Trent B 337 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 "Up The Wire" is 27 seconds long...not sure what you mean by the cue lasting 17 seconds.I mean that to my ears the second half doesn't sound as part of the same cue.For "Taking Off" how it's presented on the U.E. is cut up and looped. How it's presented in my set is correct.I wouldn't even think that how you present the cues is "incorrect". It IS the best available set. I'm just saying that there is a small, but noticeable silence in the edit of that cue that shows that it's not 100% complete."Great Duel (Part 2) / Crash Landing" is presented as how it should be. Jesse Harlin (music editor for the games) even confirmed that with me.How the other track is..that is how it should be. There's a track in Jedi Powers that presents it that way but is laced with sound effects but I did the edit to match that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 "Great Duel (Part 2) / Crash Landing" is presented as how it should be. Jesse Harlin (music editor for the games) even confirmed that with me.Meaning that the games included 100% of the music that Williams recorded for that cue?How the other track is..that is how it should be. There's a track in Jedi Powers that presents it that way but is laced with sound effects but I did the edit to match that....How it should be = as Williams intended, including all the recorded music?http://www.jwfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/09-Take-To-Your-Ships-The-Big-Army-Taking-Off.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 "Great Duel (Part 2) / Crash Landing" is presented as how it should be. Jesse Harlin (music editor for the games) even confirmed that with me.Meaning that the games included 100% of the music that Williams recorded for that cue?How the other track is..that is how it should be. There's a track in Jedi Powers that presents it that way but is laced with sound effects but I did the edit to match that....How it should be = as Williams intended, including all the recorded music?http://www.jwfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/09-Take-To-Your-Ships-The-Big-Army-Taking-Off.mp3For "The Great Duel (Part 2) / Crash Landing" yes, the games provided the whole cue. The Phantom Menace computer game actually was the first game to provide it.For the second part of your question...yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 For the second part of your question...yes...I think that the little interruption in the middle of this clip clearly shows that the cue is not complete.http://www.jwfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/09-Take-To-Your-Ships-The-Big-Army-Taking-Off.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 No, it clearly indicates that multiple sources were used.Or that you have someone else's edit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Correct. Unfortunately the music in video games is not always in coherent quality. TPM, Racer and Jedi Power Battles are the lower end, while more recent games like TOR are up the higher end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 For the second part of your question...yes...I think that the little interruption in the middle of this clip clearly shows that the cue is not complete.http://www.jwfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/09-Take-To-Your-Ships-The-Big-Army-Taking-Off.mp3This is part of The Big Army. I'm sure that bits of this remain unreleased - it was trimmed down considerably for the OST and although various bits have appeared in games none of the presentations have been comprehensive.6M7pt2 (Duel Continued) is complete as represented on the original 1999 Phantom Menace game, with the piccolo overdubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,265 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 6M7pt2 (Duel Continued) is complete as represented on the original 1999 Phantom Menace game, with the piccolo overdubs. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I believe we have actually had this posted by Trent before: he asked Jesse Harlin and he confirmed to Trent that was what was in the cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Jesse Harlin confirmed it for me, remember?Edit: Ninjad by Gistech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Jesse Harlin confirmed it for me, remember?Edit: Ninjad by Gistech.Yes. That. Also used in one or two TPM teasers in that configuration. Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,265 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Cool, sorry I don't remember all these things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 No, it clearly indicates that multiple sources were used.I'm sure that bits of this remain unreleased - it was trimmed down considerably for the OST and although various bits have appeared in games none of the presentations have been comprehensive.Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,624 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I'm still sure there's little bits missing, though fan edits are probably close to the complete score as it should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 More than likely. We won't know for certain without complete sheet music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 So listening to the rear channels of the Podrace deleted scene, does anybody notice that it seems to be only the synth instruments!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 So, I was bored and decided to rip the 2.0 documentaries on the Prequel DVD's and see what music was in them, this is what I found:The First Kiss:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9UmZTYXZOUlJZNUU/view?usp=sharingRainy Ramp:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9U0VSeWFMa1U3ejg/view?usp=sharingFinding the Conveyor:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9YVJIVWRnT3pXbjA/view?usp=sharingWhat cue is this statement of Vader's theme from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The toll bell in "Padme's Funeral"... is that source material or meant to be a part of the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The tubular bells at the start? They're part of the score. The chimes in the first unreleased middle bit are SFX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 What cue is this statement of Vader's theme from?https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZkRyYlVaTHowNDQ/preview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The tubular bells at the start? They're part of the score. The chimes in the first unreleased middle bit are SFX.Okay, thanks. I was referring to the bell at :21 in the clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 What cue is this statement of Vader's theme from?https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZkRyYlVaTHowNDQ/previewHard to tell to be certain for sure but it sounds like it might be from "Carbon Freeze". