La-La Land releasing Elliot Goldenthal's Batman Forever January 3rd 2012 (3500 units)

[Matt C 453]

I wish Watertower would just license the rest of the Batman scores to LLL to release. Like another volume of Batman the Animated Series and Goldenthal's superior Batman & Robin score.

[Score_Fan 36]

Along with *unpopular opinion time*

Zimmer and Newton Howard's complete scores.

[Delorean90 42]

Actually, I would be curious to see what an Intrada/LaLaLand style presentation of those scores would present. That over-priced expanded TDK is a mess, and BB's most comprehensive boot is still missing some of its best stuff.

[Jay 37,352]

The full recording sessions to both BB and TDK are out there, I don't think there's anything missing in either

[Delorean90 42]

If you're talking about the 3-disc one for BB, it's still missing material. I'd have to go back through to check it for everything, but I definitely remember that the material for the full courtroom scene and subsequent shooting are absent.

EDIT: And in hindsight I realize maybe it isn't missing some of the best stuff--it's been a while since I checked it--but definitely fairly significant material, anyway.

[scallenger 483]

Isn't there recording sessions or complete version of Batman and Robin out there too? Although to have it in a better presentation with CD quality would be great. Although I actually prefer the score of Batman Forever to Batman and Robin, am I the only one?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its the same score.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Many same cues, but different performances and orchestrations. Batman & Robin has a bigger sound, I think.

[Richard Penna 3,686]

Why do I keep hearing the word 'perpetuity' associated with Varese? Do any of the others labels have this privilege?

I don't know whether this applies to other score labels, but Varese is just the best known example. There are a whole load of scores from the mid 90s onwards which received truly terrible releases at the time due to reuse fees, and although MV rattled off a list of about 6 or 7 titles a while ago that they definitely have forever, we don't know the state of all of them.

It really doesn't help that Varese as a company has basically no communication with customers whatsoever (about current projects, feedback on releases, missing music from expansions) - and as Trent said, it seems that Townson is really only interested in getting older material out these days and doesn't really respond to questions about whether he plans to do anything soon with their more recent property.

Or put it this way - one of my #1 holy grails is probably with them in perpetuity, and that scares the hell out of me.

[Jay 37,352]

If you're talking about the 3-disc one for BB, it's still missing material. I'd have to go back through to check it for everything, but I definitely remember that the material for the full courtroom scene and subsequent shooting are absent.

EDIT: And in hindsight I realize maybe it isn't missing some of the best stuff--it's been a while since I checked it--but definitely fairly significant material, anyway.

So, to be clear, this version is incomplete?

1. 1m0 Batman Titles (0:54)

2. 1m1v9alt Young Bruce Falls (1:51)

3. 1m2v2 3.28 Prison Nightmare (1:08)

4. 1m2v2 4.03 Prison Nightmare (1:09)

5. 1m3 Meeting Ducard (2:01)

6. 1m4 The Long Walk (2:25)

7. 1m5 4.01 Monastery (2:47)

8. 1m5 4.04 Monastery (2:47)

9. 1m6v9 3.29 Father to the Rescue (2:14)

10. 1m6v9 4.04 Father to the Rescue (2:14)

11. 1m7a Bruce's Discomfort (0:40)

12. 1m8a 4.01 Mugging Pt 1 (1:11)

13. 1m8a 4.04 Mugging Pt 1 (1:23)

14. 1m8b-9 3.29 Mugging Pt 2 (3:00)

15. 1m8b-9 4.04 Mugging Pt 2 (2:51)

16. 1m10 4.01 Training (3:03)

17. 1m10 4.04 Training (2:53)

18. 1m10 4.23 Training (2:53)

19. 2m11-12 4.02 Campfire (3:31)

20. 2m11-12 4.05 Campfire (3:31)

21. 2m11-12 4.23 Campfire (3:31)

22. 2m13a 4.02 Your System is Broken (0:58)

23. 2m13a 4.05 Your System is Broken (1:00)

24. 2m13pt1 Courthouse Pt 1 (2:41)

