Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023)

[GerateWohl 4,343]

6 hours ago, JTW said:

The budget won't allow it.

It's already one of the most expensive films ever made at a budget of $300 million. It will have to make $850-900 million just to break even. 

If they had spent $100 million of the 300 just on Williams' score, it would have been well invested.

[JTN 2,002]

I hope he got paid at least $100 million (I wish). He absolutely deserves it. 

[Brando 1,857]

5 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

We need a return of narrow art movies. Where's Lucas when we need him?

Supervising post production on Episodes X-XII.

[Tom 4,640]

3 hours ago, JTW said:

I hope he got paid at least $100 million (I wish). He absolutely deserves it. 

Let's hope so.  I heard that he has been saving up to buy a turtle.  

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

1 minute ago, Tom said:

Let's hope so.  I heard that he has been saving up to buy a turtle.  

 

It would be a great accessorise!

[greenturnedblue 372]

1 hour ago, Brando said:

Supervising post production on Episodes X-XII.

They're already finished actually!

[Brando 1,857]

5 minutes ago, greenturnedblue said:

They're already finished actually!

Wait did I say X-XII? I meant XIII-XV!

[Edmilson 7,398]

8 minutes ago, Brando said:

Wait did I say X-XII? I meant XIII-XV!

Meh. I'm more hyped for Star Wars Episode XXX.

 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

Let's hope so.  I heard that he has been saving up to buy a turtle.  

 

Is that the slang term kids use for turtlenecks these days?

[Romão 2,274]

This may have been mentioned before, but I had no idea the Dial of Destiny was based on an actual artifact: 

 

 

This is very interesting stuff

[A. A. Ron 1,740]

All the Indiana Jones artifacts are based on real/supposedly real artifacts or types of artifacts.

[Brónach 1,301]

9 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

All the Indiana Jones artifacts are based on real/supposedly real artifacts or types of artifacts.

 

Skull is interestingly based on several hoaxes joined together.

 

What a frustrating movie. imo, "there's a city and there's a bunch of guys with no development who try to kill the heroes and then everything blows up and it lasts ten minutes" isn't really engaging,. and the place is in the title. and what is the point of taking the skull to Cuzcotopia if Cuzcotopia doesn't matter? Shouldn't the second half of the movie take place there with characters from there? It's really weirdly done in hindsight. the script is still too trapped in Darabont's script. you may not even need the soviets or the fbi at all (although the fbi could be fun if it were actually used. 1957 is a little late but Indy is an academic with criminal activities who fought nazis and went in weird trips he's a prime target. you could  also have him spend the entire movie outside the USA because of this, but you know we can't have that). "the aliens are here to study us" is, granted, spielbergian and "the aliens are archeologists" is fun but it's just vaguely added after the fact once you realize how empty the whole thing is. it's just not part of the movie.

[TolkienSS 405]

Crystal Skull borrows from a crapload of things that actually exist, especially the "aliens are archeologists" nod.

Its filmic qualities are questionable at best, but the actual story and realization is intriguing in a parascientific way.

[Holko 9,499]

The trilogy tap into well-established mythical ancient artifacts that already have centuries of background to them in various literature. KOCS taps into debunked hoaxes and racist conspiracy theories. DOD apparently taps into... a thing that was found?

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

3 hours ago, Holko said:

The trilogy tap into well-established mythical ancient artifacts that already have centuries of background to them in various literature. KOCS taps into debunked hoaxes and racist conspiracy theories.

I don’t know about the Crystal Skull’s being “racist”, but I do agree that it’s all based on rubbish paranormal, pseudoscientific conspiracy theories, as opposed to the ancient and grounded religious artifacts, all based on well-established myth, in the first three films.

 

3 hours ago, Holko said:

DOD apparently taps into... a thing that was found?

No comment, as this is a spoiler-free zone.

[Holko 9,499]

1 hour ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

I don’t know about the Crystal Skull’s being “racist”,

Maybe not that much within the movie but there's an underlying element of "stupid brown people couldn't have built all that, it must have been aliens!" to the concept.

[Brónach 1,301]

imo the whole grail stuff is not that old. it's merely medieval literature.

