Book Thief and sought the assignment. I guess he made Percival an offer he could not refuse.Any chance of a score release for the Tale of Tales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,306 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I don't really delve into the scores that Desplat has written but I know he's about the only film composer that seems to appeal to me today*. Maybe not for the whole score but here are always moments during a film where I take pleasantly notice of the music. Heck, most of the time I don't even know it's Desplat that I'm hearing. I usually found out at the end of the movie that it was him again. Alexandre Des Cremers *No, I like Jonny Greenwood too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I don't really delve into the scores that Desplat has written but I know he's about the only film composer that seems to appeal to me today. Maybe not for the whole score but here are always moments during a film where I take pleasantly notice of the music. Heck, most of the time I don't even know it's Desplat that I'm hearing. I usually found out at the end of the movie that it was him again. Alexandre Des CremersWell I have to say I have become a huge fan of his over the years but he usually impresses me more with surprising stuff like Birth, The Ghost Writer or Love, Caution while this big efforts like Godzilla or Harry Potter leave me cold. Then there are things like Coco Avant Chanel that do not leave the slightest imprint on me.He has left an impression on the industry however, testified by the huge amount of Desplat knock-offs resulting from obvious demands to imitate his music used as temp track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So he's more exciting a talent than Giacchino, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So he's more exciting a talent than Giacchino, then?The way Giacchino has been doing lately I would say yes. I was not thoroughly impressed by any of his four scores this year. Much of his music feels like watered-down version of his childhood heroes, John and Jerry, but rarely rises to their heights. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So he's more exciting a talent than Giacchino, then?Much of his music feels like watered-down version of his childhood heroes, John and Jerry, but rarely rises to their heights.Agreed! But as you probably know, I would go further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,304 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 It is definitely one Williams' weakest scores. Competently written, as usual, but with nothing very interesting to say.I take it that you have not heard those swinging 60s comedy scores.I've heard some of them. Still doesn't change the fact that The Book Thief is the least interesting score he's written in a long time.So he's more exciting a talent than Giacchino, then?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 TBF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Somebody's a little dyslectic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 TBF?The Book Fiend. The Book Filcher. The Book Freer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The Book Friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Trial By Fire.A fellow Journey fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I was thinking Quest For Glory (formerly Hero's Quest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,304 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 TBF?I have no clue what you're talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Suuureee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Joe Kraemer - Mission: Impossible - Rogue NationCan't get enough of this great score. So many themes, so much fun orchestration, expert action and suspense music... this score has it all. Bring on the 2CD Complete Edition, LLL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Best score of 2015 so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I agree, actually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Not sure I would call it the best score of 2015, but it's definitely one of the best, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 What scores from 2015 are (potentially) better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 SPECTRE easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I was asking BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 And Jurassic World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Haha, Good one TGP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yes it is, better than the Kraemer score.Anyway, I'm frightfully sorry to have interrupted your exchange with BB on this public forum. I will allow him to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 And contrary to your callous assesment pub, Williams was apparently genuinely impressed with The Book Thief and sought the assignment. I guess he made Percival an offer he could not refuse.You mistake the movie for the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 What scores from 2015 are (potentially) better?The Man From U.N.C.L.E.: haven't listened to the OST yet, but the score worked extremely well in the film and I think it could be a serious contender for best of the year.The Force Awakens: 'nuff said.SPECTRE: haven't listened to that one properly yet. Not really sure what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 WTF???Me and Steef said MI5 is the best score of the year so far.You say no, its not!I ask what is better, and you list 3 scores you haven't even listened to yet!?!?!?I mean, wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I have listened to The Man Form U.N.C.L.E. in the film.Regarding SPECTRE, I did listen to a few tracks here and there.TFA is Johnny. What could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yeah BB. Off your medication again?