Edmilson 7,370 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 For me, it was the opposite: I found Angel Heart very scary, specially the ending, but Jacob's Ladder did nothing for me. I thought it was mosly boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Edmilson said: For me, it was the opposite: I found Angel Heart very scary, specially the ending You're going to burn for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Watching Radio Days for the 500th time. Perfect in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Angel Heart scared the living daylights out of me the first time I saw it. So much so that I hated it. Today, I think it's brilliant, dark, and still scary. Totally underappreciated, forgotten horror classic. Angel Heart is too much of a Mickey Rourke ride. Don't remember Jacob's Ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2023 THEATRICAL CUT I hadn't seen this for more than 20 years and I didn't remember much. A somewhat weak story-wise Star Trek film but very impressive nonetheless! The Jerry Goldsmith score is magnificent, especially in the first appearance of the Enterprise scene. A lesson to learn for today's filmmakers who are afraid of film music and want just a music rug underneath. ThePenitentMan1, Tom Guernsey, Andy and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,489 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 After 43 years, TMP is still my favourite Star Trek film. I doubt that anything will change that. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I prefer Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I prefer Star Wars. Me too really. 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: After 43 years, TMP is still my favourite Star Trek film. I doubt that anything will change that. More than Wrath of Khan? Strange... Jurassic Shark and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, filmmusic said: More than Wrath of Khan? Strange... Most people prefer The Wrath Of Kahn, it's more true to Star Trek. For some weird reason, ST: The Motion Picture wanted to be more like 2001: A Space Odyssey. Of course, just because it's slow doesn't mean they have achieved that goal. The AC1 unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,154 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, AC1 said: Most people prefer The Wrath Of Kahn, it's more true to Star Trek. For some weird reason, ST: The Motion Picture wanted to be more like 2001: A Space Odyssey. Of course, just because it's slow doesn't mean they have achieved that goal. TWOK is more true to Star Trek in budget and scope, but STTMP is close to classic Trek as far as the story goes (it's even based on discarded material for the cancelled phase 2 show, like much of STTNG's first season). What they added from 2001 were the scope and the expensive special effects (and the pacing). TWOK did become the model for the future Trek films (at least of the original universe), especially the better ones. Andy and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 By the way, I have purchased the 6 film 4k collection. I haven't seen 5 and 6, but I hear 5 is not good at all. We'll see.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,489 Posted January 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 hours ago, filmmusic said: Me too really. More than Wrath of Khan? Strange... It's a personal preference. 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: I hear 5 is not good at all. STAR TREK V is a lot better than most people will tell you. It has many faults, but, for all that, it is still a decent film. Three things about it stand out: 1/ it has some of the best cinematography of the entire series, 2/ the sound design is great, 3/ every Star Trek fan should be falling to their knees at Shatner's feet, thanking him for bringing back Jerry Goldsmith. Andy, filmmusic and Marian Schedenig 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,071 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I’ve always loved Trek V. It’s loaded with great character interactions with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. It feels like a big TOS episode with a Space God that the crew must react to. This was a very common Roddenberry theme. Although the visual effects are disappointing, the film is fun and has a lot of heart. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,154 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Andy said: It’s loaded with great character interactions with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Yes, for all its faults, it has some of the best character bits in the entire film series. Andy and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,277 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, Andy said: I’ve always loved Trek V. It’s loaded with great character interactions with Kirk, Spock and McCoy. It feels like a big TOS episode with a Space God that the crew must react to. This was a very common Roddenberry theme. Although the visual effects are disappointing, the film is fun and has a lot of heart. I've always really enjoyed it too and I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks it's more like the original series than almost any of the other movies. It's weird as people often dismiss it as not being like Star Trek (I am sure I read that Gene Roddenberry didn't consider it canon) but a madman looking for god and taking over the Enterprise?! There's at least one of those type of story (or elements thereof) in every Trek series from the original to the current crop. 2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: STAR TREK V is a lot better than most people will tell you. It has many faults, but, for all that, it is still a decent film. Three things about it stand out: 1/ it has some of the best cinematography of the entire series, 2/ the sound design is great, 3/ every Star Trek fan should be falling to their knees at Shatner's feet, thanking him for bringing back Jerry Goldsmith. Agreed on all three points, especially the last one. I've commented before but what the film lacks in awe and wonder (largely due to the dodgy effects, which aren't a patch on the rest of the films for well known reasons), Jerry does a great job in making you think you're seeing the Great Barrier or God or even just the wonderful reintroduction of the Enterprise (A Tall Ship) which is exactly what expanded releases are for, capturing those wonderful moments that weren't on the OST. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,489 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Yes, @Tom Guernsey, Roddenberry once described STAR TREK V as "apocryphal". When he was shown an almost-complete cut of VI, just before he died, Roddenberry said: "At least it's better than the last one". Another thing of note is Laurence Luckinbill. It would have been so easy to go over the top, with Sybok, but Luckinbill brings a great humanity, to the role. He really believes that he's on a mission from God. One of the themes of V was a response to - or, perhaps, piss-take of - all those televangelists, that were popular in the mid-to-late 80s (Roberts; Bakker, etc. The video for "Jesus He Knows Me" says much the same thing, but it's more explicit). The difference is that Sybok does think that he has been chosen, while the others always knew that what came out of their mouths was pure bullshit. Also, I'm a sucker for David Warner In the wake of the extended editions of TMP, II, and VI, Shatner went to Paramount to ask if he could re-cut V and add new special effects. He wanted one million dollars. Paramount refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,071 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: In the wake of the extended editions of TMP, II, and VI, Shatner went to Paramount to ask if he could re-cut V and add new special effects. He wanted one million dollars. Paramount refused. That’s a crying shame. $1M is a drop in the bucket. Love or hate him, Shatner is a Legend, and an elder of Trek Royalty. He is in the twilight of his years. Let him have his fun with his film to sell more copies to the delight of us Trekkies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: V was a response to - or, perhaps, piss-take of - all those televangelists, that were popular in the mid-to-late 80s (Roberts; Bakker, etc. The video for "I Can't Dance" says much the same thing, but it's more explicit). 1m11 You mean, Jesus He Knows Me? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,489 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 How on Earth could I mistake "I Can't Dance", for "Jesus He Knows Me"???!!!!! Thanks, dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Well, the first film is more impressive visually than this (and musically), but this has better character development and story. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 My sister's favorite ST film. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,489 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 @filmmusic, have you noticed that Regula One is just an upside down version of the structure that Kirk beams into, before Scotty takes him over to The Enterprise, in TMP? 3 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said: My sister's favorite ST film. It was, also, my late friend's favourite film, of all time. I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to watch it, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: @filmmusic, have you noticed that Regula One is just an upside down version of the structure that Kirk beams into, before Scotty takes him over to The Enterprise, in TMP? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: @filmmusic, have you noticed that Regula One is just an upside down version of the structure that Kirk beams into, before Scotty takes him over to The Enterprise, in TMP? Rumour has it the station will make an appearance in Picard Season 3 as well. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,334 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 The first wives club. Pretty good, although I definitely didn’t have as much fun at the end, but still had a great time. The women are fantastic. Victor Garber?! Aww, Mr Andrews… I miss him. Why did he have to die…? Auction scene also took too long. The score is quite nice, but something really weird happened during a dance sequence. I suddenly heard a different song coming through the headphones that I was wearing to hear the audio description. Is this some other licencing-related madness? Never heard of a movie where European and American audiences heard different source music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Victor Garber?! Aww, Mr Andrews… I miss him. Why did he have to die…? For a second I thought you meant Garber himself had died and I was like, how did miss that?! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,334 Posted January 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2023 I'm sorry that I didn't build you a stronger post, young Stu. LSH, Naïve Old Fart and Disco Stu 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I'm sorry that I didn't build you a stronger post, young Stu. JWfan will founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,334 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: JWfan will founder It's not a mathematical certainty until MM finally expands Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 This forum can’t sink! Naïve Old Fart and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick1Ø66 said: This forum can’t sink! She's made of code, sir! I assure you, she can. Naïve Old Fart and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 9 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: I've always really enjoyed it too and I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks it's more like the original series than almost any of the other movies. It's weird as people often dismiss it as not being like Star Trek (I am sure I read that Gene Roddenberry didn't consider it canon) but a madman looking for god and taking over the Enterprise?! There's at least one of those type of story (or elements thereof) in every Trek series from the original to the current crop. Agreed on all three