Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023)

[mstrox 6,647]

1 hour ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

 

The real question involves bringing back dead actors in virtual performances (which, make no mistake, is coming), which will ultimately end up being a legal, not moral, question.

It’s here!  See Peter Cushing in Rogue One

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

1 minute ago, mstrox said:

It’s here!  See Peter Cushing in Rogue One

Personally, I thought that that was one of the highlights of the film. Guy Henry did a good job with mo-cap.

[Holko 9,499]

The real question would be things like studios owning an actor's likeness in some role and using it for bits and marketing in ways the actor themselves would be opposed to and not sign off on if they were given the chance.

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

9 minutes ago, mstrox said:

It’s here!  See Peter Cushing in Rogue One

 

Right. But that was little more than a cameo. But what about when the technology is such that you're going to be able to put, say, Humphrey Bogart as the leading man in a feature-length film? And I do think we'll get to that point.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

I'm sure that Crispin Glover would have something to say about this.

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

I see a possiblility, like the rumours about bruce willis having sold his image to some studio…

[Tom 4,639]

4 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

I see a possiblility, like the rumours about bruce willis having sold his image to some studio…

That could make for a very ironic Die Hard movie.  

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

They also did it in Furous 7 with Paul Walker & his brother in quite a few scenes.

[MaxMovieMan 269]

59 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

They also did it in Furous 7 with Paul Walker & his brother in quite a few scenes.

It looks so bad now.

[WampaRat 1,105]

Related to digitally resurrecting dead actors and the ethical/legal issues it raises, I’m reminded of this SciFi novel by Connie Willis from 1995 called “Remake”. I’m surprised that Hollywood hasn’t tried to make this a film yet (ironically)

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remake_(novel)

 

The cover and font are…ummm…dated even for 1995 😆But an interesting idea!

 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Someone posted the full issue on Reddit.

"The year is 1969. A man named Henry Jones Jr, near the end of his professional life, is staring retirement in the face like it's a swaying cobra. After decades of quests mingled with academic lessons, in which he's dispensed mountains of textbooks and whipped his way through endless hair-raising scenarios, he's facing the grim truth: it's all over. Compounding matters, the country he loves is transforming around him. This old-fashioned hero is now a man out of time. He will not, it's safe to say, be going to see Zabriskie Point.

But he has forgotten one thing. That if adventure has a name, it must be Indiana Jones. And adventure isn't done with him yet."

 

"Since marrying Marion Ravenwood, Indiana Jones has embraced - or tried to embrace - domesticity. He's initially reluctant, then, when that mischief arrives, in the form of Helena, played by Phoebe Waller-Bridge."

 

"If anyone in early meetings brought it up, I'd say, 'No Volumes, please!" says Mangold of rejecting the tech used by the likes of The Mandalorian to build worlds inside a studio. There are planes, trains, horses, trucks and - in a first for an Indy movie - helicopters. We will head to crypts, bazaars, even underwater (watch out for sea snakes!). "Every type of vehicle. Every country. We have scenes that are recreating really iconic, giant events," teases producer Simon Emanuel."

[Faleel 5,340]

5 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

 

 

 

Eye highlighting how we've missed thee.

[Jay 37,287]

7 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

 

 

In this picture he looks more like Jack Ryan than Indiana Jones

[WampaRat 1,105]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

In this picture he looks more like Jack Ryan than Indiana Jones

Just a tad…

[Brando 1,856]

Oh each day that passes just gets me so much more excited!

 

Oh I forgot….my friend I talk to online said a couple people he follows on Instagram were posting a supposed title for the film and even it’s not true, it sounds better than any other fan/fake title we’ve seen in my opinion…

Spoiler

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

[mstrox 6,647]

Spoiler

Indiana Jones and the Wand of Pleasure

 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

Spoiler

Indiana Jones and the Knowledge of the Interdimensional Beings

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Last Temple of the Crystal Skull.

 

Like Spectre did for Bond, it's gonna tie together the previous entries very neatly.

[crocodile 7,984]

Was Mads Mikkelsen behind everything all along?

 

Karol

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

41 minutes ago, Brando said:

Oh each day that passes just gets me so much more excited!

