Brónach 1,301 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I wanted to see this but the trailer totally put me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Bog-standard plot. even if it is inspired by true events.But of course Lucas wrote Star Wars, which did not have any great surprised in it's plot. That one turned out ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Certainly was a good trailer, made the movie look really good. Weird that it's coming out in Jan of 2012, though. I wonder if there will be a limited run in Dec 2011 so it qualifies for Oscars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I'm kind of interested in the score. Sounds like old-fashioned fun.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 ANybody knows why there is no released date of this film in Spain (or any other country than USA and Canda?I want to see this on theaters... not direct to dvd or something.Dont tell me no distributing companies want this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I can't believe this is the same company that did Pearl Harbor. The planes look like television quality plastic CGI. Hopefully they just need more time. But they are doing planes...and getting realistic machinery isn't exactly the cutting edge of CGI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josefsuma 9 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I can't believe this is the same company that did Pearl Harbor.The planes look like television quality plastic CGI. Hopefully they just need more time. But they are doing planes...and getting realistic machinery isn't exactly the cutting edge of CGI.Right! They look pretty unnatural, but they are not all CGI. A lot of plane scenes were shooted on the Milovice airport, which is few kilometers away from my town.Here are some pictures from shooting :http://loveville.beruna.cz/zobraz.php?cesta=liv/redtails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I can't believe this is the same company that did Pearl Harbor.The planes look like television quality plastic CGI. Hopefully they just need more time. But they are doing planes...and getting realistic machinery isn't exactly the cutting edge of CGI.Right! They look pretty unnatural, but they are not all CGI. A lot of plane scenes were shooted on the Milovice airport, which is few kilometers away from my town.Here are some pictures from shooting :http://loveville.ber...ta=liv/redtailsThanks for sharing those! P-51 Mustang is a beauty if there ever were one. I think prettier than the deadlier Spitfire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 They look fine...Better than the pearl harbonr ones.Its just the crispiness of HD, i think. It makes CGI a little more noticeable :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 They look fine...Better than the pearl harbonr ones.Its just the crispiness of HD, i think. It makes CGI a little more noticeable :/They're also using a lot of the technology and processes/techniques from Revenge of the Sith. Doesn't work as well outside of space methinks. The CG shots look weightless.**My point of reference for this is Top Gun. Best airplane effects I can remember.P.S. I love the "bring husbands back to their wives and children...blah blah blah" swelling speech. Because you know after a long day's work of...carpet bombing thousands of wives and children, you're gonna need some escorts to get you back to yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 nazis, i hate them.Tech and process from ROTS?Wouldnt they been using newer stuff from avatar, transformers, iron man, rango...?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Avatar is WETA, Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 not the parts that ILM did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 There are post-processing effects like color grading, image softening, camera zooming/manipulation, whatever - I'm not too good with the technical details - that can make completely practical effects shots, or real footage, look computerized and fake. Lucas is obviously a fan of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 ANybody knows why there is no released date of this film in Spain (or any other country than USA and Canda?I want to see this on theaters... not direct to dvd or something.Dont tell me no distributing companies want this What foreign market is there for a movie about racial barriers and WWII with an all-black cast?Lucas himself explained so much yesterday during his visit to The Daily Show. See here for that: http://www.thedailys...12/george-lucasEver the movie buff, he also calls this "one the first all-black action pictures ever made." It's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Urgh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 BIll cosby show and Fresh Prince were very popular here....What foreign market does not want to see cool WWII planes dogfights?Why should i care for Pearl harbor and not this?There are post-processing effects like color grading, image softening, camera zooming/manipulation, whatever - I'm not too good with the technical details - that can make completely practical effects shots, or real footage, look computerized and fake. Lucas is obviously a fan of these.As is jackson... most of the building miniatures camera sweeps in LOTR look CGI, and they werent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Does criticizing Lord of the Rings change the fact that Red Tails looks fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Manuel, LOTR was done in the early 2000's. In computer terms that is a life time ago.It was really the early days of CGI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Um, let the matter rest...But you really mean to defend LOTR by saying 2001 had films with early CGI?So the abbys, terminator 2, jurassic park...you cant call anything early cgi from 1995 to nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 That's stupid Manuel.That's like saying my first Generation 3 iPod with monochrome screen and seperate buttons above the clickwheel has to be judged by the same standards and an iPhone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 But you really mean to defend LOTR by saying 2001 had films with early CGI?So the abbys, terminator 2, jurassic park...you cant call anything early cgi from 1995 to nowadays.Those films had only fleeting CGI appearances...even JP. Before MATRIX and EPISODE I, i don't think whole seqences were computer-generated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 But you really mean to defend LOTR by saying 2001 had films with early CGI?So the abbys, terminator 2, jurassic park...you cant call anything early cgi from 1995 to nowadays.Those films had only fleeting