Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023) - NO SPOILERS HERE

[Brónach 1,275]

because people with decision power AND often the audience don't care about visual art

 

(and in the case of movie posters because they want the audience to relate the style of a poster to other similar posters for similar movies, even if they're crap in both cases. this makes selling something like Indy 5 in a poster really hard because Indy is shall we say vintage)

[Edmilson 6,105]

People are expecting it to open with around $65 million domestic (close to Fast X's opening) and $140 millions global.

 

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Facing the worst reviews ever for an Indiana Jones movie, the Lucasfilm franchise finale Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is hoping to gain traction with audiences and best its $60 million-$65 million domestic start and $140M global opening.

https://deadline.com/2023/06/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-box-office-projection-2-1235425453/

 

It'd be a decent number... had the movie not been so expensive.

[Pieter Boelen 698]

Whatever did this film need to be so expensive for in the first place?

Raiders was famously made on quite a tight budget.

And that worked wonders.

[filmmusic 1,677]

52 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said:

Whatever did this film need to be so expensive for in the first place?

Raiders was famously made on quite a tight budget.

And that worked wonders.

They needed to pay the CGI artists!

[Pieter Boelen 698]

15 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

They needed to pay the CGI artists!

I assumed the de-aging is a large part of it.

Other than that, why would an Indy movie need so much CGI?

[Bellosh 2,964]

A lot of reviews have said this is the best de-aging of all time, given the amount of it.  So yeah I guess that would be a reason why

[filmmusic 1,677]

11 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said:

I assumed the de-aging is a large part of it.

Other than that, why would an Indy movie need so much CGI?

Because it's a movie of its era, and all such movies now have CGI. (which I hate by the way! I prefer old school practical effects)

[Andy 3,522]

23 hours ago, Signals said:

Dial I for....

That’s pretty goddam brilliant the more I think of it. 
 

Trailer guy voice:

”This Summer…

Dial “I”

for ADVENTURE!!! 
 

It works for me. 

[Presto 4,657]

Thank Hitchcock!

[Brónach 1,275]

9 hours ago, Bellosh said:

A lot of reviews have said this is the best de-aging of all time, given the amount of it.  So yeah I guess that would be a reason why

 

i doubt it's this.

[Sweeping Strings 2,115]

'Tomatometer' is now at 66%. Wondering if it'll peak around the mid-to-late 70s? 

[Jurassic Shark 11,039]

9 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said:

why would an Indy movie need so much CGI?

 

KotCS called...

 

10 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said:

Whatever did this film need to be so expensive for in the first place?

 

They needed to pay Ford. 

[Andy 3,522]

2 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said:

'Tomatometer' is now at 66%. Wondering if it'll peak around the mid-to-late 70s? 

That’s about when I peaked. Then it was all downhill. 

[King Mark 3,505]

I expect the film to be much better than the early haters and bad reviews have been saying

[Brónach 1,275]

i read someone say that it was like watching paint dry until the last twenty minutes. that a kid was bored and wanted to leave after twenty minutes and another one a while later

[King Mark 3,505]

well maybe it's not for small children with ADD

[Antonb 116]

It pains me to say it. I love the first 3 and like some parts of KOTCS, but this was a terrible movie. It will win all the razzies next year, nothing really works about it. The 3rd act is awful

[Pieter Boelen 698]

3 hours ago, King Mark said:

I expect the film to be much better than the early haters and bad reviews have been saying

I just came back from seeing it and I'm very happy we got another good adventure.

I like it!

 

The friend I watched it with not though.

I guess it depends on what you want out of it...

[A. A. Ron 1,376]

So what did he want out of it? And what did you want out of it?

[filmmusic 1,677]

9 hours ago, Antonb said:

It pains me to say it. I love the first 3 and like some parts of KOTCS, but this was a terrible movie. It will win all the razzies next year, nothing really works about it. The 3rd act is awful

Here in Greece, the review by a critic who I trust and loves the first film, gave it 1,5 out of 5 stars.

Again he says how terrible it is...

I was expecting it, no surprises here.

[rough cut 1,639]

I saw the film yesterday. That score is fair.

[Sweeping Strings 2,115]

13 hours ago, King Mark said:

well maybe it's not for small children with ADD

I remember a father leaving a screening of The Lego Batman Movie I was at because his 2 crotch-droppings were being disruptive little shits. A glorious moment. 

