Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Old fart Indy Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,278 Posted April 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2021 Judging by Blade Runner 2049, Ford can at least still throw a convincing punch. It won't be as embarrassing as DeNiro kicking the shopkeeper in The Irishman like a retiree trying to score a soccer goal three feet away. Cerebral Cortex, Once, Matt C and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: I don't know. I mean, sure this is true, but those days are long gone and not coming back. Which is why the right choice would have been to NOT make this. Or, in my case, to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Which is why the right choice would have been to NOT make this. Or, in my case, to ignore it. I agree with you 100% in what you've said regarding KOTCS and Indy 5. But some guys here you'll never convince because they're just looking for any excuse to prod John Williams to keep doing his old schtick, even though everything that needs to be said musically has been said. And bafflingly, ones like Thor envision Indy as, what, a series of arthouse films? It's amazing how willing some people are to stretch something beyond what it is by stubbornly imagining what it simply is not. Van_Etten, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,416 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I would say most people here aren't salivating for another Indy film or score. Disney doing something with the franchise was inevitable. I think we're trying to cope, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Damn, now I have to wait for the 5k boxset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Holko said: Suspension of disbelief. The couple "ooooh, I'm getting too old for this, get it, because I'm now old IRL, we all are" gags bothered me more. ^^^^^ I’ll never understand people’s inability to take what a movie is presenting at face value. There is nothing inherently believable about a single action sequence in any Indiana Jones movie, or in any movie really. The guy was dragged along the ground behind vehicles, sledded down mountains in a liferaft, walked on invisible bridges, narrowly avoided having his face melted off by a Biblical artifact etc. etc. but the straw that broke the camel’s back was that the guy was in his sixties once? I also didn’t like KOTCS at the time, btw, but it was because the movie generally didn’t work for me. Once, Holko, StarFox and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Since Dizney is making it, I suppose Indy will be in China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Indochina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,097 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Indiana Jones and the Lost Sword of the Samurai. I like this title that I just made up. I'll bet it got your head spinning with JW music possibilities...😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 452 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Quintus said: Watch Fleabag, it is outstanding. I'm curious if Waller-Bridge was asked by Spielberg and Kennedy to doctor the Indy 5 script before she signed on to star alongside Ford. 1 hour ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Since Dizney is making it, I suppose Indy will be in China? The cultural pandering by Hollywood for Chinese audiences ended in 2018. Besides, Indy already went to Shanghai in Temple of Doom. 11 hours ago, TownerFan said: Spielberg is not directing Indy 5, he's only exec producing. James Mangold is the attached director. According to trade reports, Spielberg is "hands on" producing this movie. While I don't think he'll be looking over Mangold's shoulder, he'll probably pop over to the set and give notes on dailies. It's not like his hands-off approach to the Jurassic World movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Poltergeist all over again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 6 hours ago, mstrox said: ^^^^^ I’ll never understand people’s inability to take what a movie is presenting at face value. There is nothing inherently believable about a single action sequence in any Indiana Jones movie, or in any movie really. Well by that metric, everything is believable. I mean, you can explain almost everything away with this sort of relativism...."what, you can believe in a man with superpowers from the planet Krypton but you can't believe Denise Richards as a nuclear scientist!?" That's just not how audiences are accustomed to reacting to what's being shown on screen. It's not about taking something at face value, it's about perceiving what you see on the screen as authentic, even if only in the context of cinema. Most of the action sequences in the 007 movies are fantastical as well, but compare 38-year-old Daniel Craig in Casino Royale with 58-year-old Roger Moore in View to a Kill doing them and it becomes readily apparent which comes across as more authentic, whether "realistic" or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 To be fair, Bond in AVTAK doesn't quite do the intensive level of action that he does in CR. Much of his AVTAK characterisation is detective work, sneaking around and classic suave Bonding stuff. And in action scenes, he relies more on machines and vehicles than brute physical strength. Craig in CR was doing ridiculous shit. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Most of the action sequences in the 007 movies are fantastical as well, but compare 38-year-old Daniel Craig in Casino Royale with 58-year-old Roger Moore in View to a Kill doing them and it becomes readily apparent which comes across as more authentic, whether "realistic" or not. In any action movie, there's a certain number of beats that stretch credulity that I can definitely take. Batman and Rachel definitely shouldn't have survived that fall unto the car in The Dark Knight. Jaguar Paw really shouldn't be able to escape his pursuers in Apocalypto for so long after having taken an arrow to his side; and, for sure, Indy and Willy should NOT have survived either of the two drops they fall down in the life-boat. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is pushing it, though. And its not even the incredulity of Indy surviving, its more like "buddy, you're ancient, wouldn't you have thrown your back out doing this?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Doesn't help that KOTCS looks cartoony too. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chen G. said: In any action movie, there's a certain number of beats that stretch credulity that I can definitely take. Batman and Rachel definitely shouldn't have survived that fall unto the car in The Dark Knight. Jaguar Paw really shouldn't be able to escape his pursuers in Apocalypto for so long after having taken an arrow to his side; and, for sure, Indy and Willy should NOT have survived either of the two drops they fall down in the life-boat. