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Mikkelsen: "Interesting enough, again a little like Riders of Justice, there is kind of a genre mix in Indiana Jones always. There is something that is a little larger-than-life, almost back to the 30s with a Peter Lorre kind of feel, and then you have Indiana Jones who kind of is a straight man. But he does produce a lot of funny and interesting things, but there are different character genres in some of those films."

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(...) approached by a man named Otto (who was on the same train with Markus's wife) who informs him that the train accident wasn't a coincidence, but a planned murder to eliminate a key witness about to give evidence (...) identifies a suspicious man (...) interrogate (...) evidence (...) interrogate (...) The Riders attempt a drive-by shooting on the group, but Markus is able to kill the attackers (...)

 

Peter Lorre's character in The Maltese Falcon approached Bogart with a quest and offer.

 

So... we've got ourselves The Maltese Falcon (notably a film with an archeological topic!), but with more action and violence.

 

A perfect stylistic ground for throwback music!

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Mutt died on the way back to his home planet

Oh I'd be thrilled if they asked for a Golden Hollywood mystery/thriller throwback score from JW, something in the vein of The Maltese Falcon. Or even a seductive jazz score laced with saxophone (aka JW's score for CMIYC, also set in the 60s). Indy in a 60s New York jazz club would be fun!

 

I'm guessing one of the appeals of scoring Indy films is how malleable they are for musical genres. Williams can do almost anything with these themes and make it work.

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11 minutes ago, Fabulin said:

Indy V (2021/2022) will be as far from Raiders (1981) as Raiders was from The Maltese Falcon (1941). With Williams as a relic of the era (playing with Shirley Temple on the Fox lot, working under Alfred Newman), this could well be the last "great" score with direct roots in the Golden Age.

 

Well, that certainly puts it in perspective...

 

Someone should tweet that to Mangold!! I reckon he'd love trivia like this.

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1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Imagine his first appearance a shadowy silhouette with atmosphere and smoke. Kaminski could've gone to town and it would've played into Spielberg's modern sensibilities.

 

film-noir-big-combo.jpg

 

 

In Mangold's recent tweets there is a lot of black & white photography, of both the Hollywood and real world variety.

 

 

 

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I'd be stoked if they went that direction because cartoon antics like Temple of Doom would be a little... weird with an old Indy.


And I like the idea of returning to a Belloq-style antagonist that has Indy's measure. Even though all the villains are memorable, none have had a pre-existing relationship with Indy since Raiders; making it personal seems fitting for the final chapter.

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1 minute ago, crumbs said:

none have had a pre-existing relationship with Indy since Raiders; making it personal seems fitting for the final chapter.

oh god please don't let it be a crime gang of Sallah's children or Short Round or something. Make up someone new like Mac(... okay, not the greatest example, let's say Broadbent) that we're told he has a preexisting relationship with, that's a lot better than forcing old characters into reprising roles or turning coats for nostalgia.

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Just now, Holko said:

oh god please don't let it be a crime gang of Sallah's children or Short Round or something. Make up someone new like Mac(... okay, not the greatest example, let's say Broadbent) that we're told he has a preexisting relationship with, that's a lot better than forcing old characters into reprising roles or turning coats for nostalgia.

 

Oh of course, it should definitely be a new character. Enough of the old characters being shoehorned in, time for something new.

 

So long as it's not horrible shite like Mac :lol:

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How can we be absolutely sure Belloq was completely melted at the end of Raiders? The Ark is like nothing we’ve ever seen before...no one knows its secrets.
 

Perhaps something new, and unholy, was born out of the puddle of goo that was Bellosh.
 

 

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4 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:

How can we be absolutely sure Belloq was completely melted at the end of Raiders? The Ark is like nothing we’ve ever seen before...no one knows its secrets.
 

Perhaps something new, and unholy, was born out of the puddle of goo that was Bellosh.
 

 

That's so perfect because Belloq exploded but everyone always only focuses on Toht melting.

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54 minutes ago, Fabulin said:

With Disney behind it all, we can expect the watch that Belloq has shown Indy in Raiders to become a time machine that will rejuvenate dr. Jones :lol:

 

 

I know you were joking but holy shit that scene in Raiders is the reason why it's leaps and bounds better than the other ones.  The quick, witty and dark dialogue, the atmosphere, and the drive of both characters.