25. 2m14v5 4.04 Meeting Falcone (3:13)

26. 2m14v5 4.05 Meeting Falcone (3:12)

27. 2m15v11 4.04 Decision (2:35)

28. 2m15v11 4.05 Decision (2:34)

29. 2m16 Hide in the Dark (3:05)

30. 2m17v4 Inititation into League (2:35)

31. 2m18-19 Temple Fight (4:06)

32. 3m20v3 Return to Gotham (0:54)

33. 3m21m 4.07 Crane Warns Rachel (1:22)

34. 3m21m 4.08 Crane Warns Rachel (1:24)

35. 3m21b 4.09 Crane Warns Rachel (1:01)

36. 3m21b 4.11 Crane Warns Rachel (1:03)

37. 3m22v8.3 The Bat Cave (3:05)

38. 3m23 4.09 Wayne Enterprises (1:28)

39. 3m24v7 Prototypes (1:42)

40. 3m25v3 4.09 Preparing Equipment (1:59)

41. 3m25v3 4.11 Preparing Equipment (1:51)

42. 4m26b-27 4.11 Why Bats (2:37)

43. 4m26b-27 4.25 Why Bats (2:36)

44. 4m28av8 Dockyard Ambush (2:55)

45. 4m28b Dockyard Ambush Pt 2 (0:31)

46. 4m29 Rachel Attacked (2:26)

47. 4m32 Meeting Rachel (1:40)

48. 4m33 Crane's Mask (0:46)

49. 4m34 Microwave Stolen (1:25)

50. 5m35 Gordon At Home (1:31)

51. 5m37 4.14 Batman on Fire (2:31)

52. 5m37 4.24 Batman on Fire (2:35)

53. 5m38 Fox is Fired (1:15)

54. 5m39a Finders Keepers Pt 1 (0:54)

55. 5m39b Finders Keepers Pt 2 (1:00)

56. 5m40 4.16 Making Medicine (4:11)

57. 5m41 Fight in Crane's Lab (5:10)

58. 5m41a Fight in Crane's Lab (0:29)

59. 5m41e Fight in Crane's Lab (0:49)

60. 5m42 Backup (1:38)

61. 5m43 Batmobile Chase (5:03)

62. 6m46 Rachel in Bat Cave (1:29)

63. 6m46b Your Father's Name (0:58)

64. 6m49 Carne Interrogated (0:35)

65. 6m51 Ducard Appears (1:10)

66. 6m52 Ducard & Gothams Fate (3:34)

67. 6m53-54 Bruce Left for Dead (3:16)

68. 6m55 Antidote (3:36)

69. 6m56-57 Batman Arrives (2:31)

70. 6m58-59 Rescues Rachel (2:57)

71. 7m60a Final Confrontation (1:23)

72. 7m60b Train Fight (2:02)

73. 7m60c Train Fight (1:27)

74. 7m61 Danger Over (0:55)

75. 7m62 Surveying the Ruings (3:21)

76. 7m63 4.21 Gordon Says Thanks (1:53)

77. 7m63 4.24 Gordon Says Thanks (1:54)

78. 7m65 Batman End Credits (7:18)

79. Batman Theme (3:20)

TOTAL TIME: 2:55:26

[Score_Fan 36]

The full recording sessions to both BB and TDK are out there, I don't think there's anything missing in either

Oh I have the sessions, but as posted, BB is missing around 10 minutes of music, and I wonder if there are any alternates. Plus the film ending of Storming Prewitt Building remains unreleased.

[Delorean90 42]

Indeed--it would appear that "Courthouse Pt 2" would be the music I was referring to above. Score_Fan, do you know offhand what else is missing from BB?

[Score_Fan 36]

Indeed--it would appear that "Courthouse Pt 2" would be the music I was referring to above. Score_Fan, do you know offhand what else is missing from BB?

There's a missing insert of the fight leading to the train confrontation, a cue where batman visits gordon, the cue where he gives the kid the container, and I think something else.

