Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, Andy said: Fine by me. I love that movie Me too, it's so shitty Cerebral Cortex, Andy, DarthDementous and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,078 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 I guess something in me is either really simple, forgiving, or contrarian, but I was and still am genuinely surprised how derided it is. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 I wanted to scream at the director and screenwriter after I watched it. It's absolutely horrendous. I have never watched it since Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 all i could think of was that the third act was extremely boring, that Exegol is really boring, that the-dark-side-as-posession sucks, and that it sucked that film didn't give a shit about the droids. like, at least take the fun option and have C3PO guide you to the creepy planet. there are several cases of "take the most boring option". i have one idea about Exegol, but it wouldn't have fit into the runtime. too many speeder chases. of course, Carrie's death cripples the movie from the beginning, and it wouldn't have been possible to delay more the release. it was doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Andy said: I guess something in me is either really simple, forgiving, or contrarian, but I was and still am genuinely surprised how derided it is. It reminds me of a classic shitty (but still has entertaining) movie I'd watch in the theaters as a teen, like X Men Origins Wolverine, or Land of Lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,078 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 So just curious, is it sincerely entertaining to you like a guilty pleasure, or ironically entertaining like a so bad it’s good movie? Again, maybe it’s a character flaw, or a flaccid movie brain, but intend to not overthink my Star Wars. Edit: I don’t intend to portray myself as an ignorant idiot, because I don’t believe that I am. I just tend to go with the flow and enjoy escapist entertainment if I can. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Romão said: I have never watched it since I have. Its one of those movies that's bloody hillarious if you're in the right mood (and, preferably, inebriated). mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 i was very depressed at the cinema. the incredible horribleness of the prequels (which in some ways is worse horribleness, it's just stunning to be honest) is easier to romantize away because Disney is not involved and because i'm of a certain age so they've always been bad. (there's a lot of "if you grew up with the prequels you like them", which is really funny, because i don't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,078 Posted May 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2023 Nick1Ø66, Gabriel Bezerra, enderdrag64 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 it has a secret weapon of mass destruction (a young action heroine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2023 52 minutes ago, Andy said: So just curious, is it sincerely entertaining to you like a guilty pleasure, or ironically entertaining like a so bad it’s good movie? It is those things but I also like some of the character beats and some of the broad strokes storytelling And it has some great JW themes Brando, Gabriel Bezerra, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 I like, when Kylo fights Rey, that he has this WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU in his body language. Also he's obviously horny. It's kind of funny. Fun actor. I'm sorry. Indiana Jones. And the Indiana Jones Thread. It's a movie. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 903 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Brónach said: there's a lot of "if you grew up with the prequels you like them", which is really funny, because i don't). And likewise, I never got the "you like the earlier films more because they're part of your childhood" Yes, they are part of my childhood, but I can look back at them now, especially in terms of story structure and plot and confidentally say that I also liked the earlier films better because they were better written, amongst other things. Anyway, I was just curious what you were all talking about in the non-spoiler thread. I was wondering what there was to talk about! Back to spoliers for me! I'm a music fan first, film fan third or fourth. Just give me anything that'll make me wonder or saliva over what Williams could have come up with: Indy drinks some coffee - wow, I can't wait to hear what Williams wrote for that! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,272 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 Hadn't thought of it like this in pure numbers lol. The Indiana Jones series is mostly finales! Tallguy, Gabriel Bezerra, Chen G. and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 Can't wait for the next one! Brando, Gabriel Bezerra, Nick1Ø66 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,272 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 You mean the last one! The funniest is still Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter being the fourth out of twelve Not Mr. Big, Cerebral Cortex, Brando and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: You mean the last one! The funniest is still Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter being the fourth out of twelve I fucking love that The Last Crusade will now be the middle film in the saga haha Brando, Gabriel Bezerra, mrbellamy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,344 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Tomatometer is now 50%, smack bang in the middle. Just for comparison - Raiders - 93% TOD - 76% Last Crusade - 84% Crystal Skull - 77% Interesting that the lowest rated isn't Crystal Skull, albeit only by 1%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Temple is worse than it's remembered as. But Skull is worse than it's remembered as. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: Tomatometer is now 50%, smack bang in the middle. I think there’s enough of a sample size now to extrapolate where this film is going to land…i.e. around 65% in the high end and 35% on the low. Both are extremes, and neither is a good score. I suspect that it will end up where it is now…somewhere in low-mid 50’s when it’s all said and done. Disney really did make a big gamble putting this out at Cannes. It’s not just the bad reviews, it’s their ripple effect. These kind of things take on a momentum & conventional wisdom, and the critics at Cannes tend to be fairly high profile and influential. Critics are definitely influenced by what their peers say. I wouldn’t be surprised if the overall negative early assessment doesn’t impact on some level the next wave of reviews in six weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 I'm a little surprised by the RT score so far, reviews here in France are mostly positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 52 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: It’s not just the bad reviews, it’s their ripple effect. These kind of things take on a momentum & conventional wisdom, and the critics at Cannes tend to be fairly high profile and influential. There are already writeups about how poorly its recieved as Cannes. So obviously this is reverberating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, eitam said: I'm a little surprised by the RT score so far, reviews here in France are mostly positive. Well, the French love diesel automobiles & Jerry Lewis, so... eitam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,633 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 58 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Well, the French love diesel automobiles & Jerry Lewis, so... Go ahead and joke, as you are not German. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,943 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Not to be disrespectful to the general movoe going audience. But I don't think they're influenced at all by Cannes' high profile critics. Or critics in general. Look at Super Mario Brothers or Fast & Furious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 10 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: Not to be disrespectful to the general movoe going audience. But I don't think they're influenced at all by Cannes' high profile critics. Or critics in general. Look at Super Mario Brothers or Fast & Furious To be sure. The only people who are really influenced by movie critics are other movie critics. Indy 5 is going to make money. A lot of it. If it underperforms, it’s because of a lack of repeat viewings and poor audience buzz, not bad reviews from critics. That said, the bad reviews certainly don’t help. And while studios readily ignore bad reviews for things like The Transformers franchise (do any of them have a positive RT critics score?) because they make money & no one expects differently, you’ve got to think a director of Mangold’s quality and stature expected more. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Don’t underestimate the power of negative word of mouth. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: Don’t underestimate the power of negative word of mouth. It was what killed Batman v Superman and Josstice League back in 2016/7. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 i'm starting to think that this might be a failure not just with critics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,738 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 See? We’ve already influenced at least one guy with out negativity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,833 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 Just remember: Muad'Dib, Gabriel Bezerra, HunterTech and 12 others 6 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,359 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 I’m definitely in the “form my own opinion” category for TOD and KOTCS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,078 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 Indiana Jones Disenfranchisement Thread incoming… Cerebral Cortex, ThePenitentMan1, Brando and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 I really do not understand this Luddite attitude, especially from JWfaners. The film (which none of us has seen, by the way!), is 6 weeks away from general release. Who knows what sort of last-minute reshoots, or adjustments, could be made. Give the film a chance, guys. Gabriel Bezerra, Brando, Bayesian and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Yeah, plenty of time for a complete re-edit! ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 I'm creating my own movie scoring system: Rotten Tofartoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,633 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I really do not understand this Luddite attitude, especially from JWfaners. The film (which none of us has seen, by the way!), is 6 weeks away from general release. Who knows what sort of last-minute reshoots, or adjustments, could be made. Give the film a chance, guys. And a rescored ending. "Hey John, one more cue." Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I really do not understand this Luddite attitude, especially from JWfaners. The film (which none of us has seen, by the way!), is 6 weeks away from general release. Who knows what sort of last-minute reshoots, or adjustments, could be made. Give the film a chance, guys. Mate, if we're talking about reshoots saving the film six weeks out (not going to happen), it's looking pretty bad I'm giving the film a chance, I'd see an Indiana Jones film if it had half the RT score it has. But honestly, I'm not optimistic b/c many of the reviews do make it sound like I feared it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThePenitentMan1 741 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Tom said: And a rescored ending. "Hey John, one more cue." "Why, Jim?" "Because the Expansion in 20 years needs a satisfying ending for the Alternates section on Disc 3." Brando, Gabriel Bezerra and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Mate, if we're talking about reshoots saving the film six weeks out (not going to happen), it's looking pretty bad Didn't they do something similar with Rogue One? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Didn't they do something similar with Rogue One? They did extensive reshoots on Rogue One. But a lot more than six weeks out, and not after the film already premiered. And it was Tony Gilroy, not Gareth Edwards (who had already left the production) who did the reshoots, and he reportedly made significant changes to the film. I doubt Mangold is going to change his own film six weeks out to the extent Rogue One was changed, even if he could at this point. It's certainly not unheard of to tinker with a film after the premiere, but how much they can actually do that this point to save it (even if Mangold thinks it needs saving, which I doubt) is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: They did extensive reshoots on Rogue One. But a lot more than six weeks out, and not after the film already premiered. And it was Tony Gilroy, not Gareth Edwards (who had already left the production) who did the reshoots, and he reportedly made significant changes to the film. I doubt Mangold is going to change his own film six weeks out to the extent Rogue One was changed, even if he could at this point. It's certainly not unheard of to tinker with a film after the premiere, but how much they can actually do that this point to save it (even if Mangold thinks it needs saving, which I doubt) is questionable. Didn't they shoot the Vader ending very late? There's still time to tack on a Short Round ending, and everyone would be happy (even Yavar). Brando, Nick1Ø66 and Andy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,855 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Didn't they shoot the Vader ending very late? IIRC that was a month or two before release. Maybe even less. Jurassic Shark and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 50 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: They did extensive reshoots on Rogue One. But a lot more than six weeks out, and not after the film already premiered. And it was Tony Gilroy, not Gareth Edwards (who had already left the production) who did the reshoots, and he reportedly made significant changes to the film. I doubt Mangold is going to change his own film six weeks out to the extent Rogue One was changed, even if he could at this point. Right, and here they have six weeks to look at the reviews, look at the edit, decide what they want to shoot, wrangle the production crew, facilities and cast required for such reshoots, do VFX, and recut the whole thing. You can't shoot even two weeks of pickups in a six-week notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 but you can delete things. just cut down the dumb pointless things like cameos and stuff. bad for us, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Delete the Short Round cameo. Andy and Brando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 Of the people I talk to about films, not one of them would decide not to go to see a big blockbuster film based on a negative review from a film festival that no 'normal' people to go. This is just an exercise for critics to debate amongst themselves. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted May 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2023 On 18/05/2023 at 9:46 PM, Edmilson said: Bob Iger Has Watched ‘Dial of Destiny’ Five Times — and Says More Indy Franchise Extensions Are Possible The executive and director James Mangold beamed to IndieWire about the Harrison Ford movie at its big festival debut Gabriel Bezerra, Brando, Andy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I’d only be worried if a critic that had my expectations for the movie came away disappointed, but from the snippets I’m hearing they were expecting a very different film to what I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 13 hours ago, DarthDementous said: I’d only be worried if a critic that had my expectations for the movie came away disappointed, but from the snippets I’m hearing they were expecting a very different film to what I am How so? What kid of Indy film are you expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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