crocodile 8,008 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 @Tom Guernsey Your description of Alice in Wonderland suite sounds an awful lot like the suite he did for the sequel. Hopefully, every concert work Elfman writes gets released. That's where he's at these days! Karol Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, crocodile said: @Tom Guernsey Your description of Alice in Wonderland suite sounds an awful lot like the suite he did for the sequel. Karol Yes I think it was. I thought that’s what I’d said but maybe I didn’t express myself very well! JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ddddeeee 248 Posted March 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2022 The Alice suite that he's been using in concerts is the full version of 'Alice's Theme' which then transitions into 2:45 onwards of 'Alice'. The 'Alice' suite is actually another suite for Alice in Wonderland, not Alice Through the Looking Glass. He wrote it for the Royal Albert Hall live-to-projection performance in 2015. At this point, Elfman was writing the score for the sequel, so he recorded that new suite for the secondary material in the first movie and added it to the sequel's CD. Omen II, Disco Stu, Bayesian and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, ddddeeee said: The Alice suite that he's been using in concerts is the full version of 'Alice's Theme' which then transitions into 2:45 onwards of 'Alice'. The 'Alice' suite is actually another suite for Alice in Wonderland, not Alice Through the Looking Glass. He wrote it for the Royal Albert Hall live-to-projection performance in 2015. At this point, Elfman was writing the score for the sequel, so he recorded that new suite for the secondary material in the first movie and added it to the sequel's CD. Makes sense that if he wrote an updated version of a concert arrangement that he’d record it for the sequel when the opportunity arose. But it’s basically half the concert arrangement of Alice’s theme (more or less) from the original score but then works in some music from other cues (including the finale I think) from the midway point. It does make it a more varied suite I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Is that the same suite that was performed at the Hollywood in Vienna concert? The one with those horribly cringey children featured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Is Elfman still using ' ghostwriters'? 😙 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 27/03/2022 at 5:57 AM, Bayesian said: After JW, Danny Elfman is by far the film composer I most dearly want to compose "classical" works. Considering the demoralizingly barren wasteland that Hollywood film scoring seems to be irretrievably turning into, I'd love it if Elfman one day decided to live off his existing royalties and go the JW route, scoring only Tim Burton's films and focusing on the far more fertile classical scene. I don't think Danny has any intention of "leaving Hollywood" any time soon. He just did Doctor Strange 2, so I guess he still enjoys doing the big assignment. What he probably is trying to have is a more diverse and widespread career, giving himself the luxury of taking 2 or 3 months off of Hollywood routine and write more personal concert music or even doing a rock album like he did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 hours ago, TownerFan said: I don't think Danny has any intention of "leaving Hollywood" any time soon. He just did Doctor Strange 2, so I guess he still enjoys doing the big assignment. What he probably is trying to have is a more diverse and widespread career, giving himself the luxury of taking 2 or 3 months off of Hollywood routine and write more personal concert music or even doing a rock album like he did last year. As long as he has time to mix up with film work that’s cool. I know he’s often said that he couldn’t previously quite imagine composing without images to start from and had to effectively conjure up images to inspire him for Serenada Schizophrana but it feels like he’s gained the confidence to write absolute music and to do it really well! JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,008 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 27/03/2022 at 2:19 PM, ddddeeee said: The Alice suite that he's been using in concerts is the full version of 'Alice's Theme' which then transitions into 2:45 onwards of 'Alice'. The 'Alice' suite is actually another suite for Alice in Wonderland, not Alice Through the Looking Glass. He wrote it for the Royal Albert Hall live-to-projection performance in 2015. At this point, Elfman was writing the score for the sequel, so he recorded that new suite for the secondary material in the first movie and added it to the sequel's CD. I actually prefer this suite on the ATTLG CD to the original. It's more developed. Elfman did the same thing with BATMAN and BATMAN RETURNS, where imho the BR Main Title is better than the first film's, like he was more relaxed because he already knew the material and got to play and experiment with it more. On 27/03/2022 at 5:57 AM, Bayesian said: After JW, Danny Elfman is by far the film composer I most dearly want to compose "classical" works. Considering the demoralizingly barren wasteland that Hollywood film scoring seems to be irretrievably turning into, I'd love it if Elfman one day decided to live off his existing royalties and go the JW route, scoring only Tim Burton's films and focusing on the far more fertile