[Pieter Boelen 698]

9 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

So what did he want out of it? And what did you want out of it?

He went in completely unspoiled.

I had been keeping up with all the developments, except reading the Cannes synopsis spoilers and reviews.

I am a BIG BIG Indiana Jones fan and he not so much.

He's more loyal to Star Wars.

And he tends to be more critical in general.

Me, I'm just a sucker for fun adventure stuff.

I even like the 1985 King Solomon's Mines.

 

8 hours ago, filmmusic said:

Here in Greece, the review by a critic who I trust and loves the first film, gave it 1,5 out of 5 stars.

Again he says how terrible it is...

I was expecting it, no surprises here.

THAT low? What movie did he watch??

Make up your own mind is my recommendation.

I honestly did not notice anything offensively horrible.

Unlike Crystal Skull, which really has low lows.

[Sweeping Strings 2,115]

As long as there's decent action/stunts, whip-crackin', creepy tombs/caverns with booby traps/puzzles, humour, Nazis getting punched (and the odd horrible death), that ol' Indy roguish charm, copious use of the theme, Phoebe Waller-Bridge not ending up dominating proceedings and it doesn't feel half-an-hour too long ... I'll be happy.      

[Holko 8,886]

15 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said:

whip-crackin',

well

15 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said:

copious use of the theme

weeeelll

15 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said:

Phoebe Waller-Bridge not ending up dominating proceedings

weeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllll

16 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said:

and it doesn't feel half-an-hour too long

weeeeeeeelllllllll

[Pieter Boelen 698]

I only remember one scene with the whip and we had seen it before.

I could've done with one more...

 

The March appears more in the film than on the album.

Still a bit low on it, but it's not too bad.

 

The attention between PWB and Ford seemed to be pretty evenly balanced.

People were worried about it before, but I didn't spot a problem.

 

The movie is the longest in the series and still I didn't want it to end.

I'm happy it's not shorter.

Hoping for some cool deleted scenes on the Blu-Ray release.

[Sweeping Strings 2,115]

38 minutes ago, Holko said:

well

weeeelll

weeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllll

weeeeeeeelllllllll

Managing to post while falling over is quite impressive, kudos! 

[Antonb 116]

I sat at home trying to find things i like about it!  It was hard work to come up with anything. Even though Im a big fan of the originals.  I just wanted a good movie. not a great one, but Im afraid its really poor.

[Pieter Boelen 698]

1 hour ago, Antonb said:

I sat at home trying to find things i like about it!  It was hard work to come up with anything. Even though Im a big fan of the originals.  I just wanted a good movie. not a great one, but Im afraid its really poor.

I'm sorry you watched a different movie than I did.

I had been really scared for this one, but the final result put my fears to rest.

I honestly had a blast.

[JNHFan2000 2,325]

I'm with you @Pieter Boelen.

Had a blast, so did the rest of my audience. Amd it really feels like a lot of people have seen a different film than I have

[Brando 1,614]

I just got home and I liked it! 

[crumbs 13,858]

The audience rating is very positive on Rotten Tomatoes (89%), but the early Thursday box office numbers are very poor ($6-7.5m).

[Manakin Skywalker 4,626]

39 minutes ago, crumbs said:

The audience rating is very positive on Rotten Tomatoes (89%), but the early Thursday box office numbers are very poor ($6-7.5m).

 

Honestly I wouldn't expect a whole lot of people to go before the weekend. It'll probably go up significantly starting tomorrow.

[King Mark 3,505]

I'm shocked I showed up at the theater on opening night expecting it to be sold out for days  and got an Imax seat at the best spot in the theater. And there was only about 20 people in the cinema.

 

It's almost like the hype is inexistent for this movie.

 

I liked the film, it's better than Crystal Skull for sure and Harrison Ford is still Indiana Jones. Helena's a good sidekick and the story was alright. Too much CGI though .I have to see it again because as with all JW scored movies I get distracted in my first viewing trying to spot the unreleased music .The mix is pretty bad and lots of the music is buried under sound effects

[Mephariel 389]

Are people really expecting Indiana Jones to be a smash hit in 2023?