CGI appearances...even JP. Before MATRIX and EPISODE I, i don't think whole seqences were computer-generated.It took ILM a year and half and over 100 people to just do 3 minutes of T-Rex in Jurassic Park. There are entire 1 or 2 minute sequences of CGI in Return of the King done in 2 nights by 10 people a week before release. You just can't compare 20 years ago to today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Uh... i meant that the abbys, terminator, JP is what one sould call early CGI.From 1995, or 1997 or even 1999 to nowadays, its 'modern' CGI. more or less photorealistic but it's not early. When it started to be used massively, it stopped being 'early'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 All Stefan is saying is that special effects technology advances quickly, and CGI done in 2012 should not be held to the same standards as CGI done in 2001 or 1993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 And he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 In 2002 Gollum was very hard to pull of, and it showed. In 2012 he will look much better, and it will not take nearly as much time and effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I know that.But i wouldnt dare to say ever that AOTC was made in the early days of CGI, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Luke, "The early days" is not an absolute, it is a moving scale.In 2002, 1993 was the early days of CGI and 2002 stuff was top of the line.In 2154, 2002 will be "the early days"That's what we're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 In 2002 Gollum was very hard to pull of, and it showed. Heh, i would have not wasted my time if you had said that in 2002! Luke, "The early days" is not an absolute, it is a moving scale.In 2002, 1993 was the early days of CGI and 2002 stuff was top of the line.In 2154, 2002 will be "the early days"That's what we're saying.That's like re-writting history as it suits you...Its only been ten years, It cannot apply now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,300 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 AOTC is a good example of progress. it was filmed digitally in 1980 X 1020 resolution, the same as the camcorder in Jason's phone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 "It was the early days of digital film making..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Exactly!You finally got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 It does not eliminate the fact that it can be critisized for that...Anyways.What i see in Red tails, the crispiness of the fire, the ships, the smoke the explosions.... is very similar to modern films (avatar, super 8, transformers 3....)So i dont really see the need to critisize this one more than the others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The effects look fine, the story looks cliched! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 avatar did really fine outside the US.i still want to know why it is not going to be released in my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I wanna know why Tyler Perry's films are not released in Europe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 avatar did really fine outside the US.i still want to know why it is not going to be released in my country.Black doesn't sell in Europe.Unlike the US, racial barriers are not a huge part of Europe's history. Sure, there are notorious examples here and there, if you're going to go to Wikipedia to debunk what I'm saying, but it never became a nation-wide issue. Hence, while the plight of black soliders in WWII might make for a good story, most people will probably fail to connect with the spirit behind it.Kinda like how the patriotism in Pearl Harbor infuriated a lot of the viewers. (I know Pearl Harbor was a big success but, from a marketing point of view, the characters were good-looking white people, so at least the average European guy could identify with them. Sad but true.) Only this case, there doesn't appear much of a personal, relatable angle other than the historic feat itself. You mentioned Fresh Prince and Bill Cosby, but you forgot the context. Back in the early and mid 1990s, there wasn't that much variety on Spanish prime-time TV, so people would watch that. Also, the dub removed all the black edge so, to people here, they were just average sitcoms competing with bad national programming. They weren't an old-fashioned movie (that type of nostalgia doesn't sell very well here either) trying to sell a hopelessly foreign story in one weekend against dozens of other expensive pictures.In fewer words: just because Lucas wanted to make it doesn't seem people want to see it. That Lucas simply doesn't exist anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The score will be released next month.http://www.amazon.co...ASIN=B006PTL0UE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Black doesn't sell in Europe.Movies no. Music does however. Basically everything hip and modern now hip hip, R&B, rap etc is derived from Afro American culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I was interested in seeing a film with a lot of dogfights and that. I saw the 7 minute scenes that were released and I thought they were a bit boring.And the planes and explosions do look very fake to me. Takes me out of the film. It doesn't have to look hiperrealistic, as long as it's cool to watch the CGIness is forgiven. Compare to, let's say, the white apes in John Carter. You know how it's been done, yet it seems there's actually something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 i wanted to see this movie in the big screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'm quite curious about the score, I loved Blanchard's work for Spike Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 i wanted to see this movie in the big screen Yeah, it's ridiculous.Film distribution in Spain is a bit fucked up in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 It's only shown in America and Canada.What a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Why is that a problem? These days you can find an HD download the day after something airs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Why is that a problem? These days you can find an HD download the day after something airs.Becausea) You might want to see it at the cinema.b) You might not have a proper HD screen to see it at home.c) You might be able to find an HD download of a film the day after, but I can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Sorry I got confused, I thought this was about Game Of Thrones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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