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is pushing it, though. And its not even the incredulity of Indy surviving, its more like "buddy, you're ancient, wouldn't you have thrown your back out doing this?" Yeah but that's sort of my point though. Not everything is believable, or should be taken at face value, just because it's in a movie. There's a line. It's very situational where the line is, and hard to define it, but audiences instinctively know when its been crossed. Smeltington and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: It's very situational where the line is, and hard define it, but audiences instinctively know when its been crossed. The best analogy is this: Somewhere along our digestive tract, chewed-up food becomes fecal matter. Its an incremental process, so you can't really pinpoint the exact spot where it happens. But once you're in the shit, you know. Although Indy's credibility in the action scenes is really just a side-effect. The main issue is that I really didn't need to see Indy in old age. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Although Indy's credibility in the action scenes is really just a side-effect. The main issue is that I really didn't need to see Indy in old age. Ever. This pretty much goes with most of the heroes we grew up with, isn't it? I certainly didn't need to see Han Solo as a divorced dead beat dad doing odd jobs to make ends meet, or Luke Skywalker as a washed up loser. Admittedly, it works better when there's not a huge time gap between films. The main characters in classic Star Trek aged on screen with a movie every few years, making it easier to accept and see them as older. The fact that age and growing older was a consistent theme through the TOS films helped as well. To use another analogy, it's the difference between gradually seeing someone you know lose or gain weight over a period of time, and not seeing them for 15 years and being shocked that they've blimped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: This pretty much goes with most of the heroes we grew up with, isn't it? I certainly didn't need to see Han Solo as a divorced dead beat dad doing odd jobs to make ends meet, or Luke Skywalker as a washed up loser. I was actually going to use that as a counter-example. I actually think Han Solo got a great quasi-tragic arc. I'm not sure it was worth it in the grand scheme of things, but on its own it did feel meaningful. We're obviously not going to get that sort of thing with Indy, so there's really no point in an old Indy. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Solo's death was tragic, but where they put him in life in that film was pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 At least Han Solo is aware his life's gone to shit. Indy isn't in on the joke that he's stil going through all these shenanigan when he's a senior citizen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 37 minutes ago, Chen G. said: At least Han Solo is aware his life's gone to shit. Indy isn't in on the joke that he's stil going through all these shenanigan when he's a senior citizen... Uh, how do you know that? We haven't seen or heard from the character in 13 years. I'm hoping this film takes a new direction and avoids the formula of previous films. Perhaps a Life of Pi type framing device, with a cynical young writer/journalist showing an interest in Indy's life, except they stumble upon some unresolved issue/mystery from decades prior which sets a new adventure in motion. There's plenty of ways you can approach this film and address Indy's age while also telling a new story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 People are so openly ageist in this thread! mstrox, Once, Edmilson and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 There is no ageism in action movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Chen thinks all people should be locked in retirement homes when reaching 60. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 Mangold is, at the very least, a better filmmaker than JJ Abrams Matt C, Edmilson, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 15 hours ago, Chen G. said: Basically the same issue in a different guise. I just really didn't need to see an old Indiana Jones to begin with. That's not an attractive movie premise for me. Its just sad. Dude, we get it. 12 hours ago, Chen G. said: Or, in my case, to ignore it. Hardly, you’re probably the top poster in this thread. We all know you’re going to see it. Once, Jurassic Shark, crumbs and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 He probably won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Yeah but imagine angrily not going too see a movie. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Big Man said: He probably won't. Indeed I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I'll probably see it on Foxtel at some point, but I can't imagine dragging myself to the picture show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I didn't even see Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in theaters, so its all hardly surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Whatever happened to Indy4? I mean the JWfan member Indy4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I didn't even see Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in theaters, so its all hardly surprising. So you might watch it at some point or not at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I didn't even see Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in theaters, so its all hardly surprising. Can I ask, what's the point of devoting so much energy, angst and frustration to a film you have no intention of even seeing? I've never seen someone so intent on convincing everyone else about the validity of their opinion. It's just a movie, dude. You're acting like it's one of the greatest injustices in human history or something. greenturnedblue, Koray Savas and Remco 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 15 hours ago, Chen G. said: Basically the same issue in a different guise. I just really didn't need to see an old Indiana Jones to begin with. That's not an attractive movie premise for me. Its just sad. It works well in the young Indy series. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: People are so openly ageist in this thread! Yeah! They should get off your lawn! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I hope this doesn’t mean they've killed off Marion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 It certainly was not beyond them to kill Henry offscreen, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ollie said: I hope this doesn’t mean they've killed off Marion. She caught covid... Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Whatever happened to Indy4? I mean the JWfan member Indy4. He became a soapbox vegan and left cause we were eating meat in the “What’re you having for dinner?” thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Wow what an exit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Oh what an exit, that's how to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Koray Savas said: He became a soapbox vegan and left cause we were eating meat in the “What’re you having for dinner?” thread. I had steak and eggs for breakfast this morning. Jurassic Shark and Nick1Ø66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I'm vegan but I usually don't pass judgement on meat eaters, at least not seriously. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,711 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Ollie said: I had steak and eggs for breakfast this morning. A man's breakfast. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I woke up for this?! 😵😡😡😳😒😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: I woke up this this?! 😵😡😡😳😒😒 No meat in your bed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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