Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 And realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Only in the last few days Spielberg is talking it up again: http://m.screendaily.com/5097518.article# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Since this new Indiana Jones seems to be real, I hope John Williams writes the music.I'm not a big moviegoer. I just go to the cinema when the score is by Williams, or when my wife suggests it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Only in the last few days Spielberg is talking it up again: http://m.screendaily.com/5097518.article#No one will replace Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones... except Chris Pratt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Disney Chairman And CEO Bob Iger Says New 'Indiana Jones' Movie "Will Be Coming" indy4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Right now I have zero interest in this. Of course thats what i said when a new Star Wars trilogy was announced.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I'm excited for the potential score! That's about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Unless the film is radically better than KOTCS, I can't see the score being any more inspired. I'm convinced Williams really needs some mythical, quasi-religious material for the McGuffin to write a strong theme. I think Star Wars showed that resurrecting these old characters (like Han Solo) really only works if you surround them in an interesting situation with fresh new characters that bring the story to life. Much of TFA's energy stems from Rey, Finn and Kylo. On paper the cast for KOTCS looked very strong, but Spielberg found a way to achieve the impossible and waste actors like John Hurt and Cate Blanchett in embarrassing fashion. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I blame Lucas more then Spielberg. Though Spielberg really shouldn't have taken on the job if he didn't really have much enthusiasm for it. Even if the fans were demanding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 The making-of is pretty revealing about what happened on the film. Spielberg clearly spent years disagreeing on all Lucas' shit ideas and tried to get a script that actually worked, but in the end Lucas was stubborn and refused to back down on the alien storyline. In the end Spielberg had little choice; agree to Lucas' story or forget about ever making the film. He saw the opportunity to make a shitload of money while hanging out with a great mate for 5 months without even having to leave the US. Pretty easy (albeit artistically bankrupt) choice. In fairness to the guy, he directed the hell out of the film's opening act but you can pinpoint the scene he remembers his total disinterest in directing these kinds of movies. Hint: it's around the time where Indy starts babbling on about Pancho Villa (describing an adventure easily more interesting than the film itself, a problem that plagued the Star Wars prequels) in a poorly dressed Universal backlot set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Cate Blanchett is such a dud actress. She has no charisma. How she won an Oscar is beyond me. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Unlucky Bastard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 244 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I just realized, that I'm probably the only one who loves the score for KOTCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else, but someone suggested the idea of a noir Indy film more oriented in a mistery-type of situation and I would absolutely adore that, considering Ford's age and him being less able to jump around it would be a fantastic solution. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 33 minutes ago, Michael said: I don't know if I read it here or somewhere else, but someone suggested the idea of a noir Indy film more oriented in a mistery-type of situation and I would absolutely adore that, considering Ford's age and him being less able to jump around it would be a fantastic solution. I actually really like that idea! I can see it now: Indiana Jones and the Bridge of Spies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 hour ago, Nemesis said: I just realized, that I'm probably the only one who loves the score for KOTCS. 3 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: I actually really like that idea! I can see it now: Indiana Jones and the Bridge of Spies Nope, I listen to it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 12 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said: I actually really like that idea! I can see it now: Indiana Jones and the Bridge of Spies Scored by John Newman. Or Thomas Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Unless the film is radically better than KOTCS, I can't see the score being any more inspired. I'm convinced Williams really needs some mythical, quasi-religious material for the McGuffin to write a strong theme. I think Star Wars showed that resurrecting these old characters (like Han Solo) really only works if you surround them in an interesting situation with fresh new characters that bring the story to life. Much of TFA's energy stems from Rey, Finn and Kylo. On paper the cast for KOTCS looked very strong, but Spielberg found a way to achieve the impossible and waste actors like John Hurt and Cate Blanchett in embarrassing fashion. Dude, good insights here! 1 hour ago, Nemesis said: I just realized, that I'm probably the only one who loves the score for KOTCS. Nope, I love it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 7 hours ago, Joey said: Cate Blanchett is such a dud actress. She has no charisma. How she won an Oscar is beyond me. YOU have no charisma! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 He does, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 8 hours ago, crumbs said: The making-of is pretty revealing about what happened on the film. Spielberg clearly spent years disagreeing on all Lucas' shit ideas and tried to get a script that actually worked, but in the end Lucas was stubborn and refused to back down on the alien storyline. But isn't it sort of common knowledge now that it was Lucas who was the contrary pain in the arse of the three where storyline agreement was concerned? Ford and Spielberg both thought Frank Darabont's treatment was fabulous; yet Lucas threw it out mainly because there was no son character featured, or in other words, no lucrative link to a new series of movies about Mutt. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 18 minutes ago, Stefancos said: He does, actually Have no charisma? So you agree? Good. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 He has loads of charisma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: He has loads of charisma. Loads of no charisma, right? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 He's quite sexy too, in a certain light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 4 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Loads of no charisma, right? It thinks Cate Blanchett needs defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: He's quite sexy too, in a certain light... Who?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Your new crush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 New? I've known him for nearly 16 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,287 Posted January 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2016 19 hours ago, Quintus said: But isn't it sort of common knowledge now that it was Lucas who was the contrary pain in the arse of the three where storyline agreement was concerned? Ford and Spielberg both thought Frank Darabont's treatment was fabulous; yet Lucas threw it out mainly because there was no son character featured, or in other words, no lucrative link to a new series of movies about Mutt. Basically, yeah. It's funny how Spielberg's been absolved of blame for the entire debacle over the years. I guess his track record speaks for itself. The transparency of Lucas' insistence on a son character (no doubt intended for a new money-making franchise) obviously didn't help. In many ways, you can read into the film's final shot as a metaphor for what Spielberg thought of Lucas' plans here (which will almost certainly never happen now, at least not with LeBeouf). When you hear about some of the awful ideas Lucas had for the other films, you realise how fortunate it was that Spielberg stood his ground in the 80's (probably aided by the fact that he acquiesced to Lucas' ideas on Temple of Doom and the reception was so poor at the time). The Last Crusade was meant to be a haunted house film until Spielberg cleverly backed out of the idea by citing his experience on Poltergeist for haunted house fatigue. I think they were actually on the right path by trying to change the tone and style of the film to suit the era in which it was set, but the execution was completely wrong (a trait of Lucas; great ideas but clueless execution). If they truly wanted to ape B-movie science fiction films, why does the film feel like a mashup of 5 different storylines and genres? Would it kill Koepp to write a straightforward story with a semblance of focus? The genre that would've made much more sense for the film to ape was film-noir, popular right throughout the 1940's and 50's. A wisened, investigative Indy looking into a Soviet plot or mystery in the vein of Humphrey Bogart would've been fascinating and allowed Harrison to reinterpret the role he made famous rather than attempt to recapture a character he simply cannot play anymore (plus it would've organically acknowledged his age and reluctance for physically demanding adventures like the Indy from the 30's). Imagine the character's first appearance being a shadowy silhouette in the darkened warehouse filled with atmosphere and smoke. Kaminski could've gone to town with this style and it would've played into both his and Spielberg's modern sensibilities of more serious, gritty films. Clearly they can't recreate their 80's selves anymore so why not evolve the series and try something new? Once, Muad'Dib, Brónach and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Of course Indy 5 has the potential to be a great movie but I am skeptical at the moment. However, wouldn't it be great if they decided to dust off Darabont's script and make that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 You can't really repurpose Darabont's script anymore. The unused action sequences, sure, but Koepp basically took Darabont's plot, diluted or removed every interesting idea it had and watered it down into generic Hollywood crap. I would be mortified if Spielberg goes near him for Indy 5, especially after the Mortdecai debacle. I just wish for another Indiana Jones film that explores its characters with moments of depth and intrigue, rather than garbage writing which only serves to move the film from one setpiece to another. Even the worst modern Bond film (Quantum of Solace) at least attempts to explore its main character and his flaws. Darabont infused his script with unique character moments like Indy having a drunken epiphany inside his own museum. Marion and Oxley were also integrated into the story far more organically, rather than just randomly appearing in a tent.. because... uh, she was... kidnapped? Or ... something? I'm literally gobsmacked at how convoluted the entire backstory is to this segment of Koepp's plot; even after reading this ridiculous explanation on Wikipedia, I can't believe it passed Spielberg's stamp of approval. It makes no logical sense whatsoever: Quote Frustrated at Oxley's pointless rantings, she then forced Oxley to send Marion a letter which contained multiple drawings and written riddles in an extinct Incan dialect. The letter was deliberately designed to make no sense, in the hope of tricking Marion Ravenwood into traveling to Peru to investigate Oxley's strange actions. The trap worked, and the moment Marion arrived, Spalko’s men were ready to intercept her. The second phase of the plan was to set up an opportunity for Ravenwood to temporarily escape and make quick contact with her son. Spalko knew that Marion would send the letter (which she still had in her possession) to America, in the hope that the boy would solve the mysterious writing and find the hidden location of the crystal skull: Spalko’s goal. This went exactly as imagined, and as soon as Marion was able to pass on what information was necessary for Mutt to investigate the message, Spalko had her men recapture Ravenwood. However, Marion had pulled an unexpected stunt; she had advised Mutt to not only solve the riddles in Oxley's letter, but to seek out an old acquaintance of hers called Indiana Jones, a 'grave robber' who could help translate the writing and find the skull. Spalko was at first unaware of this detail, but when her agents stationed in Connecticut discovered that Jones had been enlisted by Mutt to help him, they instantly modified their plans to include Indiana as well. Now Indy would be captured along with the boy, and Mutt would be used as a bargaining chip to force Jones into finding the skull. Seriously, when you need that much convoluted backstory just to explain why some unnecessary former