Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 5 hours ago, AC1 said: No Martin Scorsese flicks for Koray then. Seems limited for a cinephile to only like movies about perfect people. I prefer them flawed, much more interesting. Scorsese is one of my favorite filmmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 18 hours ago, Glóin the Dark said: you apply your imagination to get some sense of what it would be like to be such a person in such circumstances. Because the movie had cared to extend its hand to me and not activelly try and put buffers between me and the character. Wallace mauls defenceless foes to death, but I understand him and why he does it much better than any mobster in any mob film not called The Godfather, and so I can empathize with Wallace - in spite of some of his actions - in a way that I can't Henry Hill, for instance. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Because... Sure, and I'm not suggesting that you should easily empathise with (e.g.) Henry Hill, or that you should try to. It's your specific argument ("They're NOT like you and me") for distinguishing between these types of characters which I'm disputing. For what it's worth, I think Henry Hill's character and circumstances, and how he came to be in those circumstances, are pretty well conveyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: It's your specific argument ("They're NOT like you and me") for distinguishing between these types of characters which I'm disputing. I like or dislike characters based on their virtues. Wallace has a lot of virtues. Henry Hill doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I understand, and I have no quibble with your personal taste or subjective opinion of these characters. I note, though, that you're now talking about liking or disliking the characters, which is a completely separate issue from empathising with them. (I'm not claiming that your ability to empathise with characters is separate from your affection for them, of course - just people in general, and, specifically, myself.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: which is a completely separate issue from empathising with them. I mean, I can pity an evil character. I pity Vito when he learns Sonny is killed; I pity Commodus in Gladiator; and I pity Alberich at the beginning of Act II of Gotterdamerung But that's not the same as empathizing with them; at least, not in the way that you want to empathize with the hero of the piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Maybe we're using the word "empathise" differently, because for me empathy is not something which is precluded by moral disapproval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: not something which is precluded by moral disapproval. Its a sliding scale, obviously. I have a moral disapproval of a lot of the things we see Wallace do. But I think the circumstances there explain his actions in ways that the circumstances in Goodfellas or Once Upon a Time in America do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I really couldn't disagree more, at least regarding Goodfellas, which is a realistic story realistically portrayed and told directly from the point-of-view of the protagonist. I don't see what's missing in the way of explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Gratuitous sex, a lightsabre duel, and a lot of explosions, would have improved it, no end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,480 Posted December 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2021 I wish us all gratuitous sex till the end of our lives! LSH, Brónach, Chen G. and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Fiddler on the Roof I had never seen the film before at all, until we watched it a couple months ago so I'd have context for the music. I had wondered when I listened to the soundtrack album for the first earlier this year, why were all the fun and happy songs up front, and then it gets less interesting for the second half of the album? I was surprised to find out when watching the film finally, that it was because the film takes a drastically dark turn around the midway point! We were not prepared for such a turn, expecting a brighter and happier film based on the big classic songs we'd heard a million times. In retrospect it is of course fantastic that the film is structured this way, really makes the seriousness of the plight of their village, and by extension the entire shtetl area, way more impactful. I was also kind of the surprised that the film really just starts with no context or setup about the time or location; Did audiences in the early 70s just know what the Pale was and when this film was taking place? The actors do fine work especially Topol, who was a true tour de force the likes of which I hadn't seen on screen in a while. He alone basically makes the film worth watching. I enjoyed any time the film step away from reality, such as showing his made-up dream, or his monologues about his daughter's marriage wishes that visualize them far in the background while he ponders. The music is catchy as hell and has been running through my head a lot lately. Williams really make sure to have the music give the film the epic feeling it deserves. It's a shame MGM is doing diddly squat for the film's 50th anniversary, as it deserves a proper 8K remaster and 4K release. It's on Kanopy and Prime Holko and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Topol who was a true tour de force the likes of which I hadn't seen on screen in a while. ... except for George C. Scott, the year before 1 hour ago, Jay said: Wlliams really make sure to have the music give the film the epic feeling it deserves. I