Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 Oh, Son. That wasn't your fault. That was mine. Naïve Old Fart, Lady Dimitrescu and Davis 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 Guys, you’re making me rewatch this movie, and I have seen it at least five times already. Jamie Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,375 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 1 hour ago, Davis said: Guys, you’re making me rewatch this movie, and I have seen it at least five times already. This is not the time to watch The Patriot. Watch Christmas films instead! Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 Like DIE HARD? Naïve Old Fart and filmmusic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,375 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 Not among my favorite musicals, but great nonetheless with some catchy songs. If it were me though, I probably would have given the best picture Oscar to Funny Girl or The Lion in Winter. (haven't seen Romeo and Juliet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,375 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 I'm halfway through, but honestly, can't go on (although I will). I persuaded myself to watch this again, so as not to have any unwatched blu-rays in my collection, but it's a mess of a film, one of the worst films by a major film director I've ever seen. It doesn't help that I'm not much of a fan of comedies. It is not saved by the John Williams score either. (I could watch Heartbeeps over this, any day) Anyway, I'll try to finish it, but it's a chore for me... Holko and Davis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 This film would've ended any other director's career. It's what happens when you become so successful that you can literally do whatever you want. It's what happened to Lucas when he made the prequels. Less is more, and it's evident in the case of 1941. It has some great scenes and an over-the-top JW score, but as you said, overall the movie is a mess. Luckily the industry - and Lucas - gave Spielberg another shot and he made Raiders under budget and under schedule. Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale, the screenwriters got another chance, too and went on to make a certain time-travelling sci-fi comedy. CT-7567 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,375 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 4 minutes ago, Davis said: This film would've ended any other director's career. I was thinking the exact same thing! How people in the industry gave Spielberg another chance, it's beyond me! (of course I'm glad they did, because he made afterwards among my favorite films of all time!) Davis and CT-7567 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 610 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 It is not that bad, I quite enjoy it. It is no masterpiece but it is entertaining (I like comedies). And I dont like the ide that one bad film = cancel. Especially a brilliant director as Spielberg who did do Jaws and Close Encounters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,375 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 2 minutes ago, Smaug The Iron said: Close Encounters oh, right. I forgot he did this before 1941. I thought he had only done Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 Spielberg made four great films in a row before 1941: Duel, The Sugarland Express, Jaws and Close Encounters. He and George Lucas were already the kings of Hollywood in the second half of the 70s. That’s why Spielberg’s career survived the box office flop of 1941. And he immediately got back on the success train afterwards thanks to the help of his pal Lucas who gave him Indiana Jones (originally Indiana Smith) as a sort of a consolation price for the failure of 1941. The rest is film history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,936 Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 Thing is, 1941 was not a box office flop. It made $95 million off a $35 million budget. It's just that it was such a comedown from his last two and also the production and critical reception overshadowed everything that the whole thing was perceived as a disaster. People put it in this box of giant follies by major directors but it was never close to Heaven's Gate ($3.5 million gross off a $44 million budget) or One From the Heart ($0.64 million gross off a $26 million budget.) Also even though Jaws and CE3K were hugely profitable, they still contributed to a wariness of Spielberg in the industry that he couldn't really be trusted because they also had troublesome productions. I remember in the McBride biography that Lucas and Spielberg had to pitch Raiders to several studios and couldn't get enough interest. Once it was ready to go, I know Spielberg has said he felt a lot of pressure to be efficient and responsible on Raiders, not just for his own sake but this time he would be creating problems for George. It seemingly affected his whole M.O. after that, ever since he's been known as the guy who gets amazing things done underschedule and underbudget. He didn't direct a movie that cost as much as 1941 until Last Crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 1941 is lackluster but I'd still toss that one on rather than anything he's done since 2005. Those are a real chore to get through. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,936 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 The Post is the only one that I thought was totally by the numbers. Usually when he turns something around that quickly he's way more inspired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,828 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 6 hours ago, mrbellamy said: It seemingly affected his whole M.O. after that, ever since he's been known as the guy who gets amazing things done underschedule and underbudget. I also read somewhere that while he was good with actors, he didn't treat his