 

Maybe Mangold can bring this type of scene back, but it's Disney...

 

43 minutes ago, Nick1066 said:


😂 Even better! 👍

 

You know who else exploded? The Emperor. On the Death Star. Did he stay dead?

 

Connect the dots people.

 

 

Donovan was essentially Snoke.  I like where your head's at.

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4 hours ago, crumbs said:

 

Oh of course, it should definitely be a new character. Enough of the old characters being shoehorned in, time for something new.

 

So long as it's not horrible shite like Mac :lol:

 

The only problem with a new character that has an established relation with Indy is that they'll shoehorn it in the dialogue, like they did in the prequels or KOTCS. Like that elevator scene on AOTC :lol:

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Mac's introduction was fine.

 

His triple agent storyline was not.

 

Too many characters to care about by the time we learn that.

 

Waste of a character and an actor.  The idea of Indy doing WW2 missions with him was terrific, they really fumbled that.

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I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do.

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In all honesty, I’m 100% certain there won’t be aliens in this one. Buuut... Indy has always worked best in terrestrial adventures;) I could see the rogue scientist using the NASA tech to create some doomsday weapon for the nazis or whatever. Just PLEEASE don’t put Indy in Space.

We already have “Space Cowboys” lol.

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10 minutes ago, WampaRat said:

In all honesty, I’m 100% certain there won’t be aliens in this one. Buuut... Indy has always worked best in terrestrial adventures;) I could see the rogue scientist using the NASA tech to create some doomsday weapon for the nazis or whatever. Just PLEEASE don’t put Indy in Space.

We already have “Space Cowboys” lol.

 

They should have a space sequence like in Life of Brian.

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On 5/3/2021 at 6:16 PM, Cerebral Cortex said:

I keep doing the same thing! I'll think of Ford's "recent" performances in TFA and BR2049 as justification for how he could still pull off Indy V and forget that those films have been out for years now. :unsure:

 

But you forget Ford was also in The Rise of Skywalker, and looked/felt the same as he did in The Force Awakens. The movie had a TON of problems and I understand people blocking it from their memory and all, but I actually thought the scene between Han Solo and Kylo Ren was great, one of the best parts of the film and it was wonderful to see Ford in the role one more time (and giving a very strong performance, frankly). Compare that to JJ Abrams bringing back Leonard Nimoy as Spock one more time for a single scene in Star Trek Into Darkness (god I hate that movie and that scene SUCKED), and the Harrison Ford appearance in TRoS seems like even more of a miracle.

 

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If the rumour is accurate, I'm guessing it will be along these lines: the bad guy will be chasing some secret artifact they think can help NASA win the space race, but it turns out he wants it for some other nefarious purpose (Nazi related). Indy is called in to help find the ***insert McGuffin here*** and stop the Russians from winning the space race.

 

Is there any basis in history for such a plot? Did NASA or the US government pursue anything out of the ordinary during the 60s, in their efforts to beat the Russians to the moon?

 

And why do I get the feeling there will be some type of gag with Sputnik?

 

The potential for a retro visual aesthetic is alluring here, thinking back on those older Bond films (which the early Indy films certainly paid homage to, especially with interior sets).

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On 5/4/2021 at 11:06 AM, Bellosh said:

This might be a decent example.  No digital de-aging?  Also, I'm not too familiar with The League of Extraordinary Gentleman...are they comic book characters with super abilities?  If so, that kinda isn't what I meant.

 

Digital de-aging really didn't exist in 2003 when the film was made. That was Connery in an Indiana Jones-like role, in his mid 70s, and believable.

 

On 5/5/2021 at 7:17 AM, Goldfinger said:

I think people overestimate what people are willing to suspend their disbelief for. Yes, Ford is nearly 80 but the most popular films currently include talking trees, purple Spacemen bent on world destruction, and people with other superhuman powers.  If the script is good and the film is well done, people won't pick on Ford for his age.  If the film is crap like Crystal Skull was, well, then we'll get the same type of response.

 

Exactly this! Well said. Let's be at least cautiously optimistic until we see the actual film, okay? Mangold has done a ton of fine work.

 

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