[Jay 34,937]

I was until the Cannes reactions

 

IJ4 was a huge hit 

[Mephariel 389]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

I was until the Cannes reactions

 

IJ4 was a huge hit 

 

IJ4 was 15 years ago when Spielberg was still a big name. James Bond is far more popular than Indiana Jones now and NOTD only opened to $55 million with a similar type of audience. 

[Sweeping Strings 2,115]

NOTD's box office came to just over 774 million, a hundred million or so less than SPECTRE (which itself took around 200 million less than Skyfall). It's reckoned MGM lost money on NOTD. 

Its BO take can partially be blamed on Covid, but I reckon it's also down to it straying too far from what audiences expect from Bond.   

[TolkienSS 382]

4 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said:

NOTD's box office came to just over 774 million, a hundred million or so less than SPECTRE (which itself took around 200 million less than Skyfall). It's reckoned MGM lost money on NOTD. 

Its BO take can partially be blamed on Covid, but I reckon it's also down to it straying too far from what audiences expect from Bond.   

 

You mean, like, victorious and not dying?

Well what a shock.

[Andy 3,522]

I enjoyed it, but it's complicated.

 

My review is in the Spoliler Thread.  Link below.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Edmilson 6,105]

9 hours ago, crumbs said:

The audience rating is very positive on Rotten Tomatoes (89%), but the early Thursday box office numbers are very poor ($6-7.5m).

According to Deadline, that's pretty much on par with previous action movies starring "older heroes from the past", like No Time to Die and Fallout.

 

Performing on the same level of these movies would actually be decent for Indy... Had it not been so expensive.

[Sweeping Strings 2,115]

57 minutes ago, TolkienSS said:

 

You mean, like, victorious and not dying?

Well what a shock.

Yep. And not being a parent and not having scenes more suited to a 'Scandi noir'. 

[King Mark 3,505]

I'm seeing an anti Kathleen Kennedy backlash against this film for being another "woke disaster" , with some Youtubers urging fans to boycott the film.

 

But this time I personally don't see it. Harrison Ford is still great as Indiana Jones and Helena acts like a spoiled brat during most of the movie but her character ark is well fleshed out and she evolves to care about Indy and I thought she was a pretty good female sidekick overall.

 

But I think it's Disney's fault for pushing divisive identity politics so hard in the past few years that they pissed off a large portion of the fanbase and now they see something wrong with everything even when it's actually ok.  I think it might be one of the reasons Disney films have been doing poorly at the box office lately.

[Holko 8,886]

[Jilal 554]

Went to see the movie with my stepfather, thought that'd be a nice thing to do together. My experience was completely ruined by a bunch of arrogant little brats right next to me who couldn't shut their mouths for one damn second and were so damn caught up scrolling through their friggin' Instagram feed they probably saw diddly-squat of the actual movie ... Where is Anakin when you need him?

[Andy 3,522]

Sorry man. That really blows. 

[Andy 3,522]

Found some nice alternate poster designs from artist Tony Stella’s Instagram page.  And an alternate custom soundtrack cover!

 

 

[Mr. Who 868]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/indiana-jones-dial-destiny-cameo-marian-b2367582.html

 

I just read this article where it states that Marion had a bigger part in the movie before Spielberg left and Mangold took over directing duties. I haven't followed the production of this movie but do we know other details of changes after Spielberg left?

 

I really wish that Salla and Marion had been in the movie more. Marion was great in KOTKS so it felt natural that she'd be in this one properly. I wonder what Spielberg's movie would have been like.

[Pieter Boelen 698]

1 hour ago, Mr. Who said:

I really wish that Salla and Marion had been in the movie more. Marion was great in KOTKS so it felt natural that she'd be in this one properly. I wonder what Spielberg's movie would have been like.

I was a bit bummed out that Sallah went through all the trouble of taking his passport, but then Indy convinced him to stay in the States.

Bugger! So close!

[Sweeping Strings 2,115]

13 hours ago, Jilal said:

Went to see the movie with my stepfather, thought that'd be a nice thing to do together. My experience was completely ruined by a bunch of arrogant little brats right next to me who couldn't shut their mouths for one damn second and were so damn caught up scrolling through their friggin' Instagram feed they probably saw diddly-squat of the actual movie ... Where is Anakin when you need him?

The likes of this is exactly why I'm going to a 10:00 am screening tomorrow morning. For me nowadays when it comes to seeing 'big' movies, the smaller the amount of fellow patrons the better.