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Red Tails (Lucasfilm Production, Music by Terrence Blanchard)


Joe Brausam

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Certainly was a good trailer, made the movie look really good. Weird that it's coming out in Jan of 2012, though. I wonder if there will be a limited run in Dec 2011 so it qualifies for Oscars

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ANybody knows why there is no released date of this film in Spain (or any other country than USA and Canda?

I want to see this on theaters... not direct to dvd or something.

Dont tell me no distributing companies want this :(

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I can't believe this is the same company that did Pearl Harbor.

The planes look like television quality plastic CGI.

Hopefully they just need more time. But they are doing planes...and getting realistic machinery isn't exactly the cutting edge of CGI.

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I can't believe this is the same company that did Pearl Harbor.

The planes look like television quality plastic CGI.

Hopefully they just need more time. But they are doing planes...and getting realistic machinery isn't exactly the cutting edge of CGI.

Right! They look pretty unnatural, but they are not all CGI. A lot of plane scenes were shooted on the Milovice airport, which is few kilometers away from my town.

Here are some pictures from shooting ;):

http://loveville.beruna.cz/zobraz.php?cesta=liv/redtails

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I can't believe this is the same company that did Pearl Harbor.

The planes look like television quality plastic CGI.

Hopefully they just need more time. But they are doing planes...and getting realistic machinery isn't exactly the cutting edge of CGI.

Right! They look pretty unnatural, but they are not all CGI. A lot of plane scenes were shooted on the Milovice airport, which is few kilometers away from my town.

Here are some pictures from shooting ;):

http://loveville.ber...ta=liv/redtails

Thanks for sharing those!

P-51 Mustang is a beauty if there ever were one. I think prettier than the deadlier Spitfire!

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They look fine...

Better than the pearl harbonr ones.

Its just the crispiness of HD, i think. It makes CGI a little more noticeable :/

They're also using a lot of the technology and processes/techniques from Revenge of the Sith. Doesn't work as well outside of space methinks. The CG shots look weightless.*

*My point of reference for this is Top Gun. Best airplane effects I can remember.

P.S. I love the "bring husbands back to their wives and children...blah blah blah" swelling speech. Because you know after a long day's work of...carpet bombing thousands of wives and children, you're gonna need some escorts to get you back to yours. ;)

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There are post-processing effects like color grading, image softening, camera zooming/manipulation, whatever - I'm not too good with the technical details - that can make completely practical effects shots, or real footage, look computerized and fake. Lucas is obviously a fan of these.

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ANybody knows why there is no released date of this film in Spain (or any other country than USA and Canda?

I want to see this on theaters... not direct to dvd or something.

Dont tell me no distributing companies want this :(

What foreign market is there for a movie about racial barriers and WWII with an all-black cast?

Lucas himself explained so much yesterday during his visit to The Daily Show. See here for that: http://www.thedailys...12/george-lucas

Ever the movie buff, he also calls this "one the first all-black action pictures ever made." It's hilarious.

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BIll cosby show and Fresh Prince were very popular here....

What foreign market does not want to see cool WWII planes dogfights?

Why should i care for Pearl harbor and not this?

There are post-processing effects like color grading, image softening, camera zooming/manipulation, whatever - I'm not too good with the technical details - that can make completely practical effects shots, or real footage, look computerized and fake. Lucas is obviously a fan of these.

As is jackson... most of the building miniatures camera sweeps in LOTR look CGI, and they werent... :P

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Um, let the matter rest...

But you really mean to defend LOTR by saying 2001 had films with early CGI?

So the abbys, terminator 2, jurassic park...

you cant call anything early cgi from 1995 to nowadays.

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But you really mean to defend LOTR by saying 2001 had films with early CGI?

So the abbys, terminator 2, jurassic park...

you cant call anything early cgi from 1995 to nowadays.

Those films had only fleeting CGI appearances...even JP. Before MATRIX and EPISODE I, i don't think whole seqences were computer-generated.

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But you really mean to defend LOTR by saying 2001 had films with early CGI?

So the abbys, terminator 2, jurassic park...

you cant call anything early cgi from 1995 to nowadays.

Those films had only fleeting CGI appearances...even JP. Before MATRIX and EPISODE I, i don't think whole seqences were computer-generated.

It took ILM a year and half and over 100 people to just do 3 minutes of T-Rex in Jurassic Park.

There are entire 1 or 2 minute sequences of CGI in Return of the King done in 2 nights by 10 people a week before release. You just can't compare 20 years ago to today.

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Uh... i meant that the abbys, terminator, JP is what one sould call early CGI.

From 1995, or 1997 or even 1999 to nowadays, its 'modern' CGI. more or less photorealistic but it's not early. When it started to be used massively, it stopped being 'early'.

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All Stefan is saying is that special effects technology advances quickly, and CGI done in 2012 should not be held to the same standards as CGI done in 2001 or 1993

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Luke, "The early days" is not an absolute, it is a moving scale.

In 2002, 1993 was the early days of CGI and 2002 stuff was top of the line.

In 2154, 2002 will be "the early days"

That's what we're saying.

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In 2002 Gollum was very hard to pull of, and it showed.

Heh, i would have not wasted my time if you had said that in 2002! :P

Luke, "The early days" is not an absolute, it is a moving scale.

In 2002, 1993 was the early days of CGI and 2002 stuff was top of the line.

In 2154, 2002 will be "the early days"

That's what we're saying.

That's like re-writting history as it suits you...

Its only been ten years, It cannot apply now.

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It does not eliminate the fact that it can be critisized for that...

Anyways.

What i see in Red tails, the crispiness of the fire, the ships, the smoke the explosions.... is very similar to modern films (avatar, super 8, transformers 3....)

So i dont really see the need to critisize this one more than the others...

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avatar did really fine outside the US.

i still want to know why it is not going to be released in my country.

Black doesn't sell in Europe.

Unlike the US, racial barriers are not a huge part of Europe's history. Sure, there are notorious examples here and there, if you're going to go to Wikipedia to debunk what I'm saying, but it never became a nation-wide issue. Hence, while the plight of black soliders in WWII might make for a good story, most people will probably fail to connect with the spirit behind it.

Kinda like how the patriotism in Pearl Harbor infuriated a lot of the viewers. (I know Pearl Harbor was a big success but, from a marketing point of view, the characters were good-looking white people, so at least the average European guy could identify with them. Sad but true.) Only this case, there doesn't appear much of a personal, relatable angle other than the historic feat itself.

You mentioned Fresh Prince and Bill Cosby, but you forgot the context. Back in the early and mid 1990s, there wasn't that much variety on Spanish prime-time TV, so people would watch that. Also, the dub removed all the black edge so, to people here, they were just average sitcoms competing with bad national programming. They weren't an old-fashioned movie (that type of nostalgia doesn't sell very well here either) trying to sell a hopelessly foreign story in one weekend against dozens of other expensive pictures.

In fewer words: just because Lucas wanted to make it doesn't seem people want to see it. That Lucas simply doesn't exist anymore.

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I was interested in seeing a film with a lot of dogfights and that. I saw the 7 minute scenes that were released and I thought they were a bit boring.

And the planes and explosions do look very fake to me. Takes me out of the film. It doesn't have to look hiperrealistic, as long as it's cool to watch the CGIness is forgiven. Compare to, let's say, the white apes in John Carter. You know how it's been done, yet it seems there's actually something there.

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Why is that a problem? These days you can find an HD download the day after something airs.

Because

a) You might want to see it at the cinema.

b) You might not have a proper HD screen to see it at home.

c) You might be able to find an HD download of a film the day after, but I can't :lol:

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