Sandor 459 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 So which score sounds most like John Williams, but was written by another composer..?Just wondering. As a child I was convinced Young Sherlock Holmes was scored by Williams, only later to find out it was not. It wouldn't fool like that me if I had heard it for the first time now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 The non-Williams score that sounds like most like a John Williams scoreAre you still a teacher? Long time ago, long before Napster made the same mistake I figured Back To The Future was by JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 27,216 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Members can edit topic titles themselves now!I've heard that Coronado by Ralf Wienrich is very Williams-ish, but I haven't checked it out yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 126 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 6,294 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 This one reminds me of Smallville theme music. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,484 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 CLASH OF THE TITANS...you guessed it, the 1981 version.COCOON; clearly a JAMES HORNER SCOREtm, but when i first heard it, i guessed Williams.LOST IN SPACE (Broughton) sounds very Williams-y without being clearly identifiable as second-rate copySKY CAPTAIN is clearly identifiable, i still think it catches certain manierisms of JW with worrisome perfection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 6,294 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 From 2:30 onwards. That's Jurassic Park action music! Woodwinds in particular. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,484 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I've heard that Coronado by Ralf Wienrich is very Williams-ish, but I haven't checked it out yetFor you to decide: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Does not sound like John Williams to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,484 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Does not sound like John Williams to me.A bit of Williams in Pops mode with a heavy dash of Rozsa. There is some very SCHERZO FOR MC AND ORCHESTRA-like writing in it, though. It was a garish tv actioner by one of those commercial german stations - i guess somebody was fired because they normally only use Hansi Z. as template. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Silverado has been referred to as the Western John Williams never wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedohr 0 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I've heard that Coronado by Ralf Wienrich is very Williams-ish, but I haven't checked it out yetFor you to decide: The opening is nothing but a Star Wars rip-off! If ya gonna steal, steal from the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Star Wars rip-off? In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roll the Bones 2,967 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 sounds more ST:TMP to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,273 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 There have been many composers who have managed to create good Williams pastiche (McNeely, Debney etc.), but no one -- and I mean no one! -- has done it as well as Mike Verta, IMO. I was totally blown away by some of his Williams "tribute" compositions. Not a pebble of originality, of course, but an amazing gift of catching another's composer's voice. Check out mikeverta.com for music samples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 6,294 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I'm sure Conrad Pope is quite capable of doing that too. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Kevin Kaska does a mean John Williams impression in Lair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Deep Blue by George Fenton. It's probably no where close, but I can hear many of his qualities in it.I've heard people say that Conan the Barbarian was very Williamesque. I beg to differ. It's closer to Goldsmith than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Goldsmith? In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Long time ago, long before Napster made the same mistake I figured Back To The Future was by JW.As a kid I thought the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Goldsmith? In what way?I don't know really. It just sounds like something Goldsmith could have done around that era. From Legend, Capricorn One, The Wind and the Lion, TMP, etc.However, I hate threads like this as Williams, Goldsmith, Poledouris, etc are the giants. They all have a unique voice when at a time that voice was allowed to shine and take center stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I've heard that Coronado by Ralf Wienrich is very Williams-ish, but I haven't checked it out yetFor you to decide: More Silvestri like with some Rozsa mannierism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Goldsmith's Universal logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I'm sure Conrad Pope is quite capable of doing that too. KarolIt is said The Train sequence from Legend of Zorro is soudning much like Williams, while it is indeed gohst-composed by Conrad Pope. Generally Pope's own scores have a distinctly different sound than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Parts of the Super-8 sound like CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 27,216 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 1,093 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Few parts, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 203 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Deep Blue by George Fenton. It's probably no where close, but I can hear many of his qualities in it.I've heard people say that Conan the Barbarian was very Williamesque. I beg to differ. It's closer to Goldsmith than anything.Ehh, I think it's more Rózsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I mean John Williams -like in "spirit" and the ways the themes are interwoven and reminiscent orchestrations(none of them can "fool" me they could have been written by JW as Roald says)Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow(Ed Shearmur)Super 8(Michael Giacchino)Medal of Honor(Michael Giacchino)Secret Weapons over Normandy(Michael Giacchino)BattleStar Galactica,Saga of a Star World (Stu Philips)Shadow of the Empire (Joel McNeely)The Force Unleashed (Mark Grisky)Taken(Laura Karpman)Kick Ass(some portions of it, Henry Jackman)Masters of the Universe(Bill Conti)Young Sherlock Holmes(Bruce Broughton)The Black Hole(John Barry)Stargate (David Arnold)Poltergeist(Jerry Goldsmith)Kick the Can portion of Twilight Zone the Movie (Jerry Goldsmith)Clash of the Titans(Laurence Rosenthal)If you want to go in the plagiarism/rip-off territory:Flipper(Joel Mc Neely)Indiana Jones