[tharpdevenport 4]

I recall somebody at FSM saying that "Batman & Robin" had a bunch of alternates, so many it would need like a CD to fill. Sadly, making people like Thor happy has precluded a bunch of potentially interesting listens.

EDIT:

Actually, it may have been "Batman Forever"

[shockwave 8]

Actually Charlie, I'd rather have "Sphere" next! At least with Alien 3 we got the isolated score on the Blu Ray!

I would love to see an expanded score to Sphere as well. So I am hoping Varese is considering a lot of their 90's 30 or more scores to be part of their club DX edtions in the near future.

Oh and yes I am looking forward to Batman Forever too.

[Marian Schedenig 8,192]

Sphere is my favourite Goldenthal score. But in the meantime, I'll gladly take Batman, too.

[Matt C 453]

Many same cues, but different performances and orchestrations. Batman & Robin has a bigger sound, I think.

That's what I love about it. The Freeze and Ivy themes are the icing on the cake as well. The minute LLL or any other specialty CD outlet announces a CD release of B&R, I will buy it. Whether it's a Goldenthal-approved single disc or a LLL Expanded Archival Collection... it will be mine.

I did watch part of Batman Forever on the Syfy Channel the other day, and I liked the cues underscoring the Chase Meridian scenes. I've forgotten how beautiful Nicole Kidman looked back in the 1990s, as opposed to being overly Botoxed now.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Oh she was a honey in 1995. Goldenthal's music for her scenes was very jazzy film noir, hence the track title "Chase Noir".

Batman & Robin won't be far off. I can't wait to blast it out on my stereo and annoy my neighbours.

[Matt C 453]

Goldenthal's music for her scenes was very jazzy film noir, hence the track title "Chase Noir".

Oh yeah... wasn't the "Chase Noir" cues re-used for Poison Ivy's seduction scenes in B&R? Schumacher was awfully fond of having Goldenthal following his own temp-track...

[Romão 2,274]

Actually, I think it was re-used (or re-arranged), for the scene when Bruce is having dinner with Julie Madison and sees a vision of Poison Ivy when he kisses her

[lonzoe 18]

This was the most anticipated reissue of 2011 for me back when LLLR released BR last year. I knew this wasn't far away. I'll have to wait until February to get this. Jason box and other things are preventing me from purchasing this right away. I hate that b/c I missed it's original album release. And I'm a fan of the score. Which was the best thing about an otherwise decent popcorn movie. Plus I'm a big batman fan. So this is going to be almost as much torture (patience wise) as waiting for that Jason box. Just hope this won't sell out before I'm able to purchase it.

[tharpdevenport 4]

I meant "Batman Forever". At least, I seem to recall it being the one mentioned.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

BATMAN FOREVER: LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET) LLLCD 1189

Music by Elliot Goldenthal

Limited Edition of 3500 Units

ORDER “BATMAN FOREVER:

LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)” on Jan 3 (1pm PST)

STARTS SHIPPING JAN. 3

RETAIL PRICE $29.98

Presenting the latest release in our Expanded Archival Collection, renowned composer Elliot Goldenthal’s (ALIEN 3, DEMOLITION MAN, HEAT, A TIME TO KILL) original score to the 1995 WARNER BROS. blockbuster film BATMAN FOREVER, starring Val Kilmer, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey and Nicole Kidman, directed by Joel Schumacher. Goldenthal’s robust orchestral score honors The Caped Crusader with a powerful theme that is pitch perfect whether appearing as a stalwart march or brooding character study. The rest of the score follows suit, effectively supporting the film’s array of characters and large-scale action with complex, memorable themes and motifs. This remastered release has been radically expanded, more than doubling the running time of the original 1995 score soundtrack release. (The remastered 1995 score album is presented here as well). Produced and supervised by Elliot Goldenthal, produced for La-La Land Records by Neil S. Bulk and Dan Goldwasser, and mastered by James Nelson, this 2-CD limited edition release features exclusive, in-depth liner notes from film music writer John Takis and is a must-have for any film-music enthusiast. This is a Limited Edition of 3500 Units.