 

Oh I forgot….my friend I talk to online said a couple people he follows on Instagram were posting a supposed title for the film and even it’s not true, it sounds better than any other fan/fake title we’ve seen in my opinion…

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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

 

Spoiler

"There's only one dial of destiny you'll need this Christmas"

 

[WampaRat 1,105]

52 minutes ago, Brando said:

Oh each day that passes just gets me so much more excited!

 

Oh I forgot….my friend I talk to online said a couple people he follows on Instagram were posting a supposed title for the film and even it’s not true, it sounds better than any other fan/fake title we’ve seen in my opinion…

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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

Hmmm…I’ll need to sit with this if true. It just doesn’t strike me as a title to the final Indy adventure…But I’ll be 100% ok with it if the film is terrific.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

53 minutes ago, Brando said:

it sounds better than any other fan/fake title we’ve seen in my opinion…

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Dial of Destiny

 

I have to hard disagree 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

26 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Was Mads Mikkelsen behind everything all along?

 

Karol

It was me, all me, Indiana. The author of all your pain. Now, do you believe...in a reasonable rate of return?

I'm afraid your friend, Helena, is really...my friend, Helena.

[WampaRat 1,105]

Spoiler

I can’t help but think of “Butt Dial”

 

I like the “…of Destiny” though. Seems mysterious, pulpy, and conclusive.
 

Perhaps “Land of Destiny” “Shores of Destiny”…something a tad broader?Heck even “Key of Destiny.” “Dial” sounds a bit…office-supply-y 😄. Not sure why it sticks out. But again. I’ll eat my fedora if the film is great. 

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

INDIANA JONES AND THE BUTT DIAL OF DESTINY 

I'd buy that, for a dollar.

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

Like Spectre did for Bond, it's gonna tie together the previous entries very neatly.

 

I'd hate to see your house if that's your definition of "neat" 

 

Good article, it did what it was meant to and has "dialled" up my excitement quite a bit. I mostly can't wait to hear Helena's theme in all its glory. What a treat it is - memorable, lush, and just exquisite.

[crocodile 7,984]

50 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

It was me, all me, Indiana. The author of all your pain. Now, do you believe...in a reasonable rate of return?

I'm afraid your friend, Helena, is really...my friend, Helena.

Somehow, Toht returned.

 

Karol

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

10 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Somehow, Toht returned.

 

Karol

 

Who'd a toht it!

 

(I'll just show myself out)

[Anthony 572]

Quote

 

“There are rumours online of time-travel being part of the plot.”

 

“We have scenes that are recreating really iconic, giant events.”

 

 

Please, no.

[TolkienSS 405]

My gut tells me this will be like Obelix breaking off the nose of the Sphinx.

Only not nearly as funny or self-conscious.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

58 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said:

I'd hate to see your house if that's your definition of "neat" 

It was seamless!  They put Feige to shame for the intricacy of the tracks they had laid.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

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[WampaRat 1,105]

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Ok. In this context, that title sounds pretty cool. (From our friends over at The Raven forum:)

 

http://raven.theraider.net/threads/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-de

 

”The dial of destiny. A book very delectable and pleasant: wherein may be seen the continual and customable course, disposition, qualities, effects, and influence of the seven planets over all kinds of creatures here below: also the several and sundry situation of countries and kingdoms. Compiled and discussed briefly, as well astrologically, as poetically, and philosophically by John Maplet Maister of Arte” 

 

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

1 hour ago, Anthony said:

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“There are rumours online of time-travel being part of the plot.”

 

“We have scenes that are recreating really iconic, giant events.”

Please, no.

 

I get the impression the latter comment is in reference to things like the ticker-tape parade, i.e. big events contemporary to the film's setting. That said, if a time travel component does come to pass we'd better not see indulgent crap like Indy watching himself recovering the fertility idol and running from the boulder. I'd like to think that Mangold has a bit more awareness than that, not least because as others have noted Marvel did the same thing very recently.

 

[Andy 4,086]

I hope it’s titled

 

Indiana Jones and the 

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Pirates of Apollo

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just so we can abbreviate it “PoA”

[crumbs 14,301]

PWB on hearing Helena's Theme:

 

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

One thing I'd like to see them address in this film, given it will be the last one, is how Indy has finally resolved his own questions of faith.

