#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well this is also the future.The director slowly moving into an area werein he previously had limited access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Same could be said about Peter Jackson though. In a way. He could micro-manage every single detail. And he did.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Sure, let's get back to our weekly Inception debate. KarolGod no, that's been done to death as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 For what film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Umm... The Lord of the Rings trilogy? Didn't they record and re-record this music like 70 times over these four-something years?I mean, John Williams hardly ever did any adjustments to his scores.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Umm... The Lord of the Rings trilogy? Didn't they record and re-record this music like 70 times over these four-something years?Considering the scale of this particular project, and the fact that Shore was involved with the whole process during 4 years, I would not say that this is unreasonable.Far better then doing it the Lucas way and edit the score to hell after the Composer left.I mean, John Williams hardly ever did any adjustments to his scores.KarolI'm sure John Williams has had to many many adjustments to his scores because of either a change in the edit or a request from the director/producer.It's a pretty normal thing in film scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yes, but not to this extent. Howard Shore must have been completely exhausted at the end.Considering the scale of this particular project, and the fact that Shore was involved with the whole process during 4 years, I would not say that this is unreasonable.Far better then doing it the Lucas way and edit the score to hell after the Composer left.I'm not saying this is reasonable or not. Or that it's good or not. You said that it's the future where director has input into this previously restricted area. And it also happened in that case. I'm not talking about the result, but rather the process itself.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I'm talking about the director meticulously creating his version of a score, without the composers involvement.With LOTR, Shore was definitely involved throughout the whole process, and the end product is certainly the result of his work, despite the input of Jackson.The fact that Jackson and Shore could not see eye to eye on King Kong proves that Shore was not willing to bow to every one of PJ's wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Yes, I know. I was referring solely to Jackson's involvement.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 It'll be interesting to see them working on The Hobbit. I always like it when directors return to their collaborators. I'm still waiting for Fincher to get back with Shore, but seems like Reznor and Ross are his new go-to men. Scorsese is also going back to Shore for Hugo Cabaret.Woah, all of them deal with Howard Shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 This year's score Oscar isn't as bad as many in the past, there was no serious competition. And as Marc pointed out, at least they got it right last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Woah, all of them deal with Howard Shore Howard Shore is an interesting composer, for sure. But I'd like him to do something else apart from brooding thriller scores. Don't get me wrong, I liked Edge of Darkness, but whenever someone pushes him a bit farther, it's pure gold. We don't need to look any further than his score for Scorsese.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Which score for Scorsese? The Departed, I asume? That one's brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Both The Aviator and The Departed. And I even like the tiny bit in Gangs.Karol - who started to like Shore's The Last Mimzy recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I think the interesting in this decade so far is that...everything is fashionable in almost every industry, music, clothing, writing. Strange. In the past it's generally been one or the other with few exceptions. These last 3-4 years in film/TV music minimalism, pop, romantic/orchestral are all popular. Just look at the nominees this year. There's a huge amount of range. Social Network (Eccentric electronics), How to Train Your Dragon (Orchestral Bombast), The King's Speech (Subdued Orchestral), 127 Hours (Pop/Compilation), Inception (Modern Bombast)Compare with say...1999:American Beauty (Subdued orchestral), Angela's Ashes (Subdued orchestral), The Cider House Rules (Subdued Orchestral), The Talented Mr. Ripley (Subdued Orchestral/Compilation), The Red Violin (Subdued Orchestral).I would actually have to say the Academy actually made pretty good nominations this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 So you're saying they didn't even do what they were awarded for?KarolSee how ridiculous the entire thing is. I guess the Academy even didn't know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 This is the music I played during the awards...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDBdLKggnIU (but the version that plays when Doc Goes to 1885 at the END of the film) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 I wonder if there is a message board for cinematography fans bemoaning Roger Deakins' ninth loss, and if they are saying Wally Pfister is a hack who didn't really do much for "Inception" other than know how to work his light meter. I have seen fan pages for the Coen brothers, and I am sure those are on fire now.I was surprised by the score win, because I thought Desplat would win in an awards sweep for "The King's Speech." But that sweep didn't happen.I do agree that film music has not been the same in the past five years. Such scores as "Up" and "Atonement" aside, the Academy has not had much to work with in choosing five viable nominees. I am glad the Academy made the score to "Black Swan" ineligible, because I fear the Academy would have voted for it, in the same way they voted for "Babel." What needs to be done to get back to the glory years of the 1980s and 1990s? I have no clue. The living composers we all seem to agree on as the best aren't doing much work these days, leaving the newbies (and Desplat) to fill in the gaps with Media Ventures-inspired stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Whilst I am not a massive fan of the score, Reznor has a lot of talent and I hope this can potentially be a springboard for him to bring his more traditional musical abilities to film scoring. Even if it just means we'll get another song like 'Hurt'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The score nominations this year were fairly spot on. I wouldn't have objected to any of them winning. They got it right with 2007 (nominations-wise at least, Atonement was the least deserving) and 2009 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Atonement... least deserving? