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Mutt died on the way back to his home planet

I strongly disagree with this. Ford was the best thing about the last movie, by far. He convinced as an older yet still proportionately capable Indy. He simply deserved a better script and a better St

4 minutes ago, igger6 said:

Does this mean filming has begun?  They were supposed to start this spring, right?  It's spring!

 

Yes, the last official word was that filming will begin in April 2021.  Today's announcement does not mention that filming has begun yet, so I would assume it has not.

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1 hour ago, Josh500 said:

the only consolation is, Indy V can't possibly be worse than Indy IV... That's just not feasible. 

 

Can it not?

 

What are the essential issues of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? I mean, there are the superficial ones like the look of the film and some of the action setpieces, but at its core its issue is twofold:

 

1. I really don't need to know what became of Indy after he rode into the sunset in The Last Crusade. Its nicer to have his future adventures live-on in one's imagination. It certainly beats him being a rather pathetic old man, which leads me to the second point...

2. Harrison Ford was too old to play a convincing action hero. This is already an issue in itself, but it also engendered a second issue which is that most of the action beats had to either plotted around an old man, or delegated to other characters: enter the likes of Mutt.

 

Both of these issues are inevitably going to be present in this film; with the second problem only becoming more pronounced.

 

Not. Watching. It.

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7 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

What are the essential issues of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?

 

That it's shite.

 

8 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Harrison Ford was too old to play a convincing action hero.

 

Enter deepfake.

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43 minutes ago, Jay said:

Not exactly, he bulked up for Zero Dark Thirty first

He did just get a minor role in that one, so I wouldn't consider his performance to be really representative of his career

 

2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

That it's shite

Always in the excess. Let's just say that it's not as good as the three previous (mostly because of Mutt IMO)

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4 minutes ago, Raiders of the SoundtrArk said:

Let's just say that it's not as good as the three previous (mostly because of Mutt IMO)

 

Again, Mutt is not the core issue. He is an issue because Ford being too old required a younger upstart to take his place in many of the action beats. The overall effect is a rather pathetic "ol' man Indy" vibe that pervades the whole movie.

 

EDIT: Ummm, so...

 

https://collider.com/indiana-jones-5-composer-john-williams/

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Just now, Chen G. said:

Again, Mutt is not the core issue. He is an issue because Ford being too old required a younger upstart to take his place in many of the action beats. The overall effect is a rather pathetic "ol' man Indy" vibe that pervades the whole movie.

Ford's age didn't bothered me. The only thing that I truly can't stand for is Mutt, find LaBeouf so bad. Never understand why he was cast in the first place especially after his lame performance in Transformers (which was produced by Spielberg)

About the visual effects I want to say that they aren't as good as they should have been but today it's still can be so much worse in big productions so I don't complain as much as I used about it.

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20 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

Again, Mutt is not the core issue. He is an issue because Ford being too old required a younger upstart to take his place in many of the action beats. The overall effect is a rather pathetic "ol' man Indy" vibe that pervades the whole movie.

 

What's pathetic about a man not letting his age getting in the way of following his dreams?

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I want to get into the minds of those people who continually rag on Ford's age. First of all, his physical age is probably in the 60s, because he likes to stay in shape. Second, what makes you think he's doing all the stunts and being the "heroic" protagonist of yesteryear? If the writers know what they're up to, they'll write him as someone well aware of his age, and delegating the big stunts elsewhere.

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10 minutes ago, Thor said:

what makes you think he's doing all the stunts and being the "heroic" protagonist of yesteryear?

 

That's the appeal of Indiana Jones.

 

You don't see other characters take-over as the action heroes in the place of Bond in a James Bond film.

 

10 minutes ago, Thor said:

If the writers know what they're up to, they'll write him as someone well aware of his age, and delegating the big stunts elsewhere.

 

Enter Crystal Skull, Kingdom of the.

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28 minutes ago, Thor said:

I want to get into the minds of those people who continually rag on Ford's age. First of all, his physical age is probably in the 60s, because he likes to stay in shape. Second, what makes you think he's doing all the stunts and being the "heroic" protagonist of yesteryear? If the writers know what they're up to, they'll write him as someone well aware of his age, and delegating the big stunts elsewhere.

 

Again, you seem to be referring to a film outside of the Indiana Jones series.

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No way she's related to Indy, they already went down that road. I suppose she could be a nemesis, or perhaps Belloq's kid (though I'd guess Mangold wouldn't go in for such silliness).

 

The day this was announced, I said the film would feature a female student/protégé' of Indys, so I'm sticking with that.

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7 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:

I suppose she could be a nemesis

 

We had a glimpse of an Indy-themed Femme Fatale in Elsa, so its an option...

 

But that just reminds how much I prefer The Last Crusade being the last word on anything Indiana Jones. That riding off into the sunset is nothing short of perfect.

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Waller-Bridge is only 35 years old, she's too young to be the offspring of any of the characters from Raiders

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11 minutes ago, Thor said:

but I'd like to think the INDY series is more than it is.

 

I think this constant desire for "more", including at the cost of transmuting the nature of the series just in order to see a continuation of it, will ultimately result in fans bear-hugging the franchise to death.

 

Indy ended with The Last Crusade. It didn't end in the sense that Gotterdamerung is the end of the Ring (now there's one you can't do a sequel to: everyone died!) but it was an adventure that delved into Indy's past precisely so that it could end with the biggest (and most perfect) farewell to the character.

 

Was it @Nick1066 who said there's something to be said for riding off into the sunset and staying there? Yeah, that.

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16 minutes ago, Jay said:

Waller-Bridge is only 35 years old, she's too young to be the offspring of any of the characters from Raiders

 

Only if they set the new movie after 1971.

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18 minutes ago, Jay said:

Waller-Bridge is only 35 years old, she's too young to be the offspring of any of the characters from Raiders

Which is why I said she'll be his granddaughter. 

 

Or the granddaughter of someone related to Indy.

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11 minutes ago, Tom said:

50 bucks says Indy dies in this.  

 

Young Indiana Jones Chronicles are canon, so I'd assume that means Old Indy in those is also canon.  Even if they did remove those bookends from the DVDs.

 

But maybe he gets the eye patch in this?

 

I don't think he'll die in this.  People don't want to see Indy die.

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5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

It's evolution, man. First, they ditched Lucas, and then Spielberg.

 
Now they just need to get rid of Harrison Ford and maybe we’ll finally get a decent Indiana Jones movie!

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Harrison Ford was absolutely the problem. Not in his performance (even though that on its own was far from his best) but in the inherent issue of his age. The only reason we even have Mutt is because there was a need to write some of the action setpieces around Indy.

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10 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Harrison Ford was absolutely the problem. Not in his performance (even though that on its own was far from his best) but in the inherent issue of his age. The only reason we even have Mutt is because there was a need to write some of the action setpieces around Indy.

 

Warehouse scene, jungle chase, ants fighting scene. Outside of the chase through academia where he's just on the backseat, I don't really feel like any action scene in the movie was changed due to his age.

 

Now whether they were good scenes or not, sure I'll agree they were a bit lackluster compared to the original, but in good faith I don't think that's because of the age.

 

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Its not a question of whether you can substitute Ford with a stuntmen or a CG double. Its that audiences won't buy a 60-year-old (much less an 80-year-old) doing the more outandish action beats. Those inevitably get relegated to more youthful characters.

 

Literally, throughout most of the action setpieces in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull I don't so much wonder how Indy survives so much as I wonder how he doesn't throw his back out or bust a knee! Its sad and pathetic.

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