MSM 120 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Which Maurice Jarre collection is better:http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Maurice-Jarre-Film-Collection/dp/B00004NRRB/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1299434657&sr=1-1or:http://www.amazon.com/Film-Music-Maurice-Jarre/dp/B000RXYU2Y/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_tBoth are by Prague Philharmonic, but are they different recordngs?Is there any other better collection? I like crisp sound quality and flawless performances, not necessarily the original recordings (in case of JW, I do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,452 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 From a cursory glance at both of them, I would say that the 2-disc set offers a better introduction to one of the greatest composers who ever lived. True, the sets differ slightly in places, but for me, the inclusion of performances by Mark Ayers from masterpieces such as "Witness", "The Mosquito Coast", and the criminally underrated "The Year Of Living Dangerously" swings it. Just remember this golden rule, my friend: NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER LISTEN TO AN ORCHESTRAL PERFORMANCE OF "BUILDING THE BARN"!!! Happy listening, and let us know how you get on."You've taken your first step into a larger world". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 From a cursory glance at both of them, I would say that the 2-disc set offers a better introduction to one of the greatest composers who ever lived. True, the sets differ slightly in places, but for me, the inclusion of performances by Mark Ayers from masterpieces such as "Witness", "The Mosquito Coast", and the criminally underrated "The Year Of Living Dangerously" swings it. Just remember this golden rule, my friend: NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER LISTEN TO AN ORCHESTRAL PERFORMANCE OF "BUILDING THE BARN"!!! Happy listening, and let us know how you get on."You've taken your first step into a larger world".Oh I knew Maurice Jarre already...and yes I think he's one of the greatest film composers ever (he's my no.6 actually ). The more and more I am listening to it I am beginning to think Lawrence of Arabia Ouvertue might be the best piece of film music ever written. But I don't have any albums of his...so just wante to have a good collection of his most memorable stuff.I'll let you know how it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Just remember this golden rule, my friend: NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER LISTEN TO AN ORCHESTRAL PERFORMANCE OF "BUILDING THE BARN"!!! I disagree. I think Christopher Palmer's orchestral arrangement of this piece makes it really wonderful and soaring, much more than those annoying synth pads that Jarre became obsessed with in the early/mid '80s. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Maurice Jarre... seems like another Pandora Box to open... Let's see some of the usual suspects... DOCTOR ZHIVAGO (AFI, Academy Award Winner) LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (AFI, Academy Award Winner) A PASSAGE TO INDIA (AFI, Academy Award Winner) RYAN'S DAUGHTER (AFI) Mohammad, Messenger of God (Academy Award Nominee) Witness (Academy Award Nominee) Gorillas in the Mist (Academy Award Nominee) Ghost (Academy Award Nominee) Fatal Attraction (Grammy Nominee) Now, how his album "Maurice Jarre at Abbey Road" (1992) is regarded in all his discography? Any experts in the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,385 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I'm more an "expert" on his son Jean-Michel, of whom I am a completist. Maurice has always been hit/miss to me. But outside the big classics (the Lean stuff, the twelve pianos of IS PARIS BURNING? and all that), I have a soft spot for DEAD POETS SOCIETY. Also JACOB'S LADDER, which is one of the few times he succeeded with his synth experimentation in the 80s and 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, Bespin said: DOCTOR ZHIVAGO (AFI, Academy Award Winner) On 5/30/2021 at 9:56 PM, GerateWohl said: Good idea. I found it. But it's in German. And it was actually a car accident. Haven't probably seen that for 40 years or so. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP///wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,266 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Stay away from Jarre's pretty bad synth scores from the 80s and early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,283 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Don't forget Mad Max 3. At the time I found the score supprisingly good. But I was never really impressed by his synth scores. But in the 80s I was always at least a little dissapointed anyway when there appeared a new Harrison Ford movie and the score was not by John Williams. Yavar Moradi and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 381 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Dead Poets Society farts in your general direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,266 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: Don't forget Mad Max 3. At the time I found the score supprisingly good. But I was never really impressed by his synth scores. But in the 80s I was always at least a little dissapointed anyway when there appeared a new Harrison Ford movie and the score was not by John Williams. Agreed, Mad Max 3 is a pretty good score. It works great in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 And Jarre the percussionist clearly had fun with timpani & Co in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Maybe I would find the 60's and 70's recordings a bit dated, so is there any Jarre "re-recordings" who are musts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,518 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Bespin said: Maybe I would find the 60's and 70's recordings a bit dated, so is there any Jarre "re-recordings" who are musts? YEAH! This one most of all; it's amazing: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/lawrence-of-arabia/ Then this: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2016/07/is-paris-burning-maurice-jarre/ Then if you like both of those, this: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2011/06/villa-rides-the-western-film-music-of-maurice-jarre/ Tadlow also has some very good sounding releases of three Jarre scores from the original recordings: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/mad-max-beyond-thunderdome/ http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/the-message-lion-of-the-desert/ Those are a great place to start but once you try them and like them let me know and I can go through great releases by other labels. Yavar Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,405 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Yavar Moradi said: This one most of all; it's amazing: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/lawrence-of-arabia/ Yavar Moradi and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Nothing beats the original recording, released by Varese in the early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,405 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Having watched the film again after getting to know the rerecording well... I far prefer the rerecording. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I look for a prestigious experience in full sound and quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Well, you were biased before watching the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I watched the movie, many, many, many... MANY years ago! I'm not interested by the movie, but by his music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Yes, we know you're old! 1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said: YEAH! This one most of all; it's amazing: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/lawrence-of-arabia/ Then this: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2016/07/is-paris-burning-maurice-jarre/ Then if you like both of those, this: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2011/06/villa-rides-the-western-film-music-of-maurice-jarre/ Tadlow also has some very good sounding releases of three Jarre scores from the original recordings: http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/mad-max-beyond-thunderdome/ http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/11/the-message-lion-of-the-desert/ Those are a great place to start but once you try them and like them let me know and I can go through great releases by other labels. Yavar What do you think of Tadlow's compilation album NOTRE DAME DE PARIS? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,518 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: What do you think of Tadlow's compilation album NOTRE DAME DE PARIS? It's really good but alas apparently out of print from them, which is why I didn't mention it! Nice overview of his whole career though, and the recordings are up to the usual high Tadlow standard. If it can be found second hand it's worth picking up too. 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Nothing beats the original recording, released by Varese in the early 90s. I'm usually an original recordings guy, but the performance on the Tadlow is just as great if not better. The sound is a LOT better. And it's got the complete score, with so much more music than the old album of the film recording. Plus, he specifically asked for modern recordings. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I think the Varese release of the original recording sounds very good for an early 60s recording. But beware there's other releases by less serious labels that sound quite bad. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,518 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Have you heard the Tadlow recording? There is no comparison. The old album doesn't have terrible sound by any means (compare that with another classic score given a great sounding complete new recording by Tadlow: Exodus by Ernest Gold) but it's not even close, in this case. (And there are 60s recordings I think sound great.) Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Nothing beats the original recording, released by Varese in the early 90s. I never liked the original recording, but the Tadlow is great. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,405 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Yeah, in fact I even felt it almost cheapened/worsened/overscored the movie here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Have you heard the Tadlow recording? Of course, I own the 2CD set. The first Tadlow I got, if I'm not mistaken. 20 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: I never liked the original recording, but the Tadlow is great. Did you listen to the Varese release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Did you listen to the Varese release? I don't recall which release of the OST I had before the Tadlow (it was a CDR copy from the library). But it never did much for me. The overture didn't click with me until I heard it performed live, and even then the OST recording didn't do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: Have you heard the Tadlow recording? There is no comparison. The old album doesn't have terrible sound by any means (compare that with another classic score given a great sounding complete new recording by Tadlow: Exodus by Ernest Gold) but it's not even close, in this case. (And there are 60s recordings I think sound great.) Yavar For the record, I don't expect a 60s film music recording to sound as good as a modern day recording, but I can still think it sounds good. I reckon you also prefer their rerecording of The Blue Max over the original recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,518 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I reckon you also prefer their rerecording of The Blue Max over the original recording. You reckon incorrectly. The Blue Max is the only Tadlow Goldsmith recording that disappointed me. The rhythms are a bit off in a few of the action cues, and it overall just doesn't have quite the same fresh energy as the original. It's not bad by any means but I really wish they'd spent the money to record some Goldsmith that was otherwise lost, too. That said it's a great score so I understand the desire to revisit; I'm just greedy to get stuff I don't already have in complete form (and sounding quite good, in the LLL restoration). I almost exclusively listen to the original Blue Max recording as released by La-La Land. The stuff I listen to most on that Tadlow album are the disc 2 suites of Inchon and The Chairman. I'd have happily taken a complete new recording of either of those two scores... Lawrence of Arabia is a different situation, because the original recording will always be incomplete (sessions are lost) and it frankly doesn't sound quite as good as The Blue Max (LLL edition). Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Lawrence of Arabia is a different situation, because the original recording will always be incomplete (sessions are lost) and it frankly doesn't sound quite as good as The Blue Max (LLL edition). Wow, my impression of the sound quality of these two scores is completely opposite. When I listened to the samples of the most recent release of The Blue Max, I was disappointed with the sound. It still sounded like the elements used were copies of a copy of a copy... Not so with the Varese release of Lawrence. That album isn't complete (it's an expanded OST) but that's okay since we also have the Tadlow recording which is indeed good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,518 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Maybe it’s all relative, but I always thought The Blue Max sounded relatively poor until I heard the LLL edition from some years ago, so maybe I had low expectations going in, which were exceeded. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I'll do a new listening session with both scores and see if my opinions still are the same. Btw, @Yavar Moradi, I didn't end up purchasing the recent release of The Blue Max. Would you say that the samples are noticeably compressed, or are they representative of what I'd hear listening to the CD? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,518 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'll do a new listening session with both scores and see if my opinions still are the same. Btw, @Yavar Moradi, I didn't end up purchasing the recent release of The Blue Max. Would you say that the samples are noticeably compressed, or are they representative of what I'd hear listening to the CD? I haven’t purchased the version that came out this past December either. I’m happy with my 2015 LLL edition and I think they only tweaked it slightly when they paired it with Von Ryan’s Express. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,283 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Of Lawrence of Arabia I just own the Philharmonia Orchestra recording conducted by Tony Bremer. And I don't like the sound of that recording at all. I cannot recommend that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Everything about that re-recording is bad, even the producer Fitzwillypatrick admitted that. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,306 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Wait just one second! Thirty five replies in TEN years and this qualifies as a " Hot topic"?. No sir! No. Not on my watch!😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I've now listened to both Varese's expanded OST of Lawrence and to LLL's The Blue Max (the samples on LLL's website). Both have clear sound issues, but to me the most annoying issues are on The Blue Max. However, I can understand that not everybody thinks that Lawrence sounds good enough. I find it strange that it hasn't received a new release in 31 years. Surely, there has to be room for improvement with modern technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 604 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I haven't listened to many of his scores, but I'm still a big fan of Jarre. A personal favourite is his 1999 score for István Szábo's Sunshine! Haven't seen the movie yet, but love the score. Bespin and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I loved the album "Maurice Jarre at Abbey Road". It was a nice opportunity for him to re-record his "hits" following the strange succes of his score for Ghost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I've now listened to both Varese's expanded OST of Lawrence and to LLL's The Blue Max (the samples on LLL's website). Both have clear sound issues, but to me the most annoying issues are on The Blue Max. However, I can understand that not everybody thinks that Lawrence sounds good enough. I find it strange that it hasn't received a new release in 31 years. Surely, there has to be room for improvement with modern technology. Define "clear sound issues"? As far as I recall, my main issue with the Lawrence OST wasn't the sound quality but a lack of punch in the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,405 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Once said: I haven't listened to many of his scores, but I'm still a big fan of Jarre. A personal favourite is his 1999 score for István Szábo's Sunshine! Haven't seen the movie yet, but love the score. I'm very fond of it too, for obvious reasons like all those Tavaszi Szél Vizet Áraszt variations! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Define "clear sound issues"? Obvious sound issues. 7 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: As far as I recall, my main issue with the Lawrence OST wasn't the sound quality but a lack of punch in the performance. I'd say the performance definitely has punch, but the loudest parts aren't well served by the recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,457 Posted June 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2021 I wasn't hard to convince! Holko, Yavar Moradi and Marian Schedenig 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I bought it so fast, that I even not realized the 2nd disc contains very interresting re-recordings from other movies. It makes me realize that I have also rerecordings of John Barry and Jerry Goldsmith in this situation, were the 2nd disc contains many other works from various movies, Zulu and The Blue Max. I love that! Holko and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bespin 8,457 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 What did I said? I just rarely listen to "bonuses"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 You rarely read the item description, you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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