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Ratatouille and 3:10 To Yuma were infinitely better. The score was nice, but it was applauded for it's original use of the typewriter within the music, which was done like two years before with Ramin Djawadi and Heitor Pereira's score for Ask The Dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,081 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The score nominations this year were fairly spot on.I would rather have nominated Desplat for Potter than for King's Speech, which was nice enough, but didn't make that much of an impact on me, partly because the primary scenes were (excellently) tracked with classical music. I wouldn't have minded to see Burwell nominated though. True Grit, while not a great score (were there any this year?), seemed quite wonderful.Ah well. At least Newman won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I would have replaced The King's Speech with The Ghost Writer, but like you said, it's still a nice score. I'm not a fan of Randy Newman, but I thought his speech was one of the best of the night. He pointed out a glaring issue with the Academy.Burwell's score was mostly adaptations of classic hymns, and was thus disqualified. Worked well in the movie, but he's done much much better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I didn't read this thread but Williams did the arrangement for When You Wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 he did? the kids in t shirts thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Oops I meant the memorium, you know the williamsy sounding one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I wonder if there is a message board for cinematography fans bemoaning Roger Deakins' ninth loss, and if they are saying Wally Pfister is a hack who didn't really do much for "Inception" other than know how to work his light meter. I have seen fan pages for the Coen brothers, and I am sure those are on fire now.Deakins actually runs his own message board on his official site, and things got so out of hand on there when he lost to There Will Be Blood a few years ago that he declared he would delete every thread related to the Oscars in the future. So I think they know better, by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Oops I meant the memorium, you know the williamsy sounding one.I don;t rememberBut the kids was Over the Rainbow right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I didn't watch it, the game was on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Oops I meant the memorium, you know the williamsy sounding one.Are you sure? I know for sure Conrad Pope did some arranging and orchestrations for this year's show, but I don't know about Williams being involved--he's quite busy scoring War Horse right now (score will be recorded in late March/early April). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,443 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Atonement... least deserving? KarolTo be honest, Croc., the only music that I remember from "Atonement" was the hymn being sung on the beach. I do, however, remember Kiera Knightley in a wet dress in the fountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I'm not a big fan of drama scores, but this one is fantastic. Not only because of the interplay between music and sound effects throughout the film (the typewriter, piano, lighter, organ, chorus, harmonica and other stuff), but it is such beautifully constructed and performed piece of music. There are many recurring themes, among them a very bittersweet love theme. I love the score both in the film and on album. It's a terrific listen.BTW did it win anything?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Oscar for best score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Wait, what? Roger Deakins has no Oscar?Blasphemy!(I mean seriously, wtf?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Hardly surprising.It brings to mind a quote I heard on an FSM podcast just before Santaollala got his 2nd oscar, and Morricone was receiving an honorary award; something along the lines of:Do you realise, that depending on the order of the ceremony, Gustavo Santaollala could have two oscars before Ennio Morricone has one?Quiet (almost awed) voice in the background: My god....Even Doug and the team have seemingly been in disbelief at oscar choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The fact that it took until 'The Departed' for Scorsese to win an oscar kind of sums up how ridiculous the choices have always been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Wait, what? Roger Deakins has no Oscar?Blasphemy!(I mean seriously, wtf?)He definitely deserves one, but True Grit is not his best work.Deakins should have won for Jesse James though, but the double nomination probably split the vote and There Will Be Blood took the gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I don't know who arranged it for the Oscars, but the "In Memoriam" song was "Smile," written by Charlie Chaplin for Modern Times. It was performed by Celine Dion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,268 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 It is a gorgeous song, I'm afraid to admit I had never heard it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I don't know who arranged it for the Oscars, but the "In Memoriam" song was "Smile," written by Charlie Chaplin for Modern Times. It was performed by Celine Dion.FYI, I have it confirmed that the arrangement was done by William Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Check it out at 04:00 who enters and with what music...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIzgXrq0oIE&feature=relatedHatthaway was really hot in that dress. And his fan-girl "STEVEN SPIELBERG!" made her even hotter I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I liked that rendition a lot. Nice, slow and noble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now