 

as for Temple "being based on things", bah, grumble, grumble, sigh

 

interestingly, UFO lore and usamerican UFO lore in particular seems to be about 80% the same as a lot of late 19th century early 20th century Irish folklore (probably also British, I'm just less familiar with that), so there was that way to ground it into something (also medieval); however, Spielberg had already done that point by point...

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

52 minutes ago, Holko said:

Maybe not that much within the movie but there's an underlying element of "stupid brown people couldn't have built all that, it must have been aliens!" to the concept.

Meh. They say the same thing about Stonehenge. 

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

2 hours ago, Brónach said:

 

imo the whole grail stuff is not that old. it's merely medieval literature.

 

Old enough.

[Brónach 1,301]

yeah it's old enough for me too

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

I wanted a Short Round movie with John Powell scoring.

[Brónach 1,301]

Ke Huy Quan is too old.

[King Mark 3,626]

On 26/05/2023 at 5:58 AM, Holko said:

Maybe not that much within the movie but there's an underlying element of "stupid brown people couldn't have built all that, it must have been aliens!" to the concept.

 

I think you've been sipping too many soy lattes.

[LB Makes Stuff 240]

On 26/5/2023 at 5:58 AM, Holko said:

Maybe not that much within the movie but there's an underlying element of "stupid brown people couldn't have built all that, it must have been aliens!" to the concept.

Huh? Where the hell did you get that from?

[A. A. Ron 1,740]

3 hours ago, King Mark said:

I think you've been sipping too many soy lattes.

Much of popular pseudo-archeology and ancient alien bullshit in particular has obvious racist overtones whether you want to admit it or not. The Indiana Jones films do perpetuate these cultural ideas, but that said, I wouldn’t call them major offenders in terms of spreading racist ideas (well arguably Temple of Doom might be…). They’re just modern serial adventures and can comfortably be described as “mostly harmless.” IMO, of course.

[King Mark 3,626]

28 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

Pseudo archeology and ancient alien bullshit in particular has obvious racist overtones whether you want to admit it or not.

 

Sounds like a typical social justice warrior comment (who are experts at finding something "problematic" with almost every movie ever made).

 

And Temple of Doom was one of the best movie theatrical experiences in my life. I kind of feel  bad for people who can't enjoy these movies for what they are because they're too obsessed in finding racism, sexism or something phobic in everything.

 

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

7 hours ago, Brónach said:

Harrison Ford is too old.

 

[HunterTech 987]

I'm just now reminded of Quinton Reviews videos on those History Channel programs, with the point that these conspiracy theorists unintentionally imply that people of color got all the cool alien shit and white folk didn't 

[A. A. Ron 1,740]

53 minutes ago, King Mark said:

 

Sounds like a typical social justice warrior comment (who are experts at finding something "problematic" with almost every movie ever made).

 

And Temple of Doom was one of the best movie theatrical experiences in my life. I kind of feel  bad for people who can't enjoy these movies for what they are because they're too obsessed in finding racism, sexism or something phobic in everything.

 

Oh yeah? Well yours was the half-baked response of someone who hates seeing discrimination criticized and yet feels they have the moral high ground over people who are actually brave enough to address such issues. It is just as important to talk about racism, sexism, homophobia and general bigotry today as it ever was and it’s disgusting that so many people insist on sticking their fingers in their ears so they can pretend these problems don’t exist.

[HunterTech 987]

Um, ToD? I thought it was KotCS that was being discussed (and even then fairly loosely if it's just about its inspirations).

[A. A. Ron 1,740]

I believe Holko was discussing Crystal Skull. Temple of Doom gets flack for portraying Indians as savages who eat monkey brains.

[King Mark 3,626]

I always saw the ToD supper scene as people from a different culture who eat things we're not accustomed to and might appear gross to us, and that's what made the scene funny. Not sure what's racist about it. But It appears you have a much broader definition of what racism is than I do.

[King Mark 3,626]

1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said:

It is just as important to talk about racism, sexism, homophobia and general bigotry today as it ever was and it’s disgusting that so many people insist on sticking their fingers in their ears so they can pretend these problems don’t exist.

 Whatever, watching movies and playing video games with this mindset doesn't sound like fun.

