Jurassic Shark 12,012 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I like Signs, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, crocodile said: I could never quite understand your admiration for JNH. What is so special about his music? Other than about half dozen of his score (all of which happen to be the first six Shyamalan collaborations), it is a real a chore to finish his albums. Most of his scores are fine...but merely workmanlike. Help me understand. Obviously he convinces a lot more people of his value, given his influence on mainstream scoring. His most obvious quality, that he's able to write a JNH score that's decidedly his and while there is, through sheer quantity, a lot of negligible stuff he is the last one of the 'musical' composers out there, meaning one who can write a great tune and, too seldom, great set pieces that stand on their own feet, and often is very attractive harmonically. How many other film composers today can meet those standards? But like with Thor in the other thread i will supply you with a fair estimation of his work since 2000: Dinosaur: good, two standout pieces, The Egg Travels and The Courthsip Unbreakable: brilliant, standout pieces Visions, Weightlifting, The Wreck and Reflection of Elijah Vertical Limit: fair, recommended pieces 3 Years later I Wanna Do This Atlantis: The Lost Empire: great, several epic cues i would recommend are The City of Atlantis, The Crystal Chamber and Just Do It America's Sweethearts: no idea Big Trouble: no idea Signs: brilliant, all of it Unconditional Love: no idea The Emperor's Club: Thomas Newman rip off, negligible if pleasant Treasure Planet: colourful, recommend The Launch, Silver Leaves and Jim Saves The Crew Dreamcatcher: fair, a continuation of the MNS scores but not essential Peter Pan: a bit too Potterish, but with some great cues, Flying, Learning To Fly, Come Meet Father and Fairy Dance Hidalgo: all-around great The Village: dito Collateral: nah The Interpreter: nah Batman Begins: the two or three softer cues he did contribute stick out like a sore thumb but feature wonderful string writing King Kong: king of his big blockbuster scores, though tends to get a bit lost in the repetitive action scenes, melodic material is top-notch Freedomland: the cue Freedomland RV: no idea Lady in the Water: masterpiece Blood Diamond: within restrictions a good 'world music' score, standouts sure are London and Solomon Vandy The Lookout: nah Michael Clayton: nah I Am Legend: a few great pieces, Evacuation, Reunited among them The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep: Horner-ish fantasy score with a great main theme, Main Title, Swimming, second half of The Net Charlie Wilson's War: eclectic stuff, the cue Turning The Tide is interesting (Händel) The Great Debaters: Horner-ish, recommend James' Failure, And the Winner is Mad Money: no idea The Happening: as usual a few great pieces, though the Suite at the end might suffice The Dark Knight: nah Defiance: often typical pathetic Zwick scoring, standouts are Tuvia Kisses Lilka, The Bielski Brothers Confessions of a Shopaholic: no idea Duplicity: nah It's Complicated: nah Nanny McPhee & The Big Bang: negligible children's score Salt: blockbuster action, one standout is Chase Across Dc The Last Airbender: two brilliant cues, the Overture and Flow Like Water Inhale: no idea Love & Other Drugs: no idea The Tourist: nah Larry Crowne: no idea Water for Elephants: very good main theme (Circus Fantasy), but a bit too square on the whole The Green Hornet: loud and boorish, one ok chase cue, Car Chase 2 Gnomeo & Juliet: nah Green Lantern: nah The Hunger Games: negligible, Rue's Farewell is ok-ish Snow White and the Huntsman: split; too much noise, but a great main theme, best heard in Sanctuary and White Heart The Bourne Legacy: nah After Earth: nah The Hunger Games: Catching Fire: a handful nice cues but... Parkland: double nah Maleficent: Horner-ish, some great cues, i. e. Maleficent Flies Nightcrawler: good, inventive, Lou's Inspired Pawn Sacrifice: nah The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 1/The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 2: a handful nice cues but...last cue is enough, There Are Worse Games To Play / Deep In The Meadow / The Hunger Games Suite Concussion: nah The Huntsman: Winter's War: jolly good new main theme, too much blockbuster noise in between,You Shouldn't Walk in Shadows, The Children Arrive, Ravenna's Embrace Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: too Potterish, but the wealth of material features some great stuff, A Man and His Beasts and Kowalski Rag rule Detroit: no idea Roman J. Israel, Esq.: interesting first cue, no idea Jurassic Shark and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 You know his work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It's like being in a dream or something. There's truth but no logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 God, not those JNH OSTs again. They certainly were a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 The difference between Pub's taste in scores and ours is that we have some. They're rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Denise Bryson said: It's like being in a dream or something. There's truth but no logic. Who did these? Someone "Newton Howard". He won't amount to a thing. Trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 At least they were cheap. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Try as he might, to enlighten us to JNH, Pub has forgotten to mention his magnum opus, the astounding (if a little Copelandesque, at the end) GRAND CANYON. No, I'm not joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,012 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It can't be better than Signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It can, and it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,012 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 What's the highlights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Listen to his use of color there. Isn't he great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, Richard said: Try as he might, to enlighten us to JNH, Pub has forgotten to mention his magnum opus, the astounding (if a little Copelandesque, at the end) GRAND CANYON. No, I'm not joking. Last time i looked that was pre-2000. 34 minutes ago, Philippe Roaché said: God, not those JNH OSTs again. They certainly were a waste of money. That's why you only listen to selections on Spotify, silly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Spotify free is kinda terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It's 9.99 per month. But compared to the money saved it's peanuts. Especially for sampling stuff before shelling out serious dough it's a blessing. As we talk JNH i absolutely agree that for all the fine work he puts out, you need only a fraction for pure listening purposes. Jurassic Shark and James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 'Bout half, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Pub, you miss nothing, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I even gained! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I just got a modded version of Spotify with the premium features. Oh, an honest thief. We have an honest thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Romeo and Juliet (Abel K) An enjoyable listen even though I'm generally not a fan of minimalist piano arpeggios. It has solid melodic material and an attractive mix of piano, solo voice, choir, and a chamber-sized (I think) orchestra. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, publicist said: Last time i looked that was pre-2000. I know, but it's still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Romeo and Juliet (Abel K) An enjoyable listen even though I'm generally not a fan of minimalist piano arpeggios. It has solid melodic material and an attractive mix of piano, solo voice, choir, and a chamber-sized (I think) orchestra. I still have nothing on the Horner. What a world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Still plenty of places it could be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 The last 10 Horner scores sound like a good place to look, but alas...i still want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I put the Horner in the coat... I put the coat on her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 A Horner score. A very rare Horner score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 You know, the same thing happened to Geraldo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 5 hours ago, crocodile said: I could never quite understand your admiration for JNH. What is so special about his music? Other than about half dozen of his score (all of which happen to be the first six Shyamalan collaborations), it is a real a chore to finish his albums. Most of his scores are fine...but merely workmanlike. Help me understand. Karol Idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Oh but Koray. Good of you to come. I'm listening to The Post for the first time. It's pretty boring, to be honest. It's like it was composed by a Williams music generator app. You can hear bits and pieces that are along the lines of much superior JW scores. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I'm trying to get through TLJ OST and I'm having the same issue I had with the score in film. It's very specifically assigned to the film and experienced strictly as music, it's an awkward listening experience. Every track is just all over the place with extensive leitmotif with one theme leading into the next connected by rather uninteresting and random filler. The proven themes are rarely even put through any permutations to differentiate them from what we've heard before. This score never gets a chance to breathe, you know? TFA wasn't as Mickey Mousey and had me hooked from the start. This one is very trying. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 The finale and end credits are all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Even the end credits are kind of a scattered mess of themes. I'm not too keen on this style of JW score. It's a disappointment. The weakest SW score by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 ROTS remains the weakest score. TLJ is awesome! Taikomochi and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Every word of what you just said was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 War Horse, Amistad, Schindler's List. Bon dimanche! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Surely one of the best fantasy scores ever (for an uneven but at times quite enchanting movie courtesy of Spielberg protégé Matthew Robbins) it might typically a bit too Northian for some (meaning its advanced harmonic vocabulary, eschewing traditional romanticism in favour of more modern composing techniques) but its a damn fascinating listen. The LLL is essential. Nick Parker and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Denise Bryson said: The finale and end credits are all you need. I press play at Crait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,979 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Defective disc, eh? Wolf Totem by James Horner. Not that there is anything particularly striking about it but it remains one of my favourite Horner albums of this century. A perfectly balanced album has a lot to do with that. Plus the fact that stylistically it sits comfortably somewhere between his gargantuan-sized ethnic dramas and children fantasy scores. It's epic in places but also light-hearted enough to be perfectly digestible. Karol James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I really like The Last Jedi's score, and I enjoy it more with every listen, but I do get the sense that John Williams is taking a more laid backor "detached" approach to these newer movies...he said when composing the original, he thought it was a fun kid's movie that would be a good time for a few weekends, but you wouldn't believe that from the score he wrote. With the newer ones, I have an easier time believing it. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 A doomed score. John Barry was hired to score this rotten Universal potboiler about an autistic child helping Bruce Willis to uncover a government conspiracy after he cracks a top secret government code. An exercise in Bondian slowness, it was a wonder the Guv'nor wasn't rejected wholesale - a trend that sadly had become the norm by then - but only in the more action-y scenes that panicked execs, probably thinking such approach might frighten the patrons (Carter Burwell provided the Goldsmithian honours). It's not a highlight in any shape or form, but still surprising after all these years how different a movie like this seems for a composer having a distinctly off-the-wall style. Barry's sorrowful, weighty writing signifies depth where there isn't any and while he doesn't offer any new or specific idea to make 'Mercury Rising' more than a tired retread, it ironically still exposes how hollow the movie is. A historical artifact, really, which makes both more interesting than they have any right to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,472 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 A great Varèse Sarabande John Williams compilation mixing tracks conducted by him and some by other conductors. Great Composers: John Williams (1999, Varèse Sarabande, VSD 6047, Compilation) Music composed and conducted by John Williams: End Credits (from Presumed Innocent); End Credits (from Stanley & Iris); Main Title (from The Cowboys). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,979 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Might be the best Horner out there: Karol Naïve Old Fart and Marian Schedenig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 The Agony and The Ecstasy (1965) - Alex north and Jerry Goldsmtih I discovered in the middle of the album that the prelude suite was by Goldsmith! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 hours ago, crocodile said: Might be the best Horner out there: Karol @crocodile there's no "maybe" about it. He's not composed a finer score and, sadly, he never will. For me, this is career-peak Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,713 Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 Memoirs of a Geisha by John Williams: I simply love this score and it really sounds like Williams was pushing himself to new areas with it, combining Western orchestral colours with the Far East in a setting that blends them near perfectly. The soloists, Ma. Perlman and of the Japanese instruments contribute immensely to this score. John Williams: Themes and Transcriptions for Piano by John Williams (soloist Simone Pedroni): This is a really terrific compilation of Williams' wonderful melodies transcribed for solo piano and it has been in a steady rotation for me after I bought it last autumn. Great playing and great arrangements. Taikomochi, crocodile and James 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,979 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, Richard said: @crocodile there's no "maybe" about it. He's not composed a finer score and, sadly, he never will. For me, this is career-peak Horner. When it comes to expanded deluxe editions this is probably on top of my most wanted list. Karol Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,490 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Yes. It would be interesting to compare the OST with the film versions. Also, I want the complete "party" music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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