BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 They're laid out relatively similarly in terms of structure from beginning to end, one is just slower and more grand than the other.If someone held a gun to my head and told me to describe why these composers are absolute magicians/miracle workers I'd have to point to these two tracks. Who will win? Who will lose?Find out! Right here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Totally different structure. Fail, Blume. Epic fail is what this is."Hedwig's Theme."But "The Enterprise" is magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 Hedwigs Theme....quiet beginning...building up middle stuff...grand finale.The Enterprise.......quiet beginning...building up middle stuff....grand finale. Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Sure, on the large scale, there's some superficial similarity, but their structures are quite different when you go down to a smaller scale.Okay, so it's not quite epic fail. Still some flavor of fail, though. I expect better from you. Come to think of it, I expect better from your avatars and sigs, too. Where's the irony? Those could be nothing more than a perfectly beautiful Christmas card! Highly disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 DAMMIT MAN! I'M RECOVERING FROM SPENDING HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON ALL THESE SOUNDTRACKS! GIVE ME A BREAK! YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW! YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME! Play "Distraught Desmond" in the background while reading that, and imagine I'm beating the crap out of you drunk. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Personally I voted "The Enterprise". Maybe a bit biased since I'm a Trekkie. Nothing gets more chills of excitement than that particular cue. I love the build up to the main Star Trek theme when it shows the front view of the newly redesigned Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I vote for "The Enterprise." But it's a little unfair. While the Goldsmith could very well be the best thing he's ever composed (at least that I've heard), "Hedwig's Theme" isn't even close to the best thing Williams has composed. It's not even my favorite cue from Sorcerer's Stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 Really? I think it's the maestro's finest piece. Technically impressive, visceral, powerful, great range from beginning to end, wonderful theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 DAMMIT MAN! I'M RECOVERING FROM SPENDING HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON ALL THESE SOUNDTRACKS! GIVE ME A BREAK! YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW! YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME! Play "Distraught Desmond" in the background while reading that, and imagine I'm beating the crap out of you drunk. That's more like it. Also, I agree about Hedwig's Theme. Dunno if I'd say it's THE finest, but it's certainly up there with the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Totally different structure. Fail, Blume. Epic fail is what this is. In answer to the question, I'd go for The Enterprise, just because it sounds better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Jerry wins this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 The Enterprise. Why? If you have a great concert piece that's good, but I you get to hear a concert-like piece in a film - that's just amazing.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 The Enterprise. I've warmed to Hedwig's Theme, but The Enterprise is probably my favourite theme ever, and the actual cue is absolute genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I'm not voting because I love them both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Hedwig's Theme. I fell in love with music when I heard that for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 The Enterprise, when i heard this cue for the first time it blew my socks (a bit more than Hedwig's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 The Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Gotta go with The Enterprise for this one. Can't explain why really, but when I read the two titles involved in the poll The Enterprise wa the one that brought a smile to my face. Yep - that's it - that's my reasoning for this one - sometimes gotta go with the gut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Love Hedwigs, absolutely adore it. With maybe the single best 1.5 minute of music of the naughties in it's climax.But I vote for The Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 There is no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I think I'll have to vote for The Enterprise, but honestly if you had done Harry's Wondrous World vs The Enterprise I'd have a lot harder time deciding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 The Enterprise all the way (both versions, actually). Hedwig's is good, but not as great.- Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I was thinking of creating a poll about your favourite appearances of the Enterprise theme, but I realise now it would have about forty-six options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I suppose there are more Trekkies than Potter fans on this board. I voted for Hedwig's theme out of loyalty to the franchise, but also because I like that theme better. Every time I hear it, I get chills down my spine. It sets the mood for each film the way the Star Wars scroll sets the mood for each episode, though obviously the mood is quite different. Both perfectly achieve the desired effect.The Enterprise theme is great, too - but I have no personal emotional attachment to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 "The Enterprise", not least, because of the absolutely gob-smacking visuals that accompany it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I love Hedwig's Theme, but in this case there is indeed no comparison.I heard brilliant renditions of both cues live a few years back in the same concert, by the way. The Potter suite is certainly a challenge for the best orchestras. Mauceri made The Enterprise shine even slightly more than the King himself had done a few years earlier with the LSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 So you say this piece was actually performed live? I didn't know that.