points, especially the last one. I've commented before but what the film lacks in awe and wonder (largely due to the dodgy effects, which aren't a patch on the rest of the films for well known reasons), Jerry does a great job in making you think you're seeing the Great Barrier or God or even just the wonderful reintroduction of the Enterprise (A Tall Ship) which is exactly what expanded releases are for, capturing those wonderful moments that weren't on the OST. While I would say TPM is objectively the greater work, Star Trek V still remains my favorite Trek score. And I love it so much to the point I refuse to watch the film, precisely for the reasons you've stated, as I fear nothing in it will live up to the mystic grandeur the music conveys and I don't want to shatter the illusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2023 Theatrical cut So, I thoroughly enjoyed this, and I don't regret for a second I purchased this magnificent Arrow 4K release! But I have one question: Why no prince John in this version? I thought he was an integral part of the Robin Hood story. Tallguy, Naïve Old Fart and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,489 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 ALTERED STATES. Astonishing!!! I'm on my tea-break, but I'll post a longer review, asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I remember not being really impressed at the time ('80 -'81). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I always say I'll watch this movie (mainly due to the score which I'd like to hear in context), but something holds me. I think they're saying it's terrifying? I'm not sure, maybe I confuse it with another film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 28/01/2023 at 4:37 PM, filmmusic said: Well, the first film is more impressive visually than this (and musically), but this has better character development and story. My birthday movie. We watched it yesterday. I think I was more moved by this than I ever have been. Of the cast in the opening credits (including guest stars) only three remain. And I always cheer at James Horner's walk on. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,822 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Didn't care much for it. It felt like a TV movie to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 The one with the score that is actually superior to the audience favorite Tallguy and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2023 I. LOVE. STAR. TREK. III. A warm blanket movie for me. An old friend. It's always been my sentimental favorite over II. Faleel, Tallguy, Andy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 It is the cheapest of the Star Trek movies and there are lots of ways where this is where Star Trek went wrong. (They stopped being characters with jobs and became permanent roles instead.) And watching Kirstie Alley in Khan yesterday I realized what a unique and singular performance Saavik was and we would not see the like again. And for Nimoy's film directorial debut, I don't know what we can blame on his own inexperience, the studio, the budget, the film crew, or what. He grows up a lot in the next two years. But this is the first movie where the supporting players all got something to do. It introduces that damned Bird of Prey that is appearing in Star Trek even now. And it has another home run score. I love the score to... Well, all of them. But 1, 2, and 3 all in a row. Wow. Of all the expansions we got around 10 years ago, this was the most revelatory. 1 is a treasure, I like having all the notes from 2. But getting the balance of 3 almost makes it a different score. You get the glue that holds all the big set pieces together. Somewhat the same with Wrath of Khan with all of the Regula music, but there was much more mood and contour missing from 3. That timpani roll when the Enterprise explodes makes me catch my breath every time. Naïve Old Fart and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,071 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Somehow III is cheaply made, yet gorgeous to look at. There are some astonishing frames in the film. Eh, who am I kidding, I love all of them 1-6, and I’ll defend each and every one of them. Naïve Old Fart and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I. LOVE. STAR. TREK. III. A warm blanket movie for me. An old friend. It's always been my sentimental favorite over II. Genesis is planet forbidden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 GENESIS!!!???!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,489 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I. LOVE. STAR. TREK. III. A warm blanket movie for me. An old friend. It's always been my sentimental favorite over II. Agreed. It's my second favourite Star Trek film. Andy and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Aside from Star Trek V, which deserves its place at the bottom of the list, in terms of most to least favourite I rank the original cast films in release order. TMP is by far my favourite, and stands on its own in terms of both a Star Trek & science fiction film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3-2-4-1-6-5 I assumed 5 was the lowest grossing too but actually Nemesis managed to make less unadjusted! It made less money in 2002 dollars than Final Frontier made in 1989 dollars! Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,359 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1/2 (depends on the day) 4 3 6 5. 10 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said: GENESIS!!!???!? Abacab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said: GENESIS!!!???!? How can you be deaf with ears like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Chronicle (2012) The first hour is okay and gives you an idea of what it must be like to suddenly have superpowers but the film loses points with its over-the-top finale. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the source of inspiration for the finale of Snyder's Man Of Steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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