Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted June 23, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2016 I don't think anyone really has a problem with the overall premise of the prequels. In fact, it was a promising one. Just execution was all wrong, so you end up with some ambitiously craptacular films. Cerebral Cortex, Once, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, KK said: I don't think anyone really has a problem with the overall premise of the prequels. In fact, it was a promising one. Just execution was all wrong, so you end up with some ambitiously craptacular films. Execution wasn't perfect (e.g. the love dialogue) but Lucas and the other filmmakers deserve way more respect for their creation than they are getting. You know, here's what I think might be the reason for the disconnect between my opinion and that of most others: I am a huge Star Wars fan, and my favorite part about the saga (not counting the music) is the opportunity for analysis and thinking about the story. Many of you probably want to just watch a movie and have a fun time. (as I do with most films; SW is an exception) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,358 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 12 hours ago, Stefancos said: Seriously? Lucas' involvement is a good thing? Since when? Exactly He wasn't missed on The Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temple Raider 3 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 The official announcement for 5 a few months ago definitely has me excited, but Lucas not being involved has me a little weary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 But he IS involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Lucas? Begone foul beast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temple Raider 3 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 The official announcement for 5 earlier this year has me pumped. I just hope it turns out good. Disney will be handling it and if The Force Awakens is an indication then Indy is in pretty good hands. I loved TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Surely he'll be a consultant at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 9 hours ago, Temple Raider said: The official announcement for 5 a few months ago definitely has me excited, but Lucas not being involved has me a little weary. Isn't he executive producing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Not Mr. Big said: Isn't he executive producing it? Yup, he's getting executive producer credit. So he's definitely involved. http://www.slashfilm.com/indiana-jones-5-george-lucas/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 On June 23, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Will said: While I have only watched each SW OT and PT film once, at this time I actually prefer the prequels to the originals. The originals are more fun, but the prequels are more interesting and emotional, IMO. They tell a tragic, beautiful, and intriguing story. Some hate the prequels because of their political complexity, but that's what I love about them. And ROTS is the most emotional film of the original six, and my favorite. The key is to look at the prequels as part of a larger story as opposed to as individual films. That's what Lucas intended the Star Wars saga to be (at the time he was making the prequels) -- one story told in six episodes. By the way, it's hard to say whether it was actually Lucas's intent to make SW a ring composition, but the Ring Theory is certainly an immensely interesting read. I read all 8 pages of it, and I think others should too before they go prequel-bashing. Because if this is what Lucas intended, then the prequels deserve to be placed at the pinnacle of filmmaking achievements: http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/ring-composition-chiasmus-hidden-artistry-star-wars-prequels/ People don't hate the prequels because of their political complexity, they hate them because they're shit. crumbs and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted August 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2016 No amount of political complexity or tragic, emotional storytelling can make up for dialogue like "I don't like sand" and "I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me" Not Mr. Big, crumbs and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I wish I could just wish away my feelings about the prequels but I can't! crumbs and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 If he's ever short of cash, Lucas could always restart his career as a writer for Days of our Lives. God help us if he has any story input or script approval for Indy V. His stubborn rejection of any idea that wasn't aliens for Indy IV is the reason that film took so long to happen. Spielberg clearly hated the idea and it shows in the final film. With any luck Disney's story group are running the show this time around; they rectified basically every problem with the Star Wars prequels in TFA. Would've been nice to see Moffat, Wright & Cornish get the screenplay gig though; I have no faith in Koepp after KOTCS. Not Mr. Big and Quintus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 5? You mean 4. There are only three Indiana Jones movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, WojinPA said: 5? You mean 4. There are only three Indiana Jones movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 On 6/22/2016 at 11:07 PM, Shatner's Rug said: I hope the new one has aliens in it. Yeah, and a grizzled old Indy saying "aliens...why'd it have to be aliens" before he pulls out his revolver and mows them down. The alien princess says "but wait, we come in peace" to which Indy replies "and you'll be going back in pieces" as he hurls a live grenade to finish off the last of them. Not Mr. Big and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 People that don't like aliens in Indy, forget the Ark of the Covenant, the Sankara stones and the Holy Grail. All my childhood is a lie!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I have little problem with aliens in the movie. I have more issue with the rest of the movie being poorly written and structured. It's just not very good. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Poorly written and structured, but with magic. That's how I like my movies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temple Raider 3 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 No there's currently four, the last came out in 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Temple Raider said: there's currently four Would you say there is four or there are four? Reconsider your contraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 13 hours ago, BloodBoal said: You really ought to read this: http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/ring-composition-chiasmus-hidden-artistry-star-wars-prequels/ Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 THERE. ARE. FOUR. FILMS!