character is needlessly integrated into your storyline, THEN YOU HAVE SERIOUS SCRIPT ISSUES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Quote Frustrated at Oxley's pointless rantings, she then forced Oxley to send Marion a letter which contained multiple drawings and written riddles in an extinct Incan dialect. The letter was deliberately designed to make no sense, in the hope of tricking Marion Ravenwood into traveling to Peru to investigate Oxley's strange actions. The trap worked, and the moment Marion arrived, Spalko’s men were ready to intercept her. The second phase of the plan was to set up an opportunity for Ravenwood to temporarily escape and make quick contact with her son. Spalko knew that Marion would send the letter (which she still had in her possession) to America, in the hope that the boy would solve the mysterious writing and find the hidden location of the crystal skull: Spalko’s goal. This went exactly as imagined, and as soon as Marion was able to pass on what information was necessary for Mutt to investigate the message, Spalko had her men recapture Ravenwood. However, Marion had pulled an unexpected stunt; she had advised Mutt to not only solve the riddles in Oxley's letter, but to seek out an old acquaintance of hers called Indiana Jones, a 'grave robber' who could help translate the writing and find the skull. Spalko was at first unaware of this detail, but when her agents stationed in Connecticut discovered that Jones had been enlisted by Mutt to help him, they instantly modified their plans to include Indiana as well. Now Indy would be captured along with the boy, and Mutt would be used as a bargaining chip to force Jones into finding the skull. What the... crumbs and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: What the... My thoughts exactly. Was Marion SO NECESSARY to include in the film that it required a plot as convoluted as that to include her? This is all squarely on Koepp, too. If I remember correctly, Darabont simply had her married to a Colombian mafia boss and she entered the story naturally because Indy was seeking information on how to find Oxley. Last Crusade kept the equivalent plotting so simple! They captured Indy's father because he knew where the holy grail was, but he sent his diary back to Indy before they captured him. Simple and straightforward, not even needing exposition to explain what's going on. The KOTCS backstory is just bafflingly confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Brilliant layered writing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Just now, Stefancos said: Brilliant layered writing! Layered like a public toilet with a broken flush button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I read the Darabont script and it's not like it was good, but it had some funny ideas and a whole bunch of silly ideas. Some of the silly ideas made it onto Koepp's script, like the elastic tree and the four waterfalls now reduced to three. Koepp's script does have Spalko, but sadly she does nothing, and her cool comes only after the fact from Blanchett and the costume department instead. Darabont's script is technically better written (in the way it's constructed and gives information and so on), but other than that is meh. I don't understand Lucas' obsession with a son. I would have been cool with an older woman (maybe not Marion) or/and a young student of his going along for the ride. I don't remember the Oxley character working very well in both scripts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Well it was originally a daughter but Spielberg saw too many parallels to Malcolm's daughter in The Lost World (not hard to see the comparison, considering Mutt's fencing deus ex machine was godawful as Kelly's gymnastics subplot). My question is did the film really even need to have a son/daughter character? It just seemed like a shameless attempt at creating a new franchise. It was all for nothing in the end anyway, as the films will inevitably be rebooted despite Spielberg's protestations. Darabont's third draft wisely omitted any son/daughter characters whatsoever and really helped focus the script. Ultimately the characters in the film come to very little resolution to the revelation of Mutt being his son and there are no character arcs to be had for any of the 3 (Indy, Marion, Mutt). It feels like a complete afterthought, as if some studio executive said it would be cool to have Mutt be his son, but they had no time to implement the idea in any meaningful way. Compare Indy dealing with his son to Indy's arc with his dad in TLC and it's not hard to notice how significantly hollow Koepp's script is. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Yeah, that's why I didn't say a daughter. Koepp's script is so fragile, it barely holds together. Darabont's is corny as hell but at least more solid in that area. Theey ended up on a final script were they went from point A to B to C because! and everything felt shoehorned in. Too many cooks in the kitchen, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 They need to get Lindelof to write the next one. He'll fix it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Lindelof writes very simple scripts I can understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Drax said: Lindelof writes very simple scripts I can understand. Like Prometheus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Fuck getting married and having kids. Why do all these sequels eventually have to be some mind of passing of the torch with a newer generation continuing the story? Fuck the new generation. This ain't Star Trek. It's Indy. Give him his gun and have him go around shooting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Spielberg's got kids now. Indy can't kill people, that's too violent! The Hollywood focus group results told him as much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So Brad Pitt can shoot Nazis but Indiana Jones can't? Strange world, Doctor Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Get Mel Brooks to direct it, problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,287 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 What about the Zucker brothers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamHorne97 16 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Lets just have another heart pounding adventure movie like the first three. No need for Indy's family, just him kicking ass and discovering treasure Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Cumberbatch should play Indy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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