What Is The Last Score You Listened To? (older scores)

[Bespin 8,480]

HomophoNic! HA!

 

I'm still in my "last sides" challenge. I don't think it works well for every composers, John Williams really have this talent of building an apotheosis in his scores... It's in the writing, I remember having read somewhere that he usually score the ending of a movie first. The movie and the director still has to allow this kind of culmination...

[LSH 968]

 

 

One of the finest scores of the 90s. 

[Indianagirl 298]

[filmmusic 1,827]

Lethal Weapon 2 (Michael Kamen) [complete score]

I think, having listened to Lethal Weapon too, that these scores aren't for me and can't stand on their own.

Besides a 3 chord descending motif in the strings, I cannot discern any themes. Are there any?

Also, I haven't listened to the osts. Are the tracks there concert arrangements and make it a better listening experience? Or are they edits of the cues from the complete film score?

[Holko 9,525]

Careful, MV will ban you from buying any LLL releases.

 

@filmmusic, I was thinking of this beauty:

 

[filmmusic 1,827]

On 01/01/2023 at 11:19 PM, LSH said:

 

 

One of the finest scores of the 90s. 

Do we know who wrote what?

Strange that 3 composers were needed. I wonder why...

[Jay 37,353]

30 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Do we know who wrote what?

 

1m01 Opening (3:54)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
1m02 Naval Weapons Depot (4:17)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
2m03 Baby Gas (2:26)	Harry Gregson-Williams
2m04A Romance #1 (0:19)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
2m05 Tour's Over Bob (3:29)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Don Harper, Steven Stern
3m06 Hummel Speech - Alcatraz Reopened (2:25)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
3m06A Hummel's Demands To Pentagon (1:21)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
3m07A Possible Romantic Cue (0:46)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
3m08 Mason Montage (1:24)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Steven Stern
4m09 San Francisco Montage (1:17)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Russ Landau
4m09A Interrogation (1:02)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Steven Stern
4m10 Quarter (0:41)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Steven Stern
4m11 Window Crash - Fairmont (2:07)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Steven Stern
5m13-14 Haircut - Escape: The Chase!! (8:22)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Don Harper
6m15 Goodspeed Tracks Jade (0:49)	Harry Gregson-Williams
6m15A Jade (1:59)	Nick Glennie-Smith
6m16 Blueprints (1:06)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
7m17 Hummel - SEALs (7:14)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
7m17 END INSERT Hummel - SEALs (Insert) (1:56)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
8m18 Mason Into Furnace - SEALs Tunnel (1:14)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Don Harper
8m18A SEAL Attack (3:32)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Steven Stern
8m18A REDO v1 SEAL Attack (Alternate I) (1:37)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
8m18A REDO v2 SEAL Attack (Alternate II) (1:31)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
8m18B SEAL Attack 2nd Half (4:52)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
9m18C Aftermath (0:49)	Harry Gregson-Williams
9m19 Bombs (3:43)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
9m20 The Morgue (1:52)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
10m21 PT1 Indiana Jones - Fight With Marines Pt 1 (2:12)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
10m21 PT2 Indiana Jones - Fight With Marines Pt 2 (4:12)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
11m22 Hostage - Goodspeed Captured (5:35)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
11m23 Plasma Bomb Is Ready (0:51)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
12m24 PT1 Hammer Head Pt 1 (4:10)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
12m24 PT2 Hammer Head Pt 2 (1:54)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
12m25 President's Lament (1:57)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
13m26A Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 1 (5:28)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
13m26B PT1 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 2 (3:07)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
13m26B PT2 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 3 (2:26)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
13m26C PT1 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 4 (2:37)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
13m26C PT2 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 5 (3:24)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
15m27 Fort Walton, Kansas (1:37)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
15m27 ALT Fort Walton, Kansas (Alternate) (1:40)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Action Theme (2:42)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Main Theme - Gentle (1:59)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Pastorale (1:25)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Main Theme - More Developped And BIG (2:27)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Portent Theme To Noble Theme (2:47)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Mystery To Love Theme To Bell Theme (3:35)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - In The Dark Place (2:04)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Theme That Builds (1:25)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Theme That Builds With Groove (1:50)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - A Simple Victory (2:51)	Nick Glennie-Smith
Suite Demo Idea - Guitar Study (1:53)	Nick Glennie-Smith