[HunterTech 987]

The notion that one can still be appreciative of a work in spite of having cultural issues with it is apparently difficult to believe for some.

[Holko 9,499]

I didn't say the movie is explicitly racist, I said it had much different and weaker inspirations than the previous ones.

[King Mark 3,626]

39 minutes ago, HunterTech said:

The notion that one can still be appreciative of a work in spite of having cultural issues with it is apparently difficult to believe for some.

 

Well, if your able  see it in a more detached ,analytical way, and still enjoy the movie, I guess at the end of the day you don't really care that stuff is in there and just acknowledge it. But if some of these things start offending you on a personal level to the point of making you feel uncomfortable, that probably makes the movie much less enjoyable.

35 minutes ago, Holko said:

I didn't say the movie is explicitly racist, I said it had much different and weaker inspirations than the previous ones.

 KotC is a pretty shit movie, but for many more reasons than the supposed racist undertones. I guess we can agree on that.

[Holko 9,499]

27 minutes ago, King Mark said:

KotC is a pretty shit movie, but for many more reasons than the supposed racist undertones. I guess we can agree on that.

Of course. While watching I hate it because while it's an awful looking meh/okay adventure movie, it's an awful looking crap Indy movie.

[Brónach 1,301]

7 hours ago, King Mark said:

 

who are experts at finding something "problematic" with almost every movie ever made.

 

look some people are just not myopic

4 hours ago, HunterTech said:

The notion that one can still be appreciative of a work in spite of having cultural issues with it is apparently difficult to believe for some.

 

this happens to me a lot. there's lots of stuff that i like in the skill of it and that can make me talk or learn about the medium, that at the same time can carry dumn political inertia or intentional things (those are different) or subtle or overt stuff (those are different) at the same time. i call this "good stuff but ugh" because i don't have a word for this.

 

unfortunately the myopia people sometimes try to prop up the "ugh stuff and ugh" into "good stuff but ugh", which is pretty ridiculous imo. not anything can manage to become "good stuff but ugh" under normal circumstances.

 

Kingdom for example is not "good stuff but ugh" at all. Temple has elements of "good stuff" among the ugh. That's why Temple is actually frustrating, but one has to make an effort to reemember the existence of Kingdom.

[Nick1Ø66 4,689]

7 hours ago, HunterTech said:

I'm just now reminded of Quinton Reviews videos on those History Channel programs, with the point that these conspiracy theorists unintentionally imply that people of color got all the cool alien shit and white folk didn't 

 

Hey, again, the aliens built Stonehenge for the white folk! And they gave us Tom Cruise.

[Brónach 1,301]

7 hours ago, HunterTech said:

I'm just now reminded of Quinton Reviews videos on those History Channel programs, with the point that these conspiracy theorists unintentionally imply that people of color got all the cool alien shit and white folk didn't 

 

the aliens gave us all that music stuff i guess

[GerateWohl 4,343]

I recently saw a documentry about the Indiana Jones series which quite clearly described that Indiana Jones stood from the very beginning in the footsteps of a highly colonialistic and racist genre of adventure movies from the 30s, 40s and 50s. 

I mean , think about, by today's standards: Travel around the world, get some statue out of a temple, take it home and put it into your local museum. Not possible anymore.

[Brónach 1,301]

They do it with fossils, and they do it in war.

 

does "Raiders" work as some sort of redemption story? i kind of always get that vibe with that one. "Temple" even verbalizes something similar but different, but it gets a bit muddled

[BrotherSound 2,242]

One month to go!

[Andy 4,090]

Found this on my feed.  I like the satisfied feeling of it.  (although his jacket is wrong)

 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

Indiana Jones and the House of Wax

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

Character posters!

 

 

[Jay 37,322]

I thought the fourth poster was Pedro Pascal at first

[Bellosh 3,398]

Those look AI generated

 

Awful

[Loert 2,510]

Can they not figure out who the real Indiana Jones is? Harrison Ford's looks haven't changed that much, surely...

[Edmilson 7,398]

10 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

Those look AI generated

 

Awful

Chances are, they probably were AI generated indeed. After all, Disney needs to cut costs and good designers are expensive.