Taikomochi 1,136 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Another problem is Voldemort. He's barely in these films. Fiennes has one full scene in the previous film with dialogue. None in the one before....Eh, I'm not gonna complain about that. I'd rather he was a character in the background. I mean, how many scenes did the emperor have in Star Wars? And he was frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 That's why LotR are such excellent adaptations - they offer something different than the books. Rowling probably wouldn't let them get too creative The LotR films have superior source material.I watched the trilogy a couple of months ago and was amazed how much was actually changed from the books. It's not like I think these are the masterpieces of storytelling, but they've done a lot of carefull work on adapting these things. And it still feels like everything they added, expanded upon or just moved, belongs to the books.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Because Tolkien wrote those to be a cultural mythology. Therefore they lend themselves better to extrapolation and change. Rowling wrote her books to cha-ching. And intellectual property laws defend her work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 It's not like there is anything wrong with that. She didn't steal anything from anyone. Not counting time, of course.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romantico 0 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Harry Potter has such a huge fan base they would be foolish not to release a box set. I've already heard rumors that a DVD box set is expected around Christmas. They did it for Lord of the Rings and the Indiana Jones films,I can't believe they won't do a box set of the soundtracks. Question is,when? Now would be a good time but maybe they are planning a Holiday release. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Yes, but it would have been nice to have "Hedwig's Theme composed by John Williams" next to Desplat while his music is actually playing when the credits start rolling. I mean this theme appears quite a lot in the score (I think about 12 times, not counting tracked material) Captain America: The First Avenger by Alan SilvestriKarolOk, the only JW theme about people speak is cited is Hedwig's Theme. Aren't there any renditions of other JW themes? What about Harry's Theme, the Family Theme, Voldemort's Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 No... just Hedwig's theme. And the family theme in "Leaving Hogwarts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 And the theme that opens Harry's Wondrous World is used in the movie.What material did they use that was exclusive to COS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 And the theme that opens Harry's Wondrous World is used in the movie.That's the B section of Hedwig's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 No it's the theme that opens Harry's Wondrous World.To me it's a sepereate theme from Hedwigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 I think music theory disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Did anybody else think it was a little strange when McGonagal sent ALL of Slytherine into the dungeons? I don't remember if it was in the book or not, but it reminded me of the USA's Japanese interment camps in WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 There was a war on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 No it's the theme that opens Harry's Wondrous World.To me it's a sepereate theme from Hedwigs.Yet, still it is still the B-section of Hedwigs Theme that opens Harry's Wondrous World, not the Opening of Harry's Woundrous World, that appears as the B-Section of Hedwig's Theme...... Yes, that makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 In your mind maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Ok, the only JW theme about people speak is cited is Hedwig's Theme. Aren't there any renditions of other JW themes? What about Harry's Theme, the Family Theme, Voldemort's Theme?Nope, only that one, the tracked tracks from Williams scores and a small snipped of Hooper's Dumbledore's Farewell (also tracked).Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 No it's the theme that opens Harry's Wondrous World.To me it's a sepereate theme from Hedwigs.Williams wrote that melody for use in the trailers, back before he ever penned "Harry's Wondrous World." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 No it's the theme that opens Harry's Wondrous World.To me it's a sepereate theme from Hedwigs.Yes I see it that way as well. I call this theme Harry's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 It is still the castle theme .