 

 

Source: https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/104/project/2046

 

That site also has the album assembly listed:

 

1	Hummel Gets The Rockets	1m01 Opening (Edited) 1m02 Naval Weapons Depot (Edited)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
2	Rock House Jail	2m05 Tour's Over Bob (Edited) 3m06 Hummel Speech - Alcatraz Reopened (Edited) 7m17 Hummel - SEALs (with Insert) (Edited)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Don Harper, Steven Stern Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
3	Jade	6m15A Jade	Nick Glennie-Smith
4	In The Tunnels	8m18 Mason Into Furnace - SEALs Tunnel (Edited) 8m18A SEAL Attack (Edited) 8m18B SEAL Attack 2nd Half (Edited) 10m21 PT1 Indiana Jones - Fight With Marines Pt 1 (Edited) 10m21 PT2 Indiana Jones - Fight With Marines (Edited)	Nick Glennie-Smith, Don Harper Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Steven Stern Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
5	Mason's Walk - First Launch	11m22 Hostage - Goodspeed Captured (Edited) 12m24 PT1 Hammer Head Pt 1 (Edited) 12m24 PT2 Hammer Head Pt 2 (Edited)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
6	Rocket Away	13m26A Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 1 (Edited) 13m26B PT1 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 2 13m26B PT2 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 3 (Edited) 13m26C PT1 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 4 13m26C PT2 Mission's Over - Final Attack - Finale Pt 5	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
7	Fort Walton, Kansas	15m27 Fort Walton, Kansas	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
8	The Chase	5m13-14 Haircut - Escape: The Chase!! (Edited)	Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Don Harper

[Naïve Old Fart 9,520]

How, in the name of Zeus' butthole, did that happen?!

[Thor 7,495]

Did what happen?

 

This has been Zimmer's model for decades now, from Remote Control, Media Ventures and beyond. The whole mentorship thing whereby he composes a main theme, and some of his students do other bits in his scores.

 

THE ROCK is a masterpiece.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,520]

I was just joking.

[Edmilson 7,436]

So to summarize NGS and Zimmer did most of the work, with HGW joining in some cues.

[HunterTech 992]

1 hour ago, Edmilson said:

So to summarize NGS and Zimmer did most of the work, with HGW joining in some cues.

 

I believe NGS was originally the only composer, as just about all the suites are his. And yet somewhere along the road, HZ and HGW came on board and gave us the score we got. That seems to be a model Michael Bay liked doing earlier on, if Armageddon and Bad Boys II are basically examples of this as well.

[filmmusic 1,827]

 

Poledouris in medieval mode.

Not as good as, let's say, Conan (Poledouris' masterpiece), but still quite good.

I haven't seen the film for ages, and I don't remember anything of it. Maybe I'll watch it tonight...

I'm between this and Rocky II (I watched Rocky the other night).

[Bespin 8,480]

Continuing my "B sides" thematic. I'm not nostalgic about the sound of a LP, just their concept.

 

Hans Zimmer.

 

[filmmusic 1,827]

Dragonslayer (Alex North)

Some of the best orchestrations and textures I've ever heard in a film score.

But... as I've said in another thread, there aren't any recognizable themes which I would expect from such a film (although I have not seen it).

I would die to see the written score though from the likes of Omni Music Publishing, Neumation or Chris Siddall.

[Tallguy 3,386]

14 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Some of the best orchestrations and textures I've ever heard in a film score.

 

There are a lot of people who hate the thing. (Not me.) It's not an easy score to get in to.

[Andy 4,123]

 

 

 

Today’s listen:

 

I wholeheartedly unconditionally love this score.  It’s unconventional and just damn interesting.  Unpopular opinion, but I’m glad Horner didn’t do it. I don’t think I could get through his identical end credits a third time. 
 