TRACK LISTING:

DISC 1

THE SCORE

1. Main Title* 1:54

2. Batmobile*/Introducing Two-Face* 1:39

3. Thug Fight* 0:55

4. Obligatory Car Chase* 2:40

5. Nygma’s Cubicle*/Bat-Signal* 3:22

6. Capsule* 1:07

7. Rooftop Seduction*/Roof Plunge* 2:05

8. Nygma After Hours*/Brain Drain*/You Are Terminated* 4:52

9. Suicide*/First Riddle*/Second Riddle Delivered* 4:14

10. Dream Doll* 2:23

11. Big Top Bomb* 4:19

12. Circus Opening*/The Flying Graysons*/Death Drop* 3:41

13. Flashback*/Signal*/Robin’s Lament* 4:00

14. Have a Safe Flight*/Through the Eye* 5:57

15. Nygma’s Apartment*/Two-Face’s Lair*/Riddler’s Entrance*/Schizoid Stomp*/Brain Drain Expo*/Heist Montage* 6:04

16. Laundry Room Stunt* 0:25

17. More Heists*/Third Riddle*/Nosy Robin* 1:06

18. Building Nygmatech*/Family of Zombies* 1:29

19. Master Dick* 0:56

20. Memories Repressed*/Love* 2:34

21. Alley Rumble†/Screen Kiss* 1:38

22. Batcave*/Nygmatech Tango*/Public Demo* 4:39

23. Nygma & Chase Dance* 1:16

24. Two-Face’s Entrance*/Batman’s Entrance* 2:50

25. Gas Trap*/Batman Phoenix* 2:30

26. Gratitude Problem* 1:33

27. Go to Chase* 2:16

28. Batcave Closeout*/Dick Leaves Wayne Manor* 1:24

DISC ONE TIME: 74:54

DISC 2

THE SCORE (continued)

1. Happy Halloween*/The Bat*/Love Scene*/Twick or Tweat*/Seize and Capture* 7:08

2. Riddles Solved*/Partners*/Battleship* 6:21

3. Scuba Fight*/Claw Island*/Emperor of Madness* 5:10

4. Fun and Games* 3:07

5. Batterdämmerung 1:20

6. Two-Face’s Demise* 1:47

7. Bat Descent*/Arkham Asylum* 1:00

8. Wet Screen Kiss*/March On!* 1:22

BONUS TRACKS

9. Themes from Batman Forever (B-Side Single) 3:39

10. More Heists* (alternate) 0:39

ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM

11. Main Titles & Fanfare 1:52

12. Perpetuum Mobile 0:55

13. The Perils of Gotham 2:58

14. Chase Noir 1:45

15. Fledermausmarschmusik 1:14

16. Nygma Variations (An Ode to Science) 6:03

17. Victory 2:38

18. Descent 1:07

19. The Pull of Regret 2:49

20. Mouth to Mouth Nocturne 2:16

21. Gotham City Boogie 2:02

22. Under the Top 5:40

23. Mr. E’s Dance Card (Rhumba, Foxtrot, Waltz & Tango) 3:20

24. Two-Face Three Step 2:19

25. Chase Blanc 1:23

26. Spank Me! Overture 2:46

27. Holy Rusted Metal 1:52

28. Batterdämmerung 1:20

DISC TWO TIME: 76:35

TOTAL ALBUM TIME: 151:29

* Previously Unreleased

† Wreckage and Rape (Alien3) (Elliot Goldenthal)

GOTHAM CITY SPECIAL!!!!!

To celebrate the release of BATMAN FOREVER, the following BATMAN titles are on sale through 1/3/12. Danny Elfman’s BATMAN and BATMAN RETURNS are $24.98 each. Shirley Walker’s BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHANTASM and Nelson Riddle’s BATMAN 1966 are $9.98 each.

Spank me!

[Jay 37,352]

Wow, every single track except one has a little star next to it

What's the deal with Alien 3 music being included?

[Admiral Holdo 16]

The alley scene uses a portion of music from that film.