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Princess Leia's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 Dumbutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Dumbutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 So you say this piece was actually performed live? I didn't know that.Not the Children's suite, if you read it that way. It was a "regular" suite including Hedwig's Theme, Harry's Wondrous World and Fluffy's Harp; I don't recall the rest, but only cues available on the OST album were present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I was talking about The Enterprise.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 Dumbutt.Yeah. You deserve nothing better than walking in on old man Harrison and old woman Carrie doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Dumbutt.Yeah. You deserve nothing better than walking in on old man Harrison and old woman Carrie doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 I was talking about The Enterprise.Ah. I think it's "frequently" played live. Goldsmith did a 30 minute suite from TMP at his last LSO concert, I think that suite was compiled by Mauceri for the Hollywood Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Gotta be honest- Enterprise all the way. Hedwig's Theme was one that was never nuts about. It never sat in the films either IMO. I much prefer "Harry's Wondrous World". That track has emotion, range and feeling. Hedwig's Theme is overly busy and how should one say? Too many notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Hedwig's Theme is overly busy and how should one say? Too many notes. riiiiight .Almost every composer won;t write something as good in their lifetime.That being said ,The Enterprise wins this poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 I totally disagree. Yared has written better IMO, and of course, this is totally subjective at the end of the day. I'll take "Crazy Tom" over "Hedwig's Theme" any day of the week. But then again, aside from HOOK, I'm not terribly interested in Williams "cutsy" music. Oh, I also like Home Alone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 If Robert Wise had directed Philosopher's Stone, Goldsmith might have composed a similar track anyway while young Harry verrrrrry slowwwwwwwly docks his boat up to Hogwarts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 I totally disagree. Yared has written better IMO, and of course, this is totally subjective at the end of the day. I'll take "Crazy Tom" over "Hedwig's Theme" any day of the week. But then again, aside from HOOK, I'm not terribly interested in Williams "cutsy" music. Oh, I also like Home Alone too....and "Home Alone" isn't cute because..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 I totally disagree. Yared has written better IMO, and of course, this is totally subjective at the end of the day. I'll take "Crazy Tom" over "Hedwig's Theme" any day of the week. But then again, aside from HOOK, I'm not terribly interested in Williams "cutsy" music. Oh, I also like Home Alone too....and "Home Alone" isn't cute because..?There are parts of HOOK and Home Alone that I don't care for because of their tone. A lot of Home Alone, to me though sounds more Tchaikovsky-like so it doesn't bother me as much. I actually find much of The Philosopher's Stone very reminiscent of HOOK which has some beautiful moments but also kind of annoying ones too. But like I said, it's a personal thing. I don't think Williams is at fault. I was just saying this because Mark seems to think Williams Hedwig's Theme is the be-all and end-all. If you guys listened to as much Prokofiev as I do, you would find a dozen unsettling resemblances in Williams' music and his. Obviously Williams has a tremendous knowledge of classical repertoire and I would never accuse him of knowingly trying to copy something but there is a lot of Prokofiev in his writing. Almost as much as Horner's to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Almost as much as Horner's to be honest.The big difference though, for me at least, is Williams' ability to take any given source material and shape it into something more original and to let it sit more organically with the rest of a score, instead of it feeling like a copy and paste situation.Obviously Williams has a tremendous knowledge of classical repertoire and I would never accuse him of knowingly trying to copy something but there is a lot of Prokofiev in his writing.I think Williams has brought enough to the table without having to be concerned with message board accusations ....if one were to accuse him that is Anyway, Hedwig's Theme vs. The Enterprise? For me, Hedwig's Theme hands down but that's probably because the Enterprise scene has always made me laugh (in a good way) and I don't think it's one of Goldsmith's best pieces by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 the Enterprise scene has always made me laugh (in a good way)It's only a model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 2, 2010 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 I disagree with Fiery on Hedwig's Theme, but heartily agree on most everything else regarding cutesy....including Hook....and to some degree Home Alone (but I also like that). Ironically while I find Hedwig's theme to be teetering on the verge of too many notes, but it still has a very balletic nature to it. There is something necessary about all those notes. It is the summation of this magical world...so it's only right that it is so....rich! And I'm one of the biggest critics of too many notes. I believe the most challenging work is in the creating what appears simple and elegant. The ornamentation and appearance of lots of things going on...( "complexity") is just time and patience, "busy work" if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 If you guys listened to as much Prokofiev as I do, you would find a dozen unsettling resemblances in Williams' music and his.You need to listen to less Prokofiev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 It's only a model.I wasn't talking about the model but rather, words unspoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 That photo makes me feel dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 That photo makes me feel dirty.You are not alone. 'Celebrated director of STAR TREK movie caught in public bathroom!'-headline alert!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 I need the movie with it to get a true kick out of Hedwig's Theme, but over The Enterprise I can scoregasm well without visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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