Salacius 7 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Thank God Williams is still aliveOh yeah, I voted #3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I sense a bias... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I sense a bias...You don't say! For the record, I think film music is more vibrant and versatile than ever, even if you limit it only to mainstream Hollywood output.Oh, and Zimmer rules!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Oh, and Zimmer rules!! That seems to be the problem, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Zimmer is the best thing to happen to film music in the past decade.Remote Control, unfortunately, is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 What about the likes of Brian Tyler?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Ignoring the Zimmer connection, I think it's simply directors and producers wanting crowd-pleasing music (i.e electronic, no themes, plenty of boom)Ridley Scott decided to have no synths in Robin Hood, and what Streitenfeld gave us IMO was an excellent, old-fashioned thematic score.We need more directors with backbone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I think it's many genres of music to be frank, not just our beloved film music. I think the current style of film music is simply fashionable, for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Ignoring the Zimmer connection, I think it's simply directors and producers wanting crowd-pleasing music (i.e electronic, no themes, plenty of boom)Ridley Scott decided to have no synths in Robin Hood, and what Streitenfeld gave us IMO was an excellent, old-fashioned thematic score.We need more directors with backbone.Yeah, but it was also Scott who had Zimmer compose Gladiator, perhaps the most influential score of the noughties. It even had an affect on Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 There's one influential producer you have all missed, that has an effect on film music even more than Hans Zimmer:JERRY BRUCKHEIMER!It has been his driving rock simplistic tastes that has a much bigger impact than Hans Zimmer alone.Hans Zimmer can write other styles than his action styles, listen to his romantic comedy scores and his early 1990s work.Plus, who says film music has hit rock bottom, remember, it could always get worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 While Zimmer shares some of the responsibility, today's audiences, producers and directors all share the blame as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I'm wondering whether "Zimmer" argument is really worth anything at this point. His approach is new and modern and he's actually trying to do something. I'm not talking whether he's a trained composer or not. It's not like Giacchino and people like that offer anything worthwhile to change things, except for the occasional nostalgic homages. That's way way too little. So you could just as well blame them too.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Well it's a combination of his style, which I find rather generic at times, and the fact his stable of composers tend to not stray too far from the barn when it comes to composing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Why has film music hit rock bottom?Have you stopped beating your wife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Why has film music hit rock bottom?Have you stopped beating your wife?I did and then she bought the "Rango" CD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Yay, another Zimmer bashing thread! Discombobulate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I've voted for all three options.Just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 So did I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 That's democracy for you!Not sure this is what the Greeks had in mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Yeah well, the Greeks gave us Demis Roussos, so they can shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Dicussed before.1) Lack of quality movies to write music for2) Lack of classically trained composers3) Lack of demand for quality, but higher demand for effectiveness these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Dicussed before.2) Lack of classically trained composersElfman isn't classically trained; by that logic, has he contributed too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I voted for all three as well. Never have cared for Zimmer's writing style. The fact too he got a star on Hollywood before even John Williams (or Goldsmith for that fact) is horrifying at best.While Williams may not be my favorite composer I'd take any score from him over Zimmer any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 last option, since unlike moderators who can apparently vote for all 3, I can only pick one option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 last option, since unlike moderators who can apparently vote for all 3, I can only pick one optionI'm not a moderator and I was able to vote for all 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 So instead of appreciating that films get any instrumental score at all, instead of just songs or pure electronic noise, we bash the one man who seems to be the most popular with the studio execs who don't seem to "get" the concept of a good film score anymore. Huh.Blame that guy, not the people who perpetuate the system. The folks who buy his albums, see his movies, and hire him. Huh.If by "I'd take any score from [Williams] over Zimmer any day," that means I'd have to buy and listen to every Williams score before I could buy and listen to any Zimmer score, count me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 how?I've got 3 tickboxes, not radio buttons.Ignoring the Zimmer connection, I think it's simply directors and producers wanting crowd-pleasing music (i.e electronic, no themes, plenty of boom)Ridley Scott decided to have no synths in Robin Hood, and what Streitenfeld gave us IMO was an excellent, old-fashioned thematic score.We need more directors with backbone.Yeah, but it was also Scott who had Zimmer compose Gladiator, perhaps the most influential score of the noughties. It even had an affect on Williams.It's a decade apart, and Scott's scores have been getting gradually further from Zimmer's sound. Remember Kingdom of Heaven which definitely was not a RCP score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Dicussed before.2) Lack of classically trained composersElfman isn't classically trained; by that logic, has he contributed too?I didn't say, if a composer isn;t classically trained he can't be good. Please get your logic straight.Classical training might select for a certain quality, at least increases the chance of presence of knowledge and skills as to how