 

He's presented as someone at least somewhat sceptical of religion (despite I suspect being raised Catholic) and all things supernatural in the first film, and to a certain extent the second, but by the end of the third film, he must be a believer of some sort given all he's seen. At the end of Raiders, he tells Marion to look away, suggesting he believes in the Arks power at least enough to close his eyes. At the end of Temple of Doom, he tells the villagers he understands the power of the Shankara stones, and in Last Crusade Donovan says "It's time to ask yourself what you believe." Clearly, Indy has seen enough to believe. The films themselves aren't neutral or nuanced on the issue, in context of the films, God is real, the power of God is real, the power of the Ark & Grail is real, as is the power of the Shankara stones. So what does Indy believe?

 

Who am I kidding, there’s no way they’re going there, but it's a fascinating aspect to the character (to me, at least) that has never really been resolved.

[Tom 4,639]

11 minutes ago, Andy said:

just so we can abbreviate it “PoA”

By that reasoning, I know wish Episode IX had been titled Promotion of Skywalker, or some such "P" word.  

[Edmilson 7,393]

29 minutes ago, crumbs said:

PWB on hearing Helena's Theme:

 

It's so cool to see 90-year-old John Williams write a score that is described as "120cc of pure adrenaline".

[crumbs 14,301]

The quote is a little confusing. It sounds like a reference to a previous score?

 

"As Spielberg once put it to Empire..."

[Tom 4,639]

1 minute ago, crumbs said:

The quote is a little confusing. It sounds like a reference to a previous score?

 

"As Spielberg once put it to Empire..."

It is not a new quote about the score.  the only thing new is PBW's comments on Helena's theme.  

[Amer 2,080]

Henceforth, this is what it will be left in for discussions in abbreviated form

 

"Indiana Jones and the DOD" 

 

(let's hope it's doesn't end up as a DUD) 

[JohnnyD 1,220]

7 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

Someone posted the full issue on Reddit.

"The year is 1969. A man named Henry Jones Jr, near the end of his professional life, is staring retirement in the face like it's a swaying cobra. After decades of quests mingled with academic lessons, in which he's dispensed mountains of textbooks and whipped his way through endless hair-raising scenarios, he's facing the grim truth: it's all over. Compounding matters, the country he loves is transforming around him. This old-fashioned hero is now a man out of time. He will not, it's safe to say, be going to see Zabriskie Point.

But he has forgotten one thing. That if adventure has a name, it must be Indiana Jones. And adventure isn't done with him yet."

 

"Since marrying Marion Ravenwood, Indiana Jones has embraced - or tried to embrace - domesticity. He's initially reluctant, then, when that mischief arrives, in the form of Helena, played by Phoebe Waller-Bridge."

 

"If anyone in early meetings brought it up, I'd say, 'No Volumes, please!" says Mangold of rejecting the tech used by the likes of The Mandalorian to build worlds inside a studio. There are planes, trains, horses, trucks and - in a first for an Indy movie - helicopters. We will head to crypts, bazaars, even underwater (watch out for sea snakes!). "Every type of vehicle. Every country. We have scenes that are recreating really iconic, giant events," teases producer Simon Emanuel."

My anticipation for this film has never been higher. I’ll be there opening night to see it in IMAX.

[Brando 1,856]

6 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I have to hard disagree 

Idk I remember seeing some really goofy ones before.

[WampaRat 1,105]

Will Empire post that full Indy article on their site? I know they’ve released little excerpts as a tease…

 

I think Mangold pulled a “Stranger Tides” and just repurposed this Harlequin Romance novel for Indy 😉

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

There's also another book from the early 1900's literally called Dial of Destiny.

[Tom 4,639]

Hey, at least the movie will not stink.  Alright, I am scraping the bottom of the barrel and going to bed.  

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,498]

6 hours ago, Andy said:

I hope it’s titled

 

Indiana Jones and the 

  Reveal hidden contents

Pirates of Apollo

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just so we can abbreviate it “PoA”

INDIANA JONES AND THE PIECE OF ASS 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

Indiana Jones and the Dungeons and Dragons 

[Andy 4,086]

8 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

INDIANA JONES AND THE PIECE OF ASS 

There ya go! 
 

“Look Marcus, I’ve got these pieces of ass. They’re good pieces. “

”Yes, Indiana they are nice. “

 

”im looking for a piece of ass your father collected. Hole in it off center with a crystal”

 

“Okie Dokie Dr. Jones, hold on to your piece of ass!”

 

“Some of the pieces of ass in your own collection are impressive, Donovan. “

 

“That piece of ass belongs in a museum!”