and Phantom Train of Doom(Joel Mc Neely)No.Parts of it sound like E.T. Lucy's Theme is dangerously close to the Flying Theme, but different enough to let it pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Goldsmith? In what way?I don't know really. It just sounds like something Goldsmith could have done around that era. From Legend, Capricorn One, The Wind and the Lion, TMP, etc.However, I hate threads like this as Williams, Goldsmith, Poledouris, etc are the giants. They all have a unique voice when at a time that voice was allowed to shine and take center stage.Well Anvil Of Crom certainly sounds like it was temp tracked with Capricorn One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Goldsmith? In what way?I don't know really. It just sounds like something Goldsmith could have done around that era. From Legend, Capricorn One, The Wind and the Lion, TMP, etc.However, I hate threads like this as Williams, Goldsmith, Poledouris, etc are the giants. They all have a unique voice when at a time that voice was allowed to shine and take center stage.Well Anvil Of Crom certainly sounds like it was temp tracked with Capricorn One.Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 And years later Goldsmith was bashed for stealing The Anvil Of Crom theme for Conan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I can't really of anything by James Horner that sounds Williamesque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,273 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Deep Blue by George Fenton. It's probably no where close, but I can hear many of his qualities in it.I've heard people say that Conan the Barbarian was very Williamesque. I beg to differ. It's closer to Goldsmith than anything.Ehh, I think it's more Rózsa I don't think it sounds like any of them. It sounds like QUINTESSENTIAL BASIL POLEDOURIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I can't really of anything by James Horner that sounds WilliamesquePortions of the Train cue from Zorro, as mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 203 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Deep Blue by George Fenton. It's probably no where close, but I can hear many of his qualities in it.I've heard people say that Conan the Barbarian was very Williamesque. I beg to differ. It's closer to Goldsmith than anything.Ehh, I think it's more Rózsa I don't think it sounds like any of them. It sounds like QUINTESSENTIAL BASIL POLEDOURIS!Hoorah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 With some Rozsa in Mountain of Power Procession and Alex North in Pit Fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 203 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 "Pit Fight" I would even call Rozsa, it's an awful lot like the galley sequence in Ben-Hur! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,476 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I can't really of anything by James Horner that sounds WilliamesqueThe previous Universal logo.Return to Oz is one for me. It's very much in that style of JW symphonic score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 I can't really of anything by James Horner that sounds WilliamesqueThe previous Universal logo.Return to Oz is one for me. It's very much in that style of JW symphonic score.Train sequence from Legend of Zorro is soudning much like Williams, while it is indeed gohst-composed by Conrad Pope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Speaking of Universal Logos, Goldsmith's sounds a little like Williams. Some of Ron Jone's work on Family Guy sounds like Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 The first time I watched FOTR, it occurred to me that the music sounded vaguely Williams-like at times. I didn't hear anything that made me go, "Oh, that's definitely him," but still.I haven't heard much Williams-inspired material that genuinely sounds like he could have written it, but you can certainly find bits of older music that Williams seems to have been inspired from. I'm thinking especially outside of film music - Stravinsky, Vaughan Williams, Holst, Sibelius, Elgar, etc. There are moments that feel like Williams clearly listened to them, studied them, and filtered them through his own musical voice, eventually contributing to the way his music sounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,548 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Return to Oz is one for me. It's very much in that style of JW symphonic score.That's probably because Herb Spencer did some orchestrations on it. That score is really so great.There are several composers who stabbed at doing Williams' impressions, sometimes good and sometimes bad. John Debney and Joel McNeely have both done some good Williams-like writing, but more often than not they fell into carbon-copy territory.I agree Broughton is probably the one who really came close to Williams without actually copying him. The end credits of Young Sherlock Holmes is a good example.I haven't heard much Williams-inspired material that genuinely sounds like he could have written it, but you can certainly find bits of older music that Williams seems to have been inspired from. I'm thinking especially outside of film music - Stravinsky, Vaughan Williams, Holst, Sibelius, Elgar, etc. There are moments that feel like Williams clearly listened to them, studied them, and filtered them through his own musical voice, eventually contributing to the way his music sounded.I agree but that's a whole another thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 557 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Star Wars rip-off? In what way?I think he was referring to the fact that the opening of the Coronado cue is similar to the brass fanfare that concludes the end credits of ESB (one tone higher in pitch). It sounds quite similar also to me. But it's a really short passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Searching through the archives I found this gem of thread of who we thought was the next JW. This was 9 years ago.http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedohr 0 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Star Wars rip-off? In what way?I think he was referring to the fact that the opening of the Coronado cue is similar to the brass fanfare that concludes the end credits of ESB (one tone higher in pitch). It sounds quite similar also to me. But it's a really short passage.No, I'm talking about the main theme. You might remember the very intro of the Star Wars theme, it starts off quite powerfully as the strings hit a high note (Bb, the root) along with cymbals and the brass make a rhythm motive in triplets. Now listen to Coronado, the same thing. Another key (Gb), a harp run before the first bar but the same idea and the same effect. At least that's how it sounds in my ears. Kalli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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