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The Man From UNCLE is my favorite so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yeah BB. Off your medication again?!?skyy38 stole it from me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Like Ant-Man, I listened to the OST and didn't see what all the fuss was about. I'll revisit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Really liked it? It's fun, but hardly anything to get excited about. It's lacking a strong main theme, for one. It's among the best that 2015 has to offer, but wouldn't even make a top 100 list of all scores ever made, or a top 15 of SilvestriMy favorite scores of 20151. Mission Impossible Rogue Nation2 Tomorrowland3 Inside Out4 Jupiter Ascending5 Jurassic World6 Wolf Totem7 Age of Ultron (Danny's parts - still haven't listened to Tyler's!)8 The Walk9 Pan10 Fifty Shades of GreyOnly those first 7 scores I've listened to a dozen times or more. The others are good scores that warranted a few listens but don't get me super excited. The Walk is really fun, though. Pan maybe I'll like more once I see if the film.Still a lot more I need to hear, like Living In The Age of Airplanes, Southpaw, The 33, Star Wars, In The Heart of the Sea, Crimson Peak, The Good Dinosaur, Goosebumps, Spectre, probably othersI've also heard Ant-Man, Man from UNCLE, Spy, Kingsman, and Bridge of Spies, and none of were anything special to me, but I plan on giving each another chance soon for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,304 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Skyfall by Thomas NewmanIt's better than I remember it. I think it's aged quite well. Still too long in album form, but this is very good stuff. Bond steeped in the suave Newman tradition, and it all works! Aside from RCP-ish moments, there's some very excellent action writing here as well (The Bloody Shot is brilliant!). I'll definitely take this over bloated Arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thomas Newman - SkyfallComplete and total meh. I'll never understand all the attention and love this score gets. This was probably my fifth time trying to get into this score and it failed once again. The album is incredibly boring. The electronics are very awkwardly used (does not mesh with the orchestra at all) and the James Bond Theme is also not integrated well at all. It's almost like Newman's going "ok the director wanted the James Bond Theme to play here, so here it is. That's over now? Great, now back to my score".One of the things that make's Tomorrow Never Dies great is that it completely stands alone without the Bond ties. If you remove every instance of the James Bond Theme from that score, you still have a great action adventure score anchored by a very strong main theme and several sub themes. In Skyfall, if there are any themes at all, I couldn't tell you after five listens. I think this score only gets the attention it does because it's an entry in a long-running franchise that has fans of multiple generations and the movie was great. If the Bond theme was removed and this exact same score was used for some random action movie that came out that no one saw, nobody would talk about this score.Despite this, I will listen to SPECTRE now with an open mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Fun juxtaposition between your reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Bah, SPECTRE's not on SpotifyWay to go, Sony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I'm back in the saddle. All Williams all the time. Today, the marathoning began with the Star Wars Trilogy Anthology in order discs 1-4, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom complete score and Jurassic Park: 20th Anniversary Loundess-warred version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Magnificent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Thomas Newman - SkyfallComplete and total meh. I'll never understand all the attention and love this score gets. This was probably my fifth time trying to get into this score and it failed once again. The album is incredibly boring. The electronics are very awkwardly used (does not mesh with the orchestra at all) and the James Bond Theme is also not integrated well at all. It's almost like Newman's going "ok the director wanted the James Bond Theme to play here, so here it is. That's over now? Great, now back to my score".One of the things that make's Tomorrow Never Dies great is that it completely stands alone without the Bond ties. If you remove every instance of the James Bond Theme from that score, you still have a great action adventure score anchored by a very strong main theme and several sub themes. In Skyfall, if there are any themes at all, I couldn't tell you after five listens. I think this score only gets the attention it does because it's an entry in a long-running franchise that has fans of multiple generations and the movie was great. If the Bond theme was removed and this exact same score was used for some random action movie that came out that no one saw, nobody would talk about this score.Despite this, I will listen to SPECTRE now with an open mind!Yeah, I think people latch on to the score because of how awesome the movie was. The score has its moments ("Brave New World," "The Bloody Shot," and the first half of "The Moors" are great), but for the most part it's just a generic modern action score. How's SPECTRE? I'm waiting for the movie to listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,304 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I disagree. Skyfall might not be to everyone's tastes, but it's hardly generic.SPECTRE gets closer to that description though. Jilal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 It is definitely one Williams' weakest scores. Competently written, as usual, but with nothing very interesting to say.At least he didn't name the end cue "The iMac Scene." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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