Jurassic Shark 11,079 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 5 minutes ago, Brónach said: yeah, plus Harrison was pushing his age in Temple What? 11 hours ago, Chen G. said: I swear, some people just need everything spelled out to them. Who watches The Last Crusade and not realize its...not a conclusion, but a farewell. I'm not even talking about the closing shot, but also the fact it starts with a flashback to Indy's childhood, that it deals with his father (whose James Bond), its called THE LAST Crusade: anything and everything about it screams "final entry." But some people really needed that "The End" title there. Not to mention that he drank of the frickin' grail! How will that be handled in the new film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Not to mention that he drank of the frickin' grail! How will that be handled in the new film? the grail is not a miracle cure indy should have probably died in a motorcycle accident in the forties or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,522 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, Brónach said: indy should have probably died in a motorcycle accident in the forties or something Or just live on in our collective imagination after he rode into the sunset? I think that's by far the best option. ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 sure, i'm just describing my own imagination right in this moment! Chen G. and A. A. Ron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,079 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 12 minutes ago, Brónach said: indy should have probably died in a motorcycle accident in the forties or something What you want is a T. E. Lawrence biopic. Oh, we already have that. 27 minutes ago, Brónach said: yeah, plus Harrison was pushing his age in Temple What? 12 minutes ago, Brónach said: the grail is not a miracle cure Then how did the keeper of the grail live for so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What you want is a T. E. Lawrence biopic. at least someone gets my bad jokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 8,942 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 51 minutes ago, Brónach said: yeah, plus Harrison was pushing his age in Temple and is too old in this one. if anything, the only thing that doesn't work in that sense is that it feels like you're missing some adventures. instead you get the pilot, the weird episode, and suddenly it's over. Temple? He's in his all time peak form there! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 no he wasn't. he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should ideally be in his twenties. unfortunately, younger actors of the proper age rarely have the same presence. it is quite the paradox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,079 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 17 minutes ago, Brónach said: nah he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should have been what, in his twenties? Ageism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,244 Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: What? Not to mention that he drank of the frickin' grail! How will that be handled in the new film? "The Grail cannot pass the Great Seal. That is the price of immortality" Gabriel Bezerra, Brónach, StarFox and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,674 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 54 minutes ago, Romão said: "The Grail cannot pass the Great Seal. That is the price of immortality" Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,176 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Romão said: "The Grail cannot pass the Great Seal. That is the price of immortality" Then shouldn't have Henry senior died from the gunshot wound upon leaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 ( exasperated noise about nerds not understanding the narrative logic of magic ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 309 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Now that young Indy is on Disney+, they should do a series called The Adventures of Old Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,126 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, Brónach said: no he wasn't. he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should ideally be in his twenties. unfortunately, younger actors of the proper age rarely have the same presence. it is quite the paradox. See, this is kind of my problem with the bits of Casino Royale where Bond acts like a petulant/headstrong brat ... Craig was 38 at the time. Would've made more sense for the 'runner-up' for the part (Henry Cavill, 22 at the time) to be acting like that, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,176 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 19 minutes ago, Brónach said: ( exasperated noise about nerds not understanding the narrative logic of magic ) We get it--convenient plot devices--sonic screwdrivers for all occasions. What else are we supposed to talk about--global affairs and politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 6,153 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Tom said: What else are we supposed to talk about--global affairs and politics? That's the only way Drax and Justin would return to main forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 35,216 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5,995 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Wonder if we'll get any old regulars popping in next month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 35,216 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Maybe that's when @Disco Stu or @publicist will return? Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 5,995 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Who? Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 8,942 Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 5 hours ago, Brónach said: no he wasn't. he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should ideally be in his twenties. unfortunately, younger actors of the proper age rarely have the same presence. it is quite the paradox. Who gives a shit, just look at him TolkienSS, Andy and Brónach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,731 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 If I look like that at 40 I’d be pretty happy. Heck, even an 80 year Harrison Ford is in better shape that me, and I’m 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 382 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 6 hours ago, Brónach said: no he wasn't. he was already in his forties. for a physical action hero, he should ideally be in his twenties. Like Equalizer, Liam Neeson, or, uh, what's his name - James Bond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,079 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Or Tom Cruise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 382 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Or Keanu Reeves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 6,153 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Keanu was an awesome action star as a young man and now as an older one. And I'm sure the same will be truth for HF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,176 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 The age discussion really requires a big distinction. It may be the case that a new action character should not debut as middle or old age (I am not even sure of this, but let's grant it for the sake of argument), but we are already invested in the character. It is perfectly reasonable to be excited about seeing him even in later years. It is no different than Kirk, Luke, Rocky, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,522 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Tom said: It is no different than Kirk, Luke, Rocky, etc. Can't speak to Kirk here, but Rocky and Luke and much less comic characters than Indy. Seeing an old Indy serves no purpose except being sad. A. A. Ron and Brónach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,000 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Complaining about Fords TLC look.... I've seen it all from franchise fans at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 491 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, Tom said: Then shouldn't have Henry senior died from the gunshot wound upon leaving? I wasn't going to say this before but since nobody's brought it up yet I will now. There's a difference between a one-time healing of a fatal wound, and a sustained immortality. The latter is what was undone once the Grail crossed the seal. Gabriel Bezerra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 19 minutes ago, Bellosh said: Complaining about Fords TLC look.... I've seen it all from franchise fans at this point you guys fall for everything 2 hours ago, Tom said: We get it--convenient plot devices--sonic screwdrivers for all occasions. What else are we supposed to talk about--global affairs and politics? oh no, i like discussing this too much, it's just that it seemed obvious to me. it doesn't seem contrived. the power of it doesn't have to be retroactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,522 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 23 minutes ago, Bellosh said: Complaining about Fords TLC look.... Whose complaining? Its one of my all-time favourite movies! Bellosh and Brónach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Holko said: Who gives a shit, just look at him he looks cool, his scene flirting with willie makes me wish for a movie butch with similar vibes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,000 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Am I becoming deaf or are you developing a sense of humor 9 minutes ago, Brónach said: you guys fall for everything I wouldn't put that take past some people 16 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Whose complaining? Its one of my all-time favourite movies! Hell yeah brother same Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,533 Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 He was too old in Raiders Chen G., Brónach, Bellosh and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,522 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 He belonged in a musem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 They should have done Raiders with toddlers, but technology didn't allow it at the time. Chen G. and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,522 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Brónach said: They should have done Raiders with toddlers, but technology didn't allow it at the time. I can't remember who told me this, but if you listen to any movie with a George Lucas commentary on, and take a shot whenever the term "original intention" comes up...you'd get pretty hammered pretty quick. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 5,995 Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: He was too old in Raiders For Marion! Muad'Dib, Not Mr. Big, crumbs and 6 others 1 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,278 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 mrbellamy, your avatar makes me hungry. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,731 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Production notes on the film (beware of spoilers) https://assets.gettyimages.com/bf-boulder-whitelabelbucket-getty-prod/vq4grc3qf9b8t3h5rscm78t4/v/1103627808/original/INDIANAJONESPRODUCTIONNOTES053023.pdf Brando and greenturnedblue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laserschwert 414 Posted June 3 Popular Post Share Posted June 3 14 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: I wasn't going to say this before but since nobody's brought it up yet I will now. There's a difference between a one-time healing of a fatal wound, and a sustained immortality. The latter is what was undone once the Grail crossed the seal. I'm pretty sure the rule was that the Grail would heal you from your wounds or illness every time you drink from it, which would allow you to prolongue your life which otherwise would have been cut short by natural causes. It doesn’t stop aging, as the temple knight was old and frail, but regular drinks from the cup prevented him from dying. Now, the (divine) security measure was that you couldn't take the cup out of the temple with you, to enjoy its healing powers in the comfort of your living room. Hence staying in the temple was the "price for immortality". The security measure was not that it would lose its powers once out of the temple, but that God's will (or strings of bad luck) would prevent you from taking it outside in the first place. I could see an entire Jackass episode of trying to get the Grail out of the temple. Chen G., Gabriel Bezerra, StarFox and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,522 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Correct. I do however think the implication is that, through the power of the grail, both Jonses got a good few more years, probably to compensate for the years they "lost" in their relationship in the past. That sort of stuff is the better part of what makes this film so glorious. 15 minutes ago, Laserschwert said: I could see an entire Jackass episode of trying to get the Grail out of the temple. "Who is the grail?" "That cannot be said. But, if you are called into his service, such knowledge will not long be withheld from you. Behold: I think I know you well, for no earthly path leads you to him. For none scarcely could tread it, if the grail had no so willed it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,126 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 2 hours ago, Laserschwert said: I'm pretty sure the rule was that the Grail would heal you from your wounds or illness every time you drink from it, which would allow you to prolongue your life which otherwise would have been cut short by natural causes. It doesn’t stop aging, as the temple knight was old and frail, but regular drinks from the cup prevented him from dying. Now, the (divine) security measure was that you couldn't take the cup out of the temple with you, to enjoy its healing powers in the comfort of your living room. Hence staying in the temple was the "price for immortality". The security measure was not that it would lose its powers once out of the temple, but that God's will (or strings of bad luck) would prevent you from taking it outside in the first place. I could see an entire Jackass episode of trying to get the Grail out of the temple. 'Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville ... welcome to Jackass. This is 'Trying to smuggle the Holy Grail out in Steve-O's ass'. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,244 Posted June 3 Popular Post Share Posted June 3 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: Correct. I do however think the implication is that, through the power of the grail, both Jonses got a good few more years, probably to compensate for the years they "lost" in their relationship in the past. That sort of stuff is the better part of what makes this film so glorious. I particularly like when Donovan says to Indy: "Find the man and you will find the Grail". We only get the true meaning of that sentence at the end of the movie crumbs, Chen G., Not Mr. Big and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 5,995 Posted June 3 Popular Post Share Posted June 3 8 hours ago, Laserschwert said: I'm pretty sure the rule was that the Grail would heal you from your wounds or illness every time you drink from it, which would allow you to prolongue your life which otherwise would have been cut short by natural causes. It doesn’t stop aging, as the temple knight was old and frail, but regular drinks from the cup prevented him from dying. Now, the (divine) security measure was that you couldn't take the cup out of the temple with you, to enjoy its healing powers in the comfort of your living room. Hence staying in the temple was the "price for immortality". The security measure was not that it would lose its powers once out of the temple, but that God's will (or strings of bad luck) would prevent you from taking it outside in the first place. In that way immortality is presented as a sacrifice and an act of service. The only reason you are permitted to live forever (or at least indefinitely) is to keep the Grail safe. So only someone who is worthy would even desire to take on such a thing in the first place. Gabriel Bezerra, Brando, Brónach and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,264 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 16 hours ago, Alex said: Production notes on the film (beware of spoilers) https://assets.gettyimages.com/bf-boulder-whitelabelbucket-getty-prod/vq4grc3qf9b8t3h5rscm78t4/v/1103627808/original/INDIANAJONESPRODUCTIONNOTES053023.pdf I liked the parts where they note JW is the “most revered living film composer in the world” and highlight his “traditional, and exceptional, approach to his artistry.” Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 6,153 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 First box office predictions: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Disney / Lucasfilm June 30, 2023 (WIDE) Opening Weekend Range: $81M-$111M Domestic Total Range: $225M-$380M https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-box-office-forecast-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-and-ruby-gillman-teenage-kraken/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,176 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Based on reviews and what I perceive to be lack of interest in Indy from the 15-25 crowd, I think it will struggle to hit $225M. I also think the massive runtime is a huge mistake and will negatively affect repeat viewings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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