There is something incredibly charming about this underappreciated score.  Rosenman somehow taps into TOS brass sonics, but adds his own lovable heroic flourishes, especially towards the finale with “Kirk Freed”.  It’s just remarkable that a sci-fi juggernaut franchise allowed the Ballad of the Whale scene to play out to that glorious cue.   What a great score!

[filmmusic 1,827]

on @Thor's advice, I listened to Simonsen's Wish I was Here.

Nice, but simple, maybe on the verge of being simplistic too.

[Tallguy 3,386]

8 hours ago, Andy said:

 

 

 

Today’s listen:

 

I wholeheartedly unconditionally love this score.  It’s unconventional and just damn interesting.  Unpopular opinion, but I’m glad Horner didn’t do it. I don’t think I could get through his identical end credits a third time. 
 

There is something incredibly charming about this underappreciated score.  Rosenman somehow taps into TOS brass sonics, but adds his own lovable heroic flourishes, especially towards the finale with “Kirk Freed”.  It’s just remarkable that a sci-fi juggernaut franchise allowed the Ballad of the Whale scene to play out to that glorious cue.   What a great score!

 

A wonderful choice.

 

There's one flourish that Rosenman re-uses but somehow people think Star Trek IV and Lord of the Rings have identical themes. (Lord of the Rings sounds like a WWII march. Judging by the number of people who think this sounds like Christmas music, this does not.)

 

I would argue that this score sounds the most like a TOS score of all of the Star Trek films. Maybe that wasn't what the fans wanted after the all-you-can-eat feasts of Goldsmith and Horner. (Ok, no maybe about it.) It's more Duning than Steiner to be sure.

 

This is the Goldeneye of Star Trek. Goldeneye has Ladies First and this has Hospital Chase. (Maybe Chekov's Run.) Two tracks and it's a "funny score". The rest of the score is actually pretty serious.

 

I don't think anyone made Courage's Main Theme sound better. Not that many tried. OK, I love the end of Star Trek III as well.

 Yes, yes, the Captain's Logs in TMP are great. OK, nobody made the theme sound better as dramatic underscore!

 

I wonder what Horner would have done with this film? (Nobody has every wondered that, you know.) On the one hand he seemed done with Star Trek. On the other hand this would have been such a different movie for him than the other two films that this could have been quite the capstone. On the other other hand I've never heard that he and Nimoy had a great relationship and Nimoy emphatically didn't want him.

 

Did Horner ever do three movies of anything?

 

Anyway, great choice!

[Jay 37,353]

24 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

Did Horner ever do three movies of anything?

 

Avatar probably would have been his first and only trilogy

[crocodile 8,010]

 Tomorrow Never Dies (LLL). Huuuuuge improvement over previous releases.

 

Karol

[Andy 4,123]

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

I don't think anyone made Courage's Main Theme sound better. Not that many tried. OK, I love the end of Star Trek III as well.

 Yes, yes, the Captain's Logs in TMP are great. OK, nobody made the theme sound better as dramatic underscore!

 

 

Also the Alternate Main Title with the Courage Theme is surprisingly effective, if a little shoehorned for an 80s cinematic style, but it works really well.

 

 

1 hour ago, Tallguy said:

I wonder what Horner would have done with this film? (Nobody has every wondered that, you know.)

 

I imagine he'd play up the comedy with his jazzy comedic toolbox.  A little Cocoon, Batteries Not Included.  The Market Street cue the Yellowjackets did would've been 48 Hours Commando steel drums.  The action would be more of the same.  

 

I mean, I ADORE Horner, but I also love the longing feeling of Rosenman's Spock motif.  And the Kirk theme really has heart to balance all the tone pyramids.

[crocodile 8,010]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

Avatar probably would have been his first and only trilogy

Well, the way his scores are "interconnected", it's probably safe to say he scored the longest running film series in history.

 

Karol

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

37 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Well, the way his scores are "interconnected", it's probably safe to say he scored the longest running film series in history.

 

Perhaps we should start looking at those films, as films, from their scores' perspective and analyse them all as being part of the Hornerverse.

[filmmusic 1,827]

2 hours ago, filmmusic said:

on @Thor's advice, I listened to Simonsen's Wish I was Here.