to use a symphonic orchestra to it's full potential.Of course a good composer CAN come from anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Dicussed before.2) Lack of classically trained composersElfman isn't classically trained; by that logic, has he contributed too?I didn't say, if a composer isn;t classically trained he can't be good. Please get your logic straight.Classical training might select for a certain quality, at least increases the chance of presence of knowledge and skills as to how to use a symphonic orchestra to it's full potential.Of course a good composer CAN come from anywhere.Who says that you need a symphonic orchestra to score a film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 True story. I just spent two hours listening to one of my lecturers waffle on about how to move forward we must listen to and do exactly as the great musicians did. Except that a lot of the great musicians didn't listen to their peers, and barely listened to anyone else. They were too busy playing and writing their own stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 wow no wrong answers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 wow no wrong answers...Not surprising given an invalid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I don't understand how Zimmer, who is mostly known for bombastic, melodic, and easily identifiable music, is responsible for the fucking lifeless wallpaper music that abounds today.Hey maybe there's a reason why we're losing this music battle..you idiots are charging in the wrong direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I don't understand how Zimmer, who is mostly known for bombastic, melodic, and easily identifiable music, is responsible for the fucking lifeless wallpaper music that abounds today.Hey maybe there's a reason why we're losing this music battle..you idiots are charging in the wrong direction! As Trevor Jones said once in an interview "the respect for music as a creative part of the film is gone now". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I don't understand how Zimmer, who is mostly known for bombastic, melodic, and easily identifiable music, is responsible for the fucking lifeless wallpaper music that abounds today.Hey maybe there's a reason why we're losing this music battle..you idiots are charging in the wrong direction! Two words: Rick freakin' Berman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 It's true. He was a visionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I don't understand how Zimmer, who is mostly known for bombastic, melodic, and easily identifiable music, is responsible for the fucking lifeless wallpaper music that abounds today.Hey maybe there's a reason why we're losing this music battle..you idiots are charging in the wrong direction! Because he writes lifeless generic sounding music and he's now sucked JNH into his void. As I said earlier, he's not the only one to blame. But his style and stable of composers has contributed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 You may see it as lifeless, but it's far from generic. His style was the first of its kind. It's only the composers who followed in his wake that made it sound generic.Also, it's a little short-sighted of you to say that JNH was "sucked into" his void, as if the man is incapable of making decisions himself and was somehow duped into working with Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I don't understand how Zimmer, who is mostly known for bombastic, melodic, and easily identifiable music, is responsible for the fucking lifeless wallpaper music that abounds today.Hey maybe there's a reason why we're losing this music battle..you idiots are charging in the wrong direction! Because he writes lifeless generic sounding music and he's now sucked JNH into his void. As I said earlier, he's not the only one to blame. But his style and stable of composers has contributed to it.If you were aware of his works in the early 1990s, you might change your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Hans Zimmer is not really Hans Zimmer, but a black pillar of smoke. He is pure evil, and his only purpose is to destroy the film score world. He has recruited a team to accomplish this goal, and has the power to cloud men's hearts with the darkness he controls. James Newton Howard was such a victim, who no longer feels emotion. John Williams is our last saving grace, a cork that is preventing Zimmer from escaping Remote Control Productions and completely annihilating good film music across the globe. He desperately needs candidates to take his place as protector, since he can only last for so long. Michael Giacchino was brought to Los Angeles for this purpose. His destiny is to take out Zimmer, and free our music from dinosaur roars and mechanical clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Hans Zimmer is not really Hans Zimmer, but a black pillar of smoke. He is pure evil, and his only purpose is to destroy the film score world. He has recruited a team to accomplish this goal, and has the power to cloud men's hearts with the darkness he controls. James Newton Howard was such a victim, who no longer feels emotion. John Williams is our last saving grace, a cork that is preventing Zimmer from escaping Remote Control Productions and completely annihilating good film music across the globe. He desperately needs candidates to take his place as protector, since he can only last for so long. Michael Giacchino was brought to Los Angeles for this purpose. His destiny is to take out Zimmer, and free our music from dinosaur roars and mechanical clicks.This isn't FernGully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I don't really think JNH was ever really that good in the first place.Zimmer has written good work, but his popularity has certainly helped change the position of film scores in certain circles, and in a lot of ways, that is a very bad thing. Whoever said Bruickheimer was dead on. His shit factory did some real bad damage.The worst thing Zimmer ever did was help unleash Steve Jablonsky on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I think JNH is the same as always, he just needs interesting projects dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I don't really think JNH was ever really that good in the first place.Zimmer has written good work, but his popularity has certainly helped change the position of film scores in certain circles, and in a lot of ways, that is a very bad thing. Whoever said Bruickheimer was dead on. His shit factory did some real bad damage.The worst thing Zimmer ever did was help unleash Steve Jablonsky on the world.Listen to Steamboy, then come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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