agree... up to a point. If you ask me (and you haven't), musicals are intimate stories played out on a large canvas. Yeah, it's all Technicolour, and 70mm, and stereophonic sound, but at the heart of any musical, you've got ordinary people leading ordinary lives. You could say that - like most films - it's life in close up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Hunchback of Notre Dame( animated) Well made but totally by-the-numbers Disney product. If, you never watched any of its predecessors, you might have found some originality in the story. I knew how it would end after the first scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,825 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 The colors! The music! The story! Gorgeous film that made me play on repeat a couple of scenes... If you love musicals (well, it's all sung) do yourself a favor and watch this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,336 Posted December 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2021 Knives Out Not my first time seeing this, a second watch. I found it held up immensely, I was just as entertained the second time as I was the first. And luckily even though I remembered the basic plot, I had forgotten all the details about it, so it was nice to experience all that again. The plot is superb, and all the actors do great jobs, and Nathan Johnson's score is perfect. Great film! It's on Prime Brónach, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Tallguy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I wish Craig had been allowed to have even half as much fun as Bond as he clearly was having in Knives Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Right? He's hilarious in Logan Lucky too Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 He was unintentionally hilarious, in CASINO ROYALE, too, while giving C.P.R. to Vespa. Open the fucking airway, you moron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Help! (1965) What a weird dumb random mess! I love it! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,381 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Holko said: Help! (1965) What a weird dumb random mess! I love it! Yeah, why does it seem easy to find Hard Days Night, but I've never been able to find Help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Because A Hard Day's Night is a great, historically important, classic film. Help! is a weird curio for committed fans. But given what a big market of committed fans there is, it is weird it doesn't get re-released and cashed in on as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 20 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: He was unintentionally hilarious, in CASINO ROYALE, too, while giving C.P.R. to Vespa. Open the fucking airway, you moron! I never noticed he was doing it wrong in that scene. The 'pokeynip' action that Green has going on during it is pretty distracting, in my defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Ho, ho. You, and your pokeynips, Sweep When Craig emerged from the sea, half the female audience in the cinema that I was in, gasped at his manhood. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 War Horse Beginning to think this story was made up the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,275 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 On 06/12/2021 at 2:35 PM, Tallguy said: Yeah, why does it seem easy to find Hard Days Night, but I've never been able to find Help? I didn't have any problems finding it on Bluray. Maybe it depends on the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,650 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: War Horse Beginning to think this story was made up the whole time. Right? I mean who grows radishes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Tom said: Right? I mean who grows radishes? In retrospect, it was suspicious when the author said "a horse told me" when asked where he got the story from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 11 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Ho, ho. You, and your pokeynips, Sweep When Craig emerged from the sea, half the female audience in the cinema that I was in, gasped at his manhood. He definitely has something going for him. Before he was famous he bedded one of the hottest Playboy Playmates of all- time: Marina Baker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,650 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: In retrospect, it was suspicious when the author said "a horse told me" when asked where he got the story from Ironically, the author of the Horse Whisperer claims he got the story from watching a documentary on WWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Dante's Peak I've never seen this one before and as the expansion isn't digitally available on yt I thought it might be a good way to approach this score. First about the movie. It's a very nice disaster movie, actually one of the best I've watched. It's surprisingly didn't aged that much when comparing to Volcano and is far superior to it too. Brosnan is fun in his half-scientist half-Bond character. Now about the music, it was simply gorgeous, Frizzell did another amazing work (I only know him for this and Resurrection) so I definitly need to checkup his discography Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: Now about the music, it was simply gorgeous, Frizzell did another amazing work (I only know him for this and Resurrection) so I definitly need to checkup his discography I also really enjoy the Resurrection and Dante's Peak scores, but sadly Frizzell is in the category of "showed early promise but never broke through" alongside people like Ed Shearmur and Cliff Eidelman. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 I miss the days when the broadcast TV used to show 90s disaster movies on Saturday's afternoons during the early 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I also really enjoy the Resurrection and Dante's Peak scores, but sadly Frizzell is in the category of "showed early promise but never broke through" alongside Ed Shearmur. I agree, I don't even know what Shearmur scored I would also add Elliot Goldenthal to this category who composed the amazing Alien3, Sphere, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin (never give much a try to Titus yet but it's apperently another great one) before disappearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,330 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I miss the days when the broadcast TV used to show 90s disaster movies on Saturday's afternoons during the early 2000s. Don't be sad, Edmilson, Emmerich's Moonfall will soon be out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: I would also add Elliot Goldenthal to this category who composed the amazing Alien3, Sphere, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin (never give much a try to Titus yet but it's apperently another great one) before disappearing I dunno, Goldenthal had such a glorious period in the 90s with a number of high profile classic scores, he's in a different category for me. He definitely broke through in a major way (I mean, he won an Oscar and had several nominations after all) but then soured on the industry and walked away voluntarily (this might be completely wrong, it's just the impression I got) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, AC1 said: Don't be sad, Edmilson, Emmerich's Moonfall will soon be out! The last good disaster movie Emmerich has done was The Day After Tomorrow (although I do have a soft spot for 2012). 1 hour ago, May the Force be with You said: I would also add Elliot Goldenthal to this category who composed the amazing Alien3, Sphere, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin (never give much a try to Titus yet but it's apperently another great one) before disappearing IIRC Goldenthal suffered a serious accident in the 2000s, which is one of the reasons he stopped doing big movies. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I also really enjoy the Resurrection and Dante's Peak scores, but sadly Frizzell is in the category of "showed early promise but never broke through" alongside people like Ed Shearmur and Cliff Eidelman. Indeed. Shearmur's score for WINGS OF THE DOVE is lush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 6 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: I don't even know what Shearmur scored At some point you simply have to listen to Sky Captain! Naïve Old Fart and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Indeed. Shearmur's score for WINGS OF THE DOVE is lush. I own COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO - excellent and $$$- and K- PAX. Good stuff! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Disco Stu said: At some point you simply have to listen to Sky Captain! If you like listeming to a RAIDERS clone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,349 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, bruce marshall said: If you like listeming to a RAIDERS clone... Sounds to me more like a Back to the Future clone. But that might have been already a Raiders clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Fyi COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO is available on Amazon for a very reasonable price. Grab it while you can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, bruce marshall said: If you like listeming to a RAIDERS clone... If you're going to clone, you might as well clone the very best Edmilson and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Fyi COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO is available on Amazon for a very reasonable price. Grab it while you can! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Raiders Of The Lost Ark - granted it's more a movie that's on telly at Christmas a lot rather than an actual Christmas movie (religious McGuffin-centric story notwithstanding), but ... 'tis the season for classic favourites, no? And 40 years on, this very much still is ... one of the finest action-adventures (outside of Bond) ever made, no less. The action (and score) still stir the blood, the gags still land, the amount of gore gotten away with in a PG-rated movie still surprises. Naïve Old Fart and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 @Sweeping Strings Did you know, Sweep, that I.L.M. had to superimpose flames over Belloq's exploding head, in order to get a PG rating? Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I feel the need to post this on the forum but don't want to make it a new thread. There is a Broadway adaptation of Mrs. Doubtfire opening and the makeup for the lead actor is truly horrific Spoiler Thinking about it make it my new avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: @Sweeping Strings Did you know, Sweep, that I.L.M. had to superimpose flames over Belloq's exploding head, in order to get a PG rating? Heh, I did not. Toht's melting face presumably just fine . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 We remember Temple of Doom as pushing the envelope of the PG rating, but actually Raiders was also deemed very violent for a PG film in its day and the edit flirted with the R rating... Sweeping Strings and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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