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The tubular bells at the start? They're part of the score. The chimes in the first unreleased middle bit are SFX.Okay, thanks. I was referring to the bell at :21 in the clip. Now I have a time to go off, I can say definitely that those bells are part of the music. That specific part is found clean in The Force Unleashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The tubular bells at the start? They're part of the score. The chimes in the first unreleased middle bit are SFX.Okay, thanks. I was referring to the bell at :21 in the clip. Now I have a time to go off, I can say definitely that those bells are part of the music. That specific part is found clean in The Force Unleashed.Thanks! I've heard the bells in every edit I've listening to, but I wasn't sure if the source was from the DVD/Blu-ray or if a clean version existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Just came across something truly bizarre on Spotify: a horrible, cheap cash-in album of Star Wars music based on a combination of synth mockups and second-rate orchestral performances, complete with live applause and sloppily cut off tracks. But there is something interesting: a complete performance of Duel of the Fates with its original instrumentation. I remember that we found most of this in game files, but as far as I know the last minute or so never surfaced. Maybe I'm wrong. But anyway, here it is:The Star Wars Singers & Orchestra – Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Just came across something truly bizarre on Spotify: a horrible, cheap cash-in album of Star Wars music based on a combination of synth mockups and second-rate orchestral performances, complete with live applause and sloppily cut off tracks. But there is something interesting: a complete performance of Duel of the Fates with its original instrumentation. I remember that we found most of this in game files, but as far as I know the last minute or so never surfaced. Maybe I'm wrong. But anyway, here it is:The Star Wars Singers & Orchestra – Star WarsThere's only a small transition missing in the middle. You could get all of it from the Obi-Wan video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,265 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm a bit behind the times... what does "with it's original instrumentation" mean?Was DOTF written and recorded one way, then completely rewritten (or just re-orchestrated) and recorded again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'm a bit behind the times... what does "with it's original instrumentation" mean?Was DOTF written and recorded one way, then completely rewritten (or just re-orchestrated) and recorded again?Ya it was recorded at least two or three different times. The Obi-Wan game files has a different version of it.Edit: It's too bad that piece on spotify is in mono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 How different is the different version? Does it contain new bits of music alltogether, or was only the instrumentation changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Basically more percussion, and just more driving performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Well, Ebobulator once said that it seems that all of the percussion for the three Prequel scores, not just ROTS, appears to have been recorded separately from the rest of the score. I'm inclined to agree here when you hear certain percussionless sections that otherwise perfectly match the versions with percussion.The version of DOTF on the album and used in the films definitely has different orchestration though (for instance, in the original, the clarinets performed the underlying ostinato whereas in the album the violas take that part instead), so it's possible that the additional percussion simply wasn't recorded for that version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Actually I said I think we could assume that the percussion for TPM and AOTC were recorded separately. We all ready knew the percussion for ROTS was recorded separately when the recording session information started appearing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The first take of "Duel of the Fates" had orchestra and choir recorded simultaneously. The final take, aside from differences in orchestration, also had the choir and orchestra recorded separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 It's more likely they recorded it separately but mixed it together when the first mixes were done (which is essentially what the music in the video games are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oskar 77 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 What does "Gelb" mean?I guess it's a reference to Peter Gelb, who was head of Sony Classical back then. I guess Williams indicated "Gelb" because it's likely Sony requested a specific version to be released as a single.You are correct.In Gelb’s study, there is a poster for “Fantasia 2000,” signed by Roy Disney, and a sheet of music signed by John Williams and headed “The Gelb Version”—an iteration of the music Gelb commissioned from Williams for “Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.”source: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/10/22/man-behind-the-curtainI'm guessing the person who wrote this either mistook Episode II for Episode I, or Williams wrote a 'Gelb version' for TPM as well (DOTF? Anakin's Theme?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,265 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I would guess the author of that article just messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 With the new Battlefront game taking place exclusively in the OT timeframe, it's looking highly unlikely that any unreleased Prequel music will show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Who knows? They could still use PT music inappropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 So, I was listening to the Tatooine source music, and I was wondering, could "Street Band of Mos Espa" and "Desert Winds" be the same music, but with the former having instruments removed?I'm guessing the person who wrote this either mistook Episode II for Episode I, or Williams wrote a 'Gelb version' for TPM as well (DOTF? Anakin's Theme?). Perhaps the TPM arrangment of the End Credits from the original Star Wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They share the same beat but there is different instrumentation between "Desert Winds" and "Street Band Of Mos Espa". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They share the same beat but there is different instrumentation between "Desert Winds" and "Street Band Of Mos Espa".To my ears, it sounded the same but with the extra woodwinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordskylark 1 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 They probably just had one long source music track and used fragments from it in various portions.But since the so-called Ultimate Edition only had the film stems, then they would have used the portions of that source track which appeared in the scenes in the film.They share the same beat but there is different instrumentation between "Desert Winds" and "Street Band Of Mos Espa".To my ears, it sounded the same but with the extra woodwinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commando501 0 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 ImagineA collector's box with all tracks: D ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 533 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 ImagineA collector's box with all tracks: D ~~I'd pay a good amount of money for it. Been dreaming about a box like this for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Is this a clean opening to the ROTS end credits at 0:55 or some kind of edit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,509 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 An edit - skips a little over 2 bars.Btw am I the only one who gets popping at around the 1:00 mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Tasker 21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 ImagineA collector's box with all tracks: D ~~I'd pay a good amount of money for it. Been dreaming about a box like this for many years. Ditto. Theres also some alternates that we never got, including the original approach to Coruscant in TPM.Also, was there ever a confirmation that Williams wrote (more) original music for the Arena Battle in AotC - or did Lucas just tell him he was going to track it with previously recorded score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,265 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He never wrote a thing for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Tasker 21 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 He never wrote a thing for that.Goddamn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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