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 It is still the castle theme .... Alright . So the Castle Theme isn't there in DH2, pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 ... Yes, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 This marks a day that shall live in infamy, no longer will the board be filled with posts concerning Williams scoring another HP film when it was obvious he wasn't going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 But they might always ask him to rescore Hooper's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 STOP IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If they ever make The Tales of Beedle the Bard, I sure hope Williams will score it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I've heard that he composed a special suite with a bunch of new themes for the end credits, but the producers thought it sounded too "old-fashioned" so it remains unreleased, sadly. Supposedly, it was material Williams specially wrote for the Battle of Howgarts.However, FilmComposer911 and Conrad Pope have confirmed it will performed in an upcoming concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I've heard that he composed a special suite with a bunch of new themes for the end credits, but the producers thought it sounded too "old-fashioned" so it remains unreleased, sadly. Supposedly, it was material Williams specially wrote for the Battle of Howgarts.However, FilmComposer911 and Conrad Pope have confirmed it will performed in an upcoming concert.Is this true or are you mocking?If they ever make The Tales of Beedle the Bard, I sure hope Williams will score it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 But it is, that's what i'm telling you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 It is still the castle theme .... Alright . So the Castle Theme isn't there in DH2, pity.The castle theme *is* your so-called "Harry's Theme", *is* Hedwig's Theme B-part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Did you notice Desplat also composed a castle theme of sorts?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Is that the theme in "Courtyard Apocalypse" and "A New Beginning"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Yes. And in couple of other tracks. Not stunning, but it's there.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Anyone who thinks of that melody as being anything other than a part of Hedwig's theme should consider how the two melodies end - identically. It's just the second part of the theme, and Williams sometimes used it (to amazing effect) on its own, often over establishing shots of Hogwarts. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 No Nixon's theme is a B theme of The Imperial March? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Well, they come from the same score, and Nixon's theme comes right after the Imperial March in the concert suite, so I say yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 John will score the next set of the Hogworts stories. Scorpious Malfoy and the Cabinet of Curiosities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 or "Harry Potter and the Crippling Student Loans" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 or "Harry Potter and the Crippling Student Loans"no, no more Harry Books, it only works with other characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I wish she would do a Young Dumbledore series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 452 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I'm listening to DH2 again, and it's growing on me. I really like how "Neville the Hero" and "Showdown" worked in the film.Still not as good as Part 1, but as a finale, it's effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I agree with you, especially after viewing the film. A particular cue that has gotten some extra listens is "Broomsticks And Fire". The music is superior to Part I in my opinion, and fit well in context of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I just saw the movie. It totally lived up to my expectations and beyond.A few thoughts (SPOILERS AHEAD!!!):Overall:- The movie is much better edited than the few predecessors. It's like Yates finally found his rhythm. The movie is very faithful to the book, much to my satisfaction.Specific scenes:- Alterations from the book: - Almost none of them, unexpectedly, did bother me. Most of them were even ingenious. - I loved the boat house sequence. It's much better than Shrieking Shack. I just missed a wide shot in this scene. - Neville saving the day felt completely right- Few minor things I didn't like: - why didn't they just show Bellatrix' wand at Gringotts? They had it! - The pensieve looks like an ufo. - The very last scenes of the trio when Harry breaks the elder wand, they felt abit out of place. - The epilogue is quite embarrassing and unnecessary. It would have been a nice surprise if they would have left that scene out out. Just a wide aerial shot of Hogwarts would have done. - Snape's thoughts were now tears. - The Snape memories were a bit rushed and I didn't like the child actors so much. Also it would be wonderful if they would have had the Snape memory from OotP in the montage!! - Voldemort's death is the only scene that felt unsatisfying. You don't realize what exactly is going on and suddenly he is gone, and becomes confetti. Confetti! What I really liked:- There are some kick ass scenes. Really kick-ass, such as: - Harry stepping forward as Snape speaks to the students. - McGonagall vs. Snape - Escape from Gringotts, wow! - Did I mention the boat house scene? - Helena Ravenclaw, even without the back story. - As much as I hate his interpretation, this is Michael Gambon's best movie as Dumbledore. - Last but not least: Voldemort: he feels much more real, you can feel his fear now, his increasing weakness, yet still he shows he is the most powerful dark wizard ever at the right moments. Oscar worthy material. I loved his reaction to Potter escaping at the courtyard, and the following confrontations between him and Harry.The music:- Alexandre Desplat is no John Williams. Not technically, but also not regarding the flow of music. Yet this is one of his best scores to date. The music is much better than Part 1. Desplat at moments even imitated Williams in style, e.g. in the vault scene and during some of the battle scenes. Also there is much more music, more underscore, which felt good. The main problem is that Desplat lets the tension go too quickly, e.g. after the dragon escape, but most obviously after the pensieve scene when Harry is contemplating. Music here was absolutely necessary.