Nice, but simple, maybe on the verge of being simplistic too.

and continuing with The Spectacular now.

Again, nice, but I don't know.. those indie-like stuff, sound simple to me in terms of melody/harmony..

[Thor 7,495]

Simple, perhaps. Great, yes. But perhaps not to your taste. I think maybe THE AGE OF ADALINE might be more up your alley. A bit more traditional.

[filmmusic 1,827]

53 minutes ago, Thor said:

 I think maybe THE AGE OF ADALINE might be more up your alley. A bit more traditional.

Ok, listening now...

 

edit: I'm halfway through. yeah, somewhat better... But still there isn't anything grabbing my attention. 

[Thor 7,495]

That's OK. We can't all like the same things.

[Richard Penna 3,686]

The Da Vinci Code

 

Almost all 2 1/2 hours of it. Zimmer made, as usual, a brilliantly-playing album but damn, the full score is really good too.

 

Angels & Demons is also nice in complete form, with a bit more action. Unfortunately the same can't be said for Inferno, which is the most headache-inducing, droning pile of themeless electronic junk I've heard from Zimmer (or whoever actually did it) in a while. I mean, the film is also really terrible so it's not like there's any good reason to listen to it anyway.

[Jay 37,353]

6 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

I mean, the film is also really terrible so it's not like there's any good reason to listen to it anyway.

 

What does a film being good or bad have to do with wanting to listen to its score?

[Richard Penna 3,686]

Well, if the film isn't something you want to watch, you don't have to listen to the music in context.

 

In contrast to a film you like having a score you hate. It was mostly a commentary on surprisingly how much I hated both the score and film, after really liking both for A&D.

[Faleel 5,347]

11 hours ago, Tallguy said:

. (Lord of the Rings sounds like a WWII march. Judging by the number of people who think this sounds like Christmas music, this does not.)

 

 

 

 

It's those bell-like fanfares man

[LSH 968]

 

I've not listened to this in full since years ago. It truly is Howard's standout score of the 90s (tied with Wyatt Earp). Given that it was a last minute job, this is his 'King Kong of the nineties', and it's just as much a spectacle.

 

Couple of great themes, superb action music, and the Swimming cue is a JNH best - I'm so glad he re-visited some of those textures later in his career, notably in Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Raya And The Last Dragon.

 

Stunning piece of work.

[Bespin 8,480]

Ok you finally got me about Waterworld.

 

I just purchased a used copy of the OST. 10 bucks, that the right price.

 

I never listened to it.

[Jay 37,353]

It's easily my favorite JNH score, and it's not even close

[Thor 7,495]

Just now, Jay said:

It's easily my favorite JNH score, and it's not even close

 

Same here. Not only that, it's in my top 10 list of favourite scores of all time.

[filmmusic 1,827]

Yeah, top 5 JNH for me! 

3 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

Same here. Not only that, it's in my top 10 list of favourite scores of all time.

Is there a thread anywhere about top 10 - or what - lists of favourite scores of all time?

I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Thor 7,495]

3 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Yeah, top 5 JNH for me! 

Is there a thread anywhere about top 10 - or what - lists of favourite scores of all time?

I'd be interested in seeing it.

 

Probably, yeah, I can't remember. But the very first episode of Celluloid Tunes I did -- way back in 2013 -- was about this subject. It's in Norwegian, but you can click the playlist to see (it's in reverse order....first is number 10, tenth is number 1). But that's just my list, of course. 

[filmmusic 1,827]

30 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

Probably, yeah, I can't remember. But the very first episode of Celluloid Tunes I did -- way back in 2013 -- was about this subject. It's in Norwegian, but you can click the playlist to see (it's in reverse order....first is number 10, tenth is number 1). But that's just my list, of course. 

Beyond Rangoon is in your top 10 scores of all time?

Haven't heard it, I guess I should.

 

 

Brokeback Mountain (Gustavo Santaolalla) [Academy Promo]

I have warmed up to this little score, comparing to my first impressions back when I had first heard it.

It's a nice, moving score, which you can feel better when you're in a certain melancholic mood.

Still, I think Memoirs of Geisha should have won the Oscar!