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 So I'm pretty sure Shia isn't coming back.... Quote LaBeouf eventually followed Disney with a lucrative partnership with Steven Spielberg on several projects at DreamWorks–including “Disturbia,” “Transformers” and “Eagle Eye”–as well as Paramount’s “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.” He thought it would be a dream come true, but he had a hard time. “I grew up with this idea, if you got to Spielberg, that’s where it is,” says LaBeouf, who originally wanted roles like Macaulay Culkin’s in the “Home Alone” movies. “I’m not talking about fame, and I’m not talking about money.” He thought Spielberg would be his ticket to a big-screen legacy. “You get there, and you realize you’re not meeting the Spielberg you dream of,” LaBeouf says. “You’re meeting a different Spielberg, who is in a different stage in his career. He’s less a director than he is a f–king company.” (Spielberg declined to comment.) LaBeouf felt like there was no room to grow as an actor, and that he was stuck. “Spielberg’s sets are very different,” he says. “Everything has been so meticulously planned. You got to get this line out in 37 seconds. You do that for five years, you start to feel like not knowing what you’re doing for a living.” When LaBeouf completed the recent art project of re-watching his old films, he purposefully got up and left during the second “Transformers,” which was executive produced by Spielberg. “I don’t like the movies that I made with Spielberg,” he says. “The only movie that I liked that we made together was ‘Transformers’ one.” LaBeouf says he felt the most disappointed by the reception for 2008’s “Crystal Skull.” He doesn’t consider the sequel a success, despite its worldwide gross of nearly $800 million. “I prepped for a year and a half,” LaBeouf says. “And then the movie comes out, and it’s your fault. That sh-t hurt bad.” He kept seeing anonymous comments online from people complaining that between “Transformers,” “Wall Street 2,” and “Crystal Skull,” he had destroyed the ’80s. Whenever a fan asked him for a selfie, he’d replay those thoughts in his head. “I didn’t like going in public, because I had to face my failures constantly,” he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Is he famous anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Surprisingly honest though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Poor Shia, he's had it so hard. I feel really sorry for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Is that.... Is that real? It sounds so honest that I find it difficult to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I feel the same way whenever someone asks me for a selfie. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Actually did a bit of reading that article now. Bizarre! He's quite positive of Michael Bay, but not of Steven Spielberg. Bet you didn't see that one coming!!! I sure didn't.... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Maybe Michael Bay is simply a better person than Steven Spielberg? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 A kinder, more morally righteous and far more profound person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Well, who says he isn't? For all I know, he might be another Jesus. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 That would be an unbeatable marketing line! Transformers 5, brought to you by the new Jesus Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 59 minutes ago, crocodile said: Maybe Michael Bay is simply a better person than Steven Spielberg? Not sure where you got that from, he didn't say anything to assault Spielberg's character? He's talking about a creative process he found stifling, as opposed to Bay who he seems to think could be more easily liberated from what he's been doing and become something more interesting. I actually sort of buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 The only one restricting Michael Bay to these Transformers movies is Michael Bay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I wonder what Shia thought of "The Adventures of Mutt"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Absolute rubbish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 His observations are somewhat reflected in Spielberg's recent output. It's like a production line; he can't make films like he did in the 80s because there was so much adversity along the way. He'd never put himself in a situation like that these days; everything is intricately planned, budgeted and scheduled (probably also a reflection of modern studio filmmaking). KOTCS was an almost perfect encapsulation of this. Soulless, cynical, risk-averse, production line stuff. No creativity to the photography after the first act, nothing organic with the dialogue (thanks to that mess of a script), nothing filmed outside the US, Ford phoning it in and Spielberg either too lazy or disinterested in yielding a stronger performance from him. Dude's a grandpa now, he's probably not going to make films like he used to. I don't hold much hope for Indy 5 recapturing the lightning-in-a-bottle of the original trilogy, especially with you-know-who handling the script (which indicates to me that Spielberg has no intention of leaving his comfort zone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted September 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Dude's a grandpa now, he's probably not going to make films like he used to. I don't hold much hope for Indy 5 recapturing the lightning-in-a-bottle of the original trilogy, especially with you-know-who handling the script (which indicates to me that Spielberg has no intention of leaving his comfort zone). Perhaps, in an immensely unlikely but optimistic way of looking at it, Spielberg brought Koepp back aboard in a unified effort for them all to attempt to traverse the path towards redemption together. Will, Pieter Boelen and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Spielberg has shown to be responsive to criticism from the fans in his older age. As much as he is a major brand and businessman film producer, he doesn't seem to be adverse to vocalising humility on occasion. Otherwise he'd never had admitted his misjudgement with regards to E.T.'s digital fiddling, even going as far as reversing them for the latest home release. Can you ever imagine Lucas doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 But the technology wasn't present in the 70's and 80's to make the films the way he wanted to make them, Lee. Lucas didn't have a choice to revisit them later. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Also, from what I can gather, Spielberg's recent output has been well received anyway. Sure BFG has stumbled at the box office, but loads who have seen it have been happy with it. Shia does make some reasonable points, but he's just a jaded 30 year old. I was still a jumped up dick at that age as well. He'll cringe like fuck at himself when he's older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Indeed! Hipster twat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Is 30 the new 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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