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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023)


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5 minutes ago, Brónach said:

yeah, plus Harrison was pushing his age in Temple

 

What?

 

11 hours ago, Chen G. said:

I swear, some people just need everything spelled out to them.

 

Who watches The Last Crusade and not realize its...not a conclusion, but a farewell. I'm not even talking about the closing shot, but also the fact it starts with a flashback to Indy's childhood, that it deals with his father (whose James Bond), its called THE LAST Crusade: anything and everything about it screams "final entry."

 

But some people really needed that "The End" title there.

 

Not to mention that he drank of the frickin' grail! How will that be handled in the new film?

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7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Not to mention that he drank of the frickin' grail! How will that be handled in the new film?

 

the grail is not a miracle cure

 

indy should have probably died in a motorcycle accident in the forties or something

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2 minutes ago, Brónach said:

indy should have probably died in a motorcycle accident in the forties or something

 

Or just live on in our collective imagination after he rode into the sunset?

 

I think that's by far the best option.

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12 minutes ago, Brónach said:

indy should have probably died in a motorcycle accident in the forties or something

 

What you want is a T. E. Lawrence biopic. Oh, we already have that.

 

27 minutes ago, Brónach said:

yeah, plus Harrison was pushing his age in Temple

 

What?

 

12 minutes ago, Brónach said:

the grail is not a miracle cure

 

Then how did the keeper of the grail live for so long?

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51 minutes ago, Brónach said:

 

yeah, plus Harrison was pushing his age in Temple and is too old in this one. if anything, the only thing that doesn't work in that sense is that it feels like you're missing some adventures. instead you get the pilot, the weird episode, and suddenly it's over.

Temple? He's in his all time peak form there!

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no he wasn't. he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should ideally be in his twenties. unfortunately, younger actors of the proper age rarely have the same presence. it is quite the paradox.

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1 hour ago, Romão said:

 

"The Grail cannot pass the Great Seal. That is the price of immortality"

Then shouldn't have Henry senior died from the gunshot wound upon leaving?  

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3 hours ago, Brónach said:

no he wasn't. he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should ideally be in his twenties. unfortunately, younger actors of the proper age rarely have the same presence. it is quite the paradox.


See, this is kind of my problem with the bits of Casino Royale where Bond acts like a petulant/headstrong brat ... Craig was 38 at the time. Would've made more sense for the 'runner-up' for the part (Henry Cavill, 22 at the time) to be acting like that, IMO.   

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19 minutes ago, Brónach said:

( exasperated noise about nerds not understanding the narrative logic of magic )

We get it--convenient plot devices--sonic screwdrivers for all occasions.  What else are we supposed to talk about--global affairs and politics?  

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1 minute ago, Tom said:

What else are we supposed to talk about--global affairs and politics?  

That's the only way Drax and Justin would return to main forum.

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If I look like that at 40 I’d be pretty happy. Heck, even an 80 year Harrison Ford is in better shape that me, and I’m 28.

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6 hours ago, Brónach said:

no he wasn't. he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should ideally be in his twenties.

 

Like Equalizer, Liam Neeson, or, uh, what's his name - James Bond?

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The age discussion really requires a big distinction.  It may be the case that a new action character should not debut as middle or old age (I am not even sure of this, but let's grant it for the sake of argument), but we are already invested in the character.  It is perfectly reasonable to be excited about seeing him even in later years.  It is no different than Kirk, Luke, Rocky, etc.  

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1 minute ago, Tom said:

It is no different than Kirk, Luke, Rocky, etc.  

 

Can't speak to Kirk here, but Rocky and Luke and much less comic characters than Indy.

 

Seeing an old Indy serves no purpose except being sad.

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3 hours ago, Tom said:

Then shouldn't have Henry senior died from the gunshot wound upon leaving?  

 

I wasn't going to say this before but since nobody's brought it up yet I will now.

 

There's a difference between a one-time healing of a fatal wound, and a sustained immortality.  The latter is what was undone once the Grail crossed the seal.

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19 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

Complaining about Fords TLC look....

 

I've seen it all from franchise fans at this point 

 

you guys fall for everything

 

2 hours ago, Tom said:

We get it--convenient plot devices--sonic screwdrivers for all occasions.  What else are we supposed to talk about--global affairs and politics?  

 

oh no, i like discussing this too much, it's just that it seemed obvious to me. it doesn't seem contrived. the power of it doesn't have to be retroactive.

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Am I becoming deaf or are you developing a sense of humor 

 

9 minutes ago, Brónach said:

 

you guys fall for everything

 

I wouldn't put that take past some people 

16 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

Whose complaining? Its one of my all-time favourite movies!

 

Hell yeah brother same 

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1 minute ago, Brónach said:

They should have done Raiders with toddlers, but technology didn't allow it at the time.

 

I can't remember who told me this, but if you listen to any movie with a George Lucas commentary on, and take a shot whenever the term "original intention" comes up...you'd get pretty hammered pretty quick. ROTFLMAO

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Correct. I do however think the implication is that, through the power of the grail, both Jonses got a good few more years, probably to compensate for the years they "lost" in their relationship in the past. That sort of stuff is the better part of what makes this film so glorious.

 

15 minutes ago, Laserschwert said:

I could see an entire Jackass episode of trying to get the Grail out of the temple.

 

"Who is the grail?"

 

"That cannot be said. But, if you are called into his service, such knowledge will not long be withheld from you. Behold: I think I know you well, for no earthly path leads you to him. For none scarcely could tread it, if the grail had no so willed it."

 

:D

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2 hours ago, Laserschwert said:

I'm pretty sure the rule was that the Grail would heal you from your wounds or illness every time you drink from it, which would allow you to prolongue your life which otherwise would have been cut short by natural causes. It doesn’t stop aging, as the temple knight was old and frail, but regular drinks from the cup prevented him from dying.

 

Now, the (divine) security measure was that you couldn't take the cup out of the temple with you, to enjoy its healing powers in the comfort of your living room. Hence staying in the temple was the "price for immortality". The security measure was not that it would lose its powers once out of the temple, but that God's will (or strings of bad luck) would prevent you from taking it outside in the first place. 

 

I could see an entire Jackass episode of trying to get the Grail out of the temple.


'Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville ... welcome to Jackass. This is 'Trying to smuggle the Holy Grail out in Steve-O's ass'. 

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16 hours ago, Alex said:

I liked the parts where they note JW is the “most revered living film composer in the world” and highlight his “traditional, and exceptional, approach to his artistry.”

 

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First box office predictions:

 

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Disney / Lucasfilm

June 30, 2023 (WIDE)

Opening Weekend Range: $81M-$111M

Domestic Total Range: $225M-$380M

 

https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-box-office-forecast-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-and-ruby-gillman-teenage-kraken/

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Based on reviews and what I perceive to be lack of interest in Indy from the 15-25 crowd, I think it will struggle to hit $225M.  

 

I also think the massive runtime is a huge mistake and will negatively affect repeat viewings. 

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