Wojo 2,453 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 The finale was akin to having somebody remove every few pages from the last couple chapters of a really good book you've been reading for eight years, and passing it off as the finished work. The pieces you have are reasonably good, but you can tell that you are missing parts of the story. Characters make decisions without the proper motivations. Everything felt rushed and undeserved. And having one of the show creators admit in a "behind the scenes" that the most motivated character on the show rushed into battle against a naval foe and simply forgot that he had surface-to-capability even though her air support had perfect long range vision was an absolute crime against logic. It was the moment of artificially converting a major protagonist into final villain. Quintus and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,287 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Confederate Officially Axed: HBO Confirms Controversial Slavery Drama From Game of Thrones EPs Is Dead So D&D rushed Game of Thrones to the finish line because they'd been hired to do a new HBO show and new Star Wars trilogy, then got fired off both of those, but for some reason Netflix gave them $200mil anyway Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 They'll never starve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 "Mommy, when I grew up, can I be like the Game of Thrones showrunners?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 My collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 AAHHHHHH, my OCD! Go to hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Looks great! Each book has its own personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Holko said: AAHHHHHH, my OCD! Go to hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 The coronavirus has put George in isolation, and he's (finally) writing the book: Quote For those of you who may be concerned for me personally… yes, I am aware that I am very much in the most vulnerable population, given my age and physical condition. But I feel fine at the moment, and we are taking all sensible precautions. I am off by myself in a remote isolated location, attended by one of my staff, and I’m not going in to town or seeing anyone. Truth be told, I am spending more time in Westeros than in the real world, writing every day. Things are pretty grim in the Seven Kingdoms… but maybe not as grim as they may become here. https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2020/03/17/strange-days/ He didn't mentioned specifically that he's writing The Winds of Winter. Maybe he already finished it, and now he's doing A Dream of Spring, to release them with little time separating the release of both books? One can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Glad to hear he is staying isolated. Also glad to hear he is writing. It is definitely still TWoW, though. When he’s done, he will announce it, and it will get published ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Yeah, it could be like Rowling with him. His would be the word of gospel and there would be minimal editing if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Pellaeon said: Also glad to hear he is writing. It is definitely still TWoW, though. Don't bet on it. He's probably writing the Complete History of Tarth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Glóin the Dark said: Don't bet on it. He's probably writing the Complete History of Tarth... This was my thought. It could be that second history of the Targaryens book too. Or a new Westeros project. As much as I'd love to think it's Winds of Winter, I see no reason to make assumptions one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 7:22 PM, A. A. Ron said: This was my thought. It could be that second history of the Targaryens book too. Or a new Westeros project. As much as I'd love to think it's Winds of Winter, I see no reason to make assumptions one way or the other. I wouldn’t say ‘no reason.’ We can at least tentatively rely on his statements of the past year, which have been pretty emphatic and repeated on this point. The Winds of Winter is next, followed by a ‘Dunk & Egg’ story, followed by A Dream of Spring. He has made no promises past that, except that he would probably like to do more ‘Dunk & Egg’ stories, and he would like to do another ‘Targaryens book’ (as you call it), but IF this happens it will not be till after A Dream of Spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 If he has any business sense, he would write The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring to make bank. All these off-shoots are not going to sell nearly as well as the those 2 books are. The iron's still hot, GOT hasn't faded from consciousness. He can capitalize in a big way still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 It has completely faded from mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: If he has any business sense, he would write The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring to make bank. All these off-shoots are not going to sell nearly as well as the those 2 books are. The iron's still hot, GOT hasn't faded from consciousness. He can capitalize in a big way still. He’s raking $20 million a year already. He’s more interested in winning Hugos than anything else. Anyway, one short story is not going to derail A Dream of Spring in any significant way. ASOIAF has clearly become a chore. Whatever he’s motivated to write is fine with me, at this point. Have you read the Dunk & Egg stories, by the way? Delightful stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I have sadly myself outgrown fantasy entirely. I will never be able to really read fantasy fiction ever again, not at this length anyways. I would say given the delays, almost anything else apart from TWOW or ADOS is a derailment. He's setting himself up for never writing them. He should swallow his pride, get a co-writer or ghost writer, just put it the hell out and make a lot of including himself some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I have sadly myself outgrown fantasy entirely. I will never be able to really read fantasy fiction ever again, not at this length anyways. Eh, well, never say never. I read voraciously in my youth, then it pretty much dried up for a decade or two, and now I’ve at least got a pretty steady stream going, mostly through audiobooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 John Williams composed the theme for the series in 2002! Just listen to AOTC Finale and end credits, before the imperial march.... I know its just a coincidence... ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 That's not the theme that's the ostinato that plays before the theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 yeah well. And during the whole theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 The GOT theme is a simple melody with basic chords on top of a simply ostinato. The only reason it's so popular is because it's insanely catchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Djawadi has a talent for creating popular, catchy tunes. His Pacific Rim theme is also pretty popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 It is also a pretty darn fantastic theme. And it actually has multiple parts so it is not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 4:10 AM, Jay said: That's not the theme that's the ostinato that plays before the theme The first 6 notes of the main theme are exactly the same notes as the ostinato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Ramin Djawadi, the guy who made Hans Zimmer coffee turned composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 GRRM hopes to have The Winds of Winter finished next year. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 lol A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: GRRM hopes to have The Winds of Winter finished next year. Yeah yeah promises, promises. I believe it when I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 It's good to know that there's more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Will this be a novelisation of the last season of the television series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 17 hours ago, Jay said: GRRM hopes to have The Winds of Winter finished next year. this really is never happening. To think in 2015 he thought he was nearly ready... imagine if the TV show had waited for him?!? I think maybe he was very nearly finished the book but I reckon he scraped it all and started again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 He's still less behind schedule than Tolkien was on LOTR, if I remember correctly. (Of course, Tolkien then proceeded to get The Silmarillion ready for publication, and failed to get that done in the remaining 18 years of his life, but thanks to his son Christopher we got to see tons of material that wasn't finalised for publication during J.R.R. Tolkien's lifetime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 6 hours ago, PuhgreÞiviÞm said: Will this be a novelisation of the last season of the television series? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I hope he doesn't write ".The Long Night" in the dark. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 One thing I cannot possibly imagine is how is he going to be able to resolve all the plot threads in those two books. It's safe to say Bran will still end up on a throne and Dani will still go mad. Everything else might be very different though. But how can you get there with this little time? I have yet to finish reading the existing books but based on what I've read they're more satisfying than the show. I really love the unreliable narrator(s) framework and things being left out. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, crocodile said: One thing I cannot possibly imagine is how is he going to be able to resolve all the plot threads in those two books. It's safe to say Bran will still end up on a throne and Dani will still go mad. Everything else might be very different though. But how can you get there with this little time? In his most recent statement, he said something to the effect that he's finishing a new chapter every few days, but it'll still take until next year because it's a long book. Two long books are plenty of time to resolve a lot of stuff (though of course there really is an awful lot of stuff to resolve). 1 hour ago, crocodile said: I have yet to finish reading the existing books but based on what I've read they're more satisfying than the show. I really love the unreliable narrator(s) framework and things being left out. That Arya cliffhanger in book 3 (was it?) was worse (in a positive sense) than the Red Wedding. And that still was much more intense than the (to me) rather disappointingly tame version in the series. I read those chapters on a business trip to Germany - I left the office in the afternoon to fly there, but only had the first customer appointment the next day. I started reading at the airport in Vienna (not at the beginning of the book, I'd already been reading it for several days), and couldn't put it down until I turned out the light in my hotel room hours later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Did GRRM actually write the last season of GOT? That was never clear to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Do the thrones win zt the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Did GRRM actually write the last season of GOT? That was never clear to me. He didn't write any season of GOT, the show is based on his books (but he did do the scripts for 1 episode each in the first 4 seasons) If you're asking when the shows passed the published books, it goes like this: Season 1 = book 1 Season 2 = book 2 Season 3 = first 2/3 of book 3 Season 4 = rest of book 3, some of books 4/5 Season 5 = heavily condensed and altered version of books 4/5, some material beyond the published books Season 6 = heavily condensed and latered version of books 4/5, some more material beyond the published books Season 7 = beyond the published books Season 8 = beyond the published books The only thing that happens in Season 7 and 8 that are certainly events GRRM told the showrunners about, that will likely be the same in books 6 and 7 if he finishes them, is the origin of Hodor, and the true parents of Jon Snow. Anything else that happens in those later seasons could be based on ideas GRRM told them, or could be stuff D&D completely made up themselves, we have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 That's what I meant, is it based on his writing? And when I ask that, I'm thinking mainly of the dialogue, whether some of it was taken over or not. So it's definitely not the case for S7 and S8. Hmm ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 If he finishes the book next year, then it'll be exactly 10 years since he published the last one and the premiere of the show. If he continues this pattern, book 7 will be released at some point in 2031. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 The first 4 seasons are full of dialogue taken directly from his books, and seasons 5 and 6 feature some of his dialogue too.... but by season 7 & 8 there was no more books to pull dialogue from so they made it up themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 32 minutes ago, Edmilson said: If he continues this pattern, book 7 will be released at some point in 2031. Bearing in mind that the wait between books is increasing, if he continues this pattern book 7 will be released at some point in 2037... Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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