[Jay 37,352]

Kinda strange to include it in the flow of the score, though. I wouldn't want to hear Broken Arrow in the middle of Scream 2

[Romão 2,274]

It's usual with Goldenthal. You also get the Beast Within from Alien 3 in Cobb, and Pressing Judgment from A Time to Kill in Titus

[Admiral Holdo 16]

Kinda strange to include it in the flow of the score, though. I wouldn't want to hear Broken Arrow in the middle of Scream 2

True. Hopefully it's easily edited out. :-)

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Did he re-record it during the BF sessions?

[Jay 37,352]

Oh, I got the impression that it was the exact recording from Alien 3 tracked in. If it was re-recorded then I have NO problem with it being included

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I'd like to think this means LLL might release ALIEN 3 at some point.

[crocodile 8,006]

Wow, every single track except one has a little star next to it

What's the deal with Alien 3 music being included?

So you're saying that the OST basically consistns of Batman Forever alternates?

Karol

[Jay 37,352]

I'm not saying that, the press release is.

[Demondm810 399]

Wow, this is spectacular. This will have the neighbors upset by the weekend!

[scallenger 483]

Can't wait! I have a feeling the complete release of this will actually be a better listen than Elfman's efforts. I don't know why I always liked this score better than Elfman's. Sure, I love Elfman's Batman theme, but I somehow prefer this one more along with the underscore. It just seems much more alive, playful, and intense in style in comparison. Who else feels this way from what they have heard of this score?

[Romão 2,274]

Elfman's are better Batman scores, but Goldenthal's are much better music, IMHO

[crocodile 8,006]

44932.

Karol

[Demondm810 399]

yay! Ordered! 44977

[Jay 37,352]

Samples:

http://www.lalalandrecords.com/BatmanForever.html

[crocodile 8,006]

Sounds cool.

Ha! Shipped.

Karol

[Marian Schedenig 8,192]

So now I have one SAE order in the mail and two more pending at their site...

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

This looks (and sounds) so kick ass. I'm actually considering...getting it??

[scallenger 483]

I wonder how well it has sold already?

[shockwave 8]

This looks (and sounds) so kick ass. I'm actually considering...getting it??

From one Rhode Islander to another please do.

I had the original Forever score and the single tape w/the U2 song on side A & Goldenthal's theme on side B.

Oh those were the days.....

[John Takis 206]

This looks (and sounds) so kick ass. I'm actually considering...getting it??

I shall take it as a personal insult if you do not! That get you off the fence?

[lonzoe 18]

Can't wait! I have a feeling the complete release of this will actually be a better listen than Elfman's efforts. I don't know why I always liked this score better than Elfman's. Sure, I love Elfman's Batman theme, but I somehow prefer this one more along with the underscore. It just seems much more alive, playful, and intense in style in comparison. Who else feels this way from what they have heard of this score?

Goldenthal's BF score is probably more fun than Elfman's Batman scores ( though they have their fair share of fun), but Elfman's Bat scores are a lot more than fun, imho. Goldenthal's Bat scores feels more kiddy while Elfman's is more grown up. Both Elfman's and Goldenthal's Bat scores serves their films perfectly, though.

[Score_Fan 36]

Nabbed this, along with Returns. I'll need B89 at a later date, because as much as I do love that score, its honestly my least favorite of the burton/schumacher era. Returns being my favorite, Forever/B&R being a tie, and loving, just not as much - B89.

45257!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Got it from SAE along with Monsignor and The River.

[TownerFan 4,983]

To anyone who appreciate this great score, I recommend to check out Michael Daugherty's Metropolis Symphony. There lays at least part of Goldenthal's inspiration for his Bat scores.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003X1BV4M/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=1278548962&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000004CWL&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0RSMBV1B3RFRPM7G1RV3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_Symphony

[Romão 2,274]

Indeed, that is a great one

As for Batman Forever, while it might not fit with most people's notion of Batman should be, it still is one of the greatest comic book scores ever written. The thing is literally a living comic book. The finnest music ever written for the Caped Crusaded, IMHO, and I'm a huge fan of the character