LaloCoyoacan 46 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Hello! For a better knowledge of John Williams' works, I want to know why this soundtracks are not conducted by him.None but the Brave (I know that JW couldn't conduct this one 'cause of other works)Midway (I believe this is a re-recording, not the original score used on the film)Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Is this like Superman sequels? - another composer adapted the score -)Thank you for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Jurassic Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Well. John Williams most likely conducted the original score for Midway. just not the re-recording (either lack of interest, Varese could not afford him, or he was simply never asked)Jurassic Park was because he hurt his back, so Artie Kane took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Did JW conduct nothing from Jurassic Park?Anyway, why does it say then Music composed and conducted by JW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Williams hurt his back partway through the recording process, so Artie Kane only conducted a portion of the cues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 yes he conducted part of it until he hurt his back or after he recovered from it.so its true, from a certain POW Williams hurt his back partway through the recording process, so Artie Kane only conducted a portion of the cuesartie kane is credited with 'thanks to' in the cover credits so thats not the reason...EDIT: huh? heck i could swear i was quoting other text... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Ahhh yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Williams hurt his back partway through the recording process, so Artie Kane only conducted a portion of the cuesDon't you mean midway through the recording process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I have an idea that even though JW didn't conduct the whole thing, he was still involved all the way. Meaning, he listened to the recordings, made suggestions, and gave final approval. Who knows, maybe he was sitting right there next to Shawn Murphy, while Artie conducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I have an idea that even though JW didn't conduct the whole thing, he was still involved all the way. Meaning, he listened to the recordings, made suggestions, and gave final approval. Who knows, maybe he was sitting right there next to Shawn Murphy, while Artie conducted.I assume he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Which would go a long way toward explaining why they didn't bother changing the "Music Composed and Conducted by JW."Because, although JW didn't always swing the baton himself, he was still conducting, in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 If he was physically able to then he would have certainly have been present at the sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Speaking of Midway, does anyone know if Varese got an orchestra together to do a re-recording because they couldn't license the original film recordings, or was it because the original film recordings are GONE/missing/destroyed/etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Speaking of Midway, does anyone know if Varese got an orchestra together to do a re-recording because they couldn't license the original film recordingsThis seems highly unlikely.or was it because the original film recordings are GONE/missing/destroyed/etc?Yes, probably. Don't know for sure, though.------But actually I have the 2 original recordings:1. Midway March (02:46)2. The men of the Yorktown march (03:11)They are on the Japanese version of John Williams Filmworks.http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/7761/John+Williams+Filmworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Why is that unlikely Josh?Varese re-recorded lot's of scores because the originals were not available to them. (Last Of The Mohicans, Jaws, Out Of Africa etc...)A few tracks from Midway did appear on the Japanese version of the Filmworks CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Because the original recordings were never released on a CD. Just the 2 tracks (if I am not mistaken). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Midway is a Universal production and at the time of the Varese recording I imagine the original tracks were not available to license. Now that Universal is allowing the labels to raid their vaults, if the original tracks are available and the rights are not tangled, Midway may finally see a release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaloCoyoacan 46 Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 An what about Harry Potter and the CoS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Conducted by Williams Ross, just like the CD says. Williams had to leave after writing all the sketches to go do Catch Me If You Can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Everyone knows that Ross wrote 60% of that score himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 The sheet music tells a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I don't how how many Williams Ross fans there are here, but I gotta say this: I was actually amazed how abysmally bad WR is . . . or was. I happened to watch an old MacGyver episode scored by WR, and oh my God! My music teacher in high school could have done a better job, is what I thought. If I am not mistaken, it was the first episode of the 7th season...What was JW thinking in hiring WR, of all people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 What do you think of the samples on this link from his scores to The Tale Of Despereaux? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Williams hurt his back partway through the recording process, so Artie Kane only conducted a portion of the cuesDon't you mean midway through the recording process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I was never aware that JW hurt his back during the recording sessions of Jurassic Park. You learn something new every day!What would be very interesting is to discover which cues he conducted, and which were done by Artie Kane. I bet there's a teeny difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Since JW was still the one who wrote the music, was there to work with different sections to tweak things, was there in the booth to hear it all and suggest changes, and just wasn't the one there waving the baton, probably not.It's kinda like how you can't tell just by listening who orchestrated a cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 In Superman IV, according to the credits, John Williams composed the music and Alexander Courage conducted and adapted it, but I've heard that the music was composed by AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 It's an original score by Alexander Courage, that includes themes written by John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Well, I've always had that doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Since JW was still the one who wrote the music, was there to work with different sections to tweak things, was there in the booth to hear it all and suggest changes, and just wasn't the one there waving the baton, probably not.It's kinda like how you can't tell just by listening who orchestrated a cuei have the thought that WIlliams did not conduct the main theme, that`s why every other rendition by him is speed up (or to put it more correctly different tempo).but then i would assume that would be the cue that williams would have wanted to conduct and get it right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I don't how how many Williams Ross fans there are here, but I gotta say this: I was actually amazed how abysmally bad WR is . . . or was. I happened to watch an old MacGyver episode scored by WR, and oh my God! My music teacher in high school could have done a better job, is what I thought. If I am not mistaken, it was the first episode of the 7th season...What was JW thinking in hiring WR, of all people?MacGyver? Don't assume you're hearing the full spectrum of Ross's talents. He probably just wrote whatever the producers demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 and when he was very very young and was starting....he must have been in his 20's by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaloCoyoacan 46 Posted June 2, 2011 Author Share Posted June 2, 2011 In Superman IV, according to the credits, John Williams composed the music and Alexander Courage conducted and adapted it, but I've heard that the music was composed by AC.John Williams compose these 3 themes for Superman IV - The Quest For Peace:1. Someone like you (Lacy's theme)2. Jeremy's theme3. Nuclear man theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,498 Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Speaking of Midway, does anyone know if Varese got an orchestra together to do a re-recording because they couldn't license the original film recordings, or was it because the original film recordings are GONE/missing/destroyed/etc?Most likelyNot quite. The R2 DVD is in stereo, and so is the music, which means that a potential stereo recording exists...Speaking of Midway, does anyone know if Varese got an orchestra together to do a re-recording because they couldn't license the original film recordingsThis seems highly unlikely.or was it because the original film recordings are GONE/missing/destroyed/etc?Yes, probably. Don't know for sure, though.------But actually I have the 2 original recordings:1. Midway March (02:46)2. The men of the Yorktown march (03:11)They are on the Japanese version of John Williams Filmworks.http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/7761/John+Williams+FilmworksI have the original Japanese 7 - inch vinyl disc with the aforementioned tracks.Because the original recordings were never released on a CD. Just the 2 tracks (if I am not mistaken).You are not mistaken, friend.P.s., don't forget that "Heidi" was not conducted by JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 and when he was very very young and was starting....he must have been in his 20's by then.Well, normally I am not so critical of TV scores, but this was really abysmally bad. You couldn't even concentrate on the story itself, because the music kept intruding.I think the producers realized that too, soon afterwards. Because after this episode WR scored only a 2 or 3 episodes... the rest was done by Ken Harrison (who is not too shabby). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Dont forget Dennis Mccarthy please, Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Dont forget Dennis Mccarthy please, Josh.Well, yes, of course. Dennis McCarthy and Randy Edelman also scored many episodes, the latter in addition to contributing the famous theme.But I was talking about the 7th and last season. As far as I remember--and correct me if I am wrong--Ken Harrison did pretty much the entire season (except for a few, which were done by WR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Actually Randy Edelman only did the pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 No, there you are mistaken, my friend.He scored several episodes in the first and second season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Randy Edelman seems to disagree with you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Not at all.For the main theme alone he should have gotten an Emmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 What is your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I used to have the first couple of seasons of MacGyver on DVD. Besides, you can easily look it up at imdb, if you don't believe me.Here you go!http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006055/filmoseries#tt0088559The ones he scored, it says " composer (theme music) , Composer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Looks like they could have just reused music from the pilot.In Ubeda Edelman stated he left the show very early, not being able to work under the pressure of a tight schedule for a TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think Randy Edelman and Dennis McCarthy both did a fantastic job. They made the MacGyverisms seem more impressive than they actually were! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I'd kill for an official release of some music from MacGyver.Has any actual version of the main theme made onto any TV compilations or anything? All that I've ever heard are re-recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 You could always check out this MacGyver fan page for music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Hello! For a better knowledge of John Williams' works, I want to know why this soundtracks are not conducted by him.None but the Brave (I know that JW couldn't conduct this one 'cause of other works)Midway (I believe this is a re-recording, not the original score used on the film)Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Is this like Superman sequels? - another composer adapted the score -)Thank you for your helpNo, JW composed all of the music for Chamber of Secrets. I believe King Mark has a link to an interesting interview in his signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuttersteps 1 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think Randy Edelman and Dennis McCarthy both did a fantastic job. They made the MacGyverisms seem more impressive than they actually were!I love McCarthy's ascending MacGyverising motif. Very simple, yet effective. All four of the MacGyver composers came up w/ their own motifs, but McCarthy's took the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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