[Thor 7,495]

21 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Beyond Rangoon is in your top 10 scores of all time?

Haven't heard it, I guess I should.

 

You should definitely check it out. Try YouTube, I don't think it's on Spotify. Not sure it's your thing, and not expecting you to have the same reaction as I did and do, but it's one of the most important scores in my life and -- by FAR -- my favourite Zimmer. Would love to talk to Zimmer about it some day; let's see if an opportunity opens at some point.

 

21 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Brokeback Mountain (Gustavo Santaolalla) [Academy Promo]

I have warmed up to this little score, comparing to my first impressions back when I had first heard it.

It's a nice, moving score, which you can feel better when you're in a certain melancholic mood.

Still, I think Memoirs of Geisha should have won!

 

It's brilliant score, deserved Oscar winner, IMO. It's simple, but conveys so much.

[filmmusic 1,827]

45 minutes ago, Thor said:

You should definitely check it out.

I'm just listening. I'm more than halfway through. It's quite good.

It's odd that old Zimmer sounds so refreshing to my ears comparing to the new Zimmer.

Anyway, still for me my favourite scores of his are The Lion King and The Thin Red Line.

[Thor 7,495]

5 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

I'm just listening. I'm more than halfway through. It's quite good.

It's odd that old Zimmer sounds so refreshing to my ears comparing to the new Zimmer.

Anyway, still for me my favourite scores of his are The Lion King and The Thin Red Line.

 

I'm with you. There have been a handful of spectacular scores post-2000, but nothing comes close to his 80s and 90s efforts, IMO. And BEYOND RANGOON stands towering above them all. Don't even get me started talking about that.

[Thor 7,495]

 

Gorgeous score and album, from 2015. Smooth jazz cocktail lounge that is perfectly suited for your hosted dinners. Not that strange: Vardøen is -- in addition to being a composer and director -- a famous restaurateur here in Norway. Fantastic trumpet solos by the world-renowned Nils Petter Molvær.

[Bespin 8,480]

@Thor posting nudity again on JWFAN... for changing. 

 

You know, my "B-sides" current crave? Well it doesn't work at all with Jerry Goldsmith.

 

His B-sides are quite ordinary.

[Tallguy 3,386]

20 minutes ago, Bespin said:

@Thor posting nudity again on JWFAN... for changing. 

 

You know, my "B-sides" current crave? Well it doesn't work at all with Jerry Goldsmith.

 

His B-sides are quite ordinary.

 

For Gremlins and Innerspace his B side was all we got. Hmmm. I didn't have a lot of Goldsmith LPs. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is an amazing B side. A and B are like two different films!

[Bespin 8,480]

19 hours ago, Tallguy said:

 

For Gremlins and Innerspace his B side was all we got. Hmmm. I didn't have a lot of Goldsmith LPs. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is an amazing B side. A and B are like two different films!

 

I tend to prefer Jerry Goldsmith's A-Sides.

 

"The Enterprise" makes a great ending track for the first side!

 

I don't want to implies that Goldsmith gets sloppy in his finales, but clearly he had another approach than John Williams. It's striking. 

 

Williams clearly (and he said it many times) always begin by writing the ending of a movie first. Well it shows.

[filmmusic 1,827]

City Hall (Jerry Goldsmith)

Score on auto-pilot, but still better than most scores of today.

[crocodile 8,010]

 The 'Burbs. I've not heard this score before nor have I seen the film. This is really good. It's the kind of comedy writing I can get behind - well structured and executed with class. Despite some really short cues, the score flows extremely well. I will be revisiting this often.

 

Karol

[filmmusic 1,827]

1 minute ago, crocodile said:

 The 'Burbs. I've not heard this score before nor have I seen the film. This is really good. It's the kind of comedy writing I can get behind - well structured and executed with class. I will be revisiting this often.

 

Karol

The film is quite good too. You should see it. It's in my summer programme nearly every year.

[Tallguy 3,386]

1 hour ago, filmmusic said:

The film is quite good too. You should see it. It's in my summer programme nearly every year.

 

It was completely unavailable for a few months (in the U.S. on digital anyway). But it's apparently on Netflix now!