- JW's theme is used properly and although I am a hardcore JW fan, and to my own surprise, I felt more of it wasn't needed. I do think however that because of its use, this film finally felt like a HP movie again.Conclusion:- We must be happy that we have had Potter movies of this quality. All of the critique should be seen in perspective. It all could have been much worse!- I am a big fan of the very first movie. This one is a close second, if not the best of them all. It pushes 95% of the right buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 - why didn't they just show Bellatrix' wand at Gringotts? They had it!Didn't Olivander say it is dangerous to use at the beginning of the film? Maybe they were afraid it could somehow betray them in some way. Or whatever...- Voldemort's death is the only scene that felt unsatisfying. You don't realize what exactly is going on and suddenly he is gone, and becomes confetti. Confetti! Yeah, it is very sudden. Didn't get what happened at first.- As much as I hate his interpretation, this is Michael Gambon's best movie as Dumbledore. Yes.- McGonagall vs. Snape It was a bit too short though.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 - Neville saving the day felt completely rightIt felt awfully wrong to me. Just-in-time ... that was such a cheap thing to do.- The epilogue is quite embarrassing and unnecessary.I found it a perfect end.Leave it out and millions of people simultaneously scream in terror.- As much as I hate his interpretation, this is Michael Gambon's best movie as Dumbledore. Because he wasn't in it ...?Honestly, only two minutes or so, you can't compare that to any other Potter film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 - why didn't they just show Bellatrix' wand at Gringotts? They had it!Didn't Olivander say it is dangerous to use at the beginning of the film? Maybe they were afraid it could somehow betray them in some way. Or whatever...The goblins knew it was an intruder, I think the request for her wand was meant to stall and/or disarm the intruders.- Neville saving the day felt completely rightIt felt awfully wrong to me. Just-in-time ... that was such a cheap thing to do.Yeah, I definitely would've preferred Neville killing the snake after he gave that speech to Voldemort. Or better yet, skip the speech, pretend he's turning to the dark side, get an awkward hug from Voldemort, and then kill Nagini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 - Neville saving the day felt completely rightIt felt awfully wrong to me. Just-in-time ... that was such a cheap thing to do.It could well be, Neville was already lurking from behind some rocks and just waited for the right moment.- As much as I hate his interpretation, this is Michael Gambon's best movie as Dumbledore. Because he wasn't in it ...?Honestly, only two minutes or so, you can't compare that to any other Potter film.He doesn't have much screentime, but some of the key scenes of the entire series. His conversation with Snape is very intense, and Gambon finally shows some dignity in his acting.Same for the King's Cross "heaven" scene. He finally shows some honest interaction with Harry (although it still feels miles away from Richard Harris' warmth) and a little bit of the characteristic Dumbledore humor.Most important thing he isn't running around like an old wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 - Neville saving the day felt completely rightIt felt awfully wrong to me. Just-in-time ... that was such a cheap thing to do.Yeah, I definitely would've preferred Neville killing the snake after he gave that speech to Voldemort. Or better yet, skip the speech, pretend he's turning to the dark side, get an awkward hug from Voldemort, and then kill Nagini.Or better yet: give the speech, kill the snake and kill Voldemort. And Harry says: "It's good a get this Deus Ex Machina option in every movie".Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 - McGonagall vs. Snape It was a bit too short though.Yes I agree, it was hardly a duel, but those few seconds were awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,988 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Gotta love Maggie Smith. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 - Neville saving the day felt completely rightIt felt awfully wrong to me. Just-in-time ... that was such a cheap thing to do.Yeah, I definitely would've preferred Neville killing the snake after he gave that speech to Voldemort. Or better yet, skip the speech, pretend he's turning to the dark side, get an awkward hug from Voldemort, and then kill Nagini.Or better yet: give the speech, kill the snake and kill Voldemort. And Harry says: "It's good a get this Deus Ex Machina option in every movie".KarolI am happy there is not so much Deus ex Machina as there could have been. I mean, most of the savings are explained.O btw guys did you hear professor Slughorn explain his lack of initiavive by the fact that he couldn't find his wand? I think that was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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