classical scene. I love his concert works, too, but considering how John Williams at 90 still works in Hollywood, I don't think Elfman will stop doing it, if for no other reason, it pays much better than classical music. And he gets way more attention and recognition working in films, that are seen by tens, hundreds of millions of people, while a classical music piece is heard by tens of thousands at best. And he can do them both with ease, taking one or two film scoring jobs a year and taking the rest of his time composing a concerto or symphony or whatever. He's still relatively young, he can do whatever he wants. And to be honest, I love his film scores so much, I don't want him to quit writing film scores, but that's just my selfishness talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinkingMonk 1 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I have a question for y'all: What do you think an Elfman's theme for Superman Lives might have sounded like? I might have initially guessed his Spider-Man theme maybe but it still doesn't feel right imo... JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 992 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Huh, that's a question I never thought about. I doubt he always had the "characters should have the one cinematic theme only" belief, but then I'm sure WB might've still insisted the JW theme be kept by virtue of iconography. Then again, given the supposed grittier nature the film would've had, I don't know if he actually would've written anything particularly heroic. Could he have thought of something like his Age of Ultron theme then perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SyncMan 314 Posted March 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2022 USA premiere of his Cello Concerto: San Francisco Symphony Orchestra Michael Tilson Thomas, conductor Gautier Capuçon, cello November 11, 12, 13, 2022 https://www.sfsymphony.org/Buy-Tickets/2022-23/Capucon-Plays-Danny-Elfman Bayesian, crocodile and Tom Guernsey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,008 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 16 hours ago, WinkingMonk said: I have a question for y'all: What do you think an Elfman's theme for Superman Lives might have sounded like? I might have initially guessed his Spider-Man theme maybe but it still doesn't feel right imo... That's a great question! It would have been spectacular, in the vein of John Williams' Superman Theme, but sounding similar to his Spider-Man Theme. If only he would compose a Superman Theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, SyncMan said: USA premiere of his Cello Concerto: San Francisco Symphony Orchestra Michael Tilson Thomas, conductor Gautier Capuçon, cello November 11, 12, 13, 2022 https://www.sfsymphony.org/Buy-Tickets/2022-23/Capucon-Plays-Danny-Elfman Wow. MTT is a proper top rank conductor and the SFS is a great orchestra. That’s an impressive premiere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Yes! It's his most high profile concert work premiere by a country mile. Very exciting to see Elfman make it so far into the "inner circle" Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 New interview: https://tapeop.com/interviews/148/danny-elfman/ An interesting tidbit or two: "After 110 films, or whatever it’s been, one of the only two times I feel I collaborated with anybody – between the score and the songs – was with Elliott on Good Will Hunting and with Tyler, The Creator on The Grinch. Everything else has been totally separate and removed." "Coachella had been trying to get me to put together an Oingo Boingo reunion for years. I’m so sorry, but it’s never going to happen." Bayesian and Tom Guernsey 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Was wondering why he mentioned Elliott Smith so casually in your quotes and then saw that this was in Tape Op and it clicked. Larry Crane was Elliott’s friend, started a studio in Portland with Elliott, and has been his estate’s archivist since he died. Looking forward to reading this article tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 29/3/2022 at 10:52 AM, SyncMan said: USA premiere of his Cello Concerto: San Francisco Symphony Orchestra Michael Tilson Thomas, conductor Gautier Capuçon, cello November 11, 12, 13, 2022 https://www.sfsymphony.org/Buy-Tickets/2022-23/Capucon-Plays-Danny-Elfman I am so f***ing going to this. Thank you for alerting us; l don't think I'd ever have learned about it until after all the tickets had sold. (Tix aren't actually being sold to this concert yet, but I'll be there when they do.) SyncMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Great interview! Other key “news” is that Elfman will be releasing Big Mess demos on his website sometime soon, and there’s some nice subtle shade thrown Zimmer’s way towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Nice interview, although I skimmed some of the technical bits; they go over my head. But refreshing to hear some different areas than what we usually get (Elfman has his share of "But they're all dead" stories too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I thought this was interesting too, "The Little Things" is terrific: Quote Before Coachella, and before I started doing Jack Skellington [live], I began doing some training to try and bring back my range. When it came time to do Big Mess, I’d already stopped doing that. I had to find a voice, and that was part of the fun of the process. I know what Jack Skellington’s voice is, but I don’t know what my voice is anymore. I only did one song in the last quarter-century. It was for this movie Wanted, and I cut a song [“The Little Things”] for [director] Timur Bekmambetov. That was it! Tom Guernsey and Not Mr. Big 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 Yea I love that song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Don't know how to embed Instagram posts, but love this unboxing video by Elfman himself. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CbqkdF5A9GI/ By the way, he looks crazy good for 68. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Thor said: By the way, he looks crazy good for 68. He looks good either way, but he obviously dyes his hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I told him on twitter to stop dying his hair and begin to assume his white hair. He didn't answer me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Do redheads even get white/grey hair? Probably not untill they're very, very old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Yes, probably later in life as with blonde people. Williams had reddish hair, didnt he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Yes, probably later in life as with blonde people. Blondes grey up early in comparison. I've already started to, and I'm 44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 For my first 10 years my hair was bleach blonde, now it's a light brown and I have my first couple tufts of white on the sides at age 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 You're just a kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Hopefully it's a very slow process, I'd hate to be completely white by 40. I'm guessing it'll just be streaks of white on the side for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I started with the sides of my beard at 38. And some single hairs on the head. I'm dark blond. Black haired people start getting white hairs in their twenties... I dont remember, how is ron howard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Luke Skywalker said: I dont remember, how is ron howard? Here he is on Graham Norton a few months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 So yes, redhairs get grey 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Eventually. I suppose Howard was less lucky than Elfman (they're the same age). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddddeeee 248 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Elfman was almost bald 12 years ago. Not sure luck has much to do with it.... Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Here he is on Graham Norton a few months ago Is that Steef? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddddeeee 248 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 Video recap of last week's concert. There's footage of all four movements of the concerto. Tom Guernsey and Omen II 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 "I never even watched the [LOTR] films because I found the music too scary." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,069 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 They're also overlong and outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 13 hours ago, ddddeeee said: Video recap of last week's concert. There's footage of all four movements of the concerto. Tells you so much more than the programme. I may have missed this but I’m surprised that the LPO didn’t send me a link to this as someone who went to the concert! Definitely increases my hope that it gets recorded and was also a good reminder of how great the other two Elfman items sounded. Batman was especially terrific. While I’ve no doubt Elfman is very proud of Big Mess (not my cup of tea at all), I wish he was posting with as much enthusiasm and frequency about his concert works. I rather think that the majority of his film score fans would get a lot more out them than Big Mess which is really quite different. It’s not even that much like his Oingo Boingo or other solo stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,069 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 I guess you could say it's a big mess. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddddeeee 248 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Sound clips from Elfman's Percussion Quartet, out next month. https://www.cedillerecords.org/albums/perspectives/ Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ddddeeee said: Sound clips from Elfman's Percussion Quartet, out next month. https://www.cedillerecords.org/albums/perspectives/ Very cool, look forward to that... hopefully the concerto isn't far behind. (It wouldn't be a film music forum post about a new release without a "and I also wish for..." comment ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,069 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I also wish for a piano concerto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I also wish for a piano concerto. Well I was trying to stick to things he's already written and finished... so I shall shameless add the Cello Concerto to my wishlist. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,480 Posted April 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2022 Now, that's a collection I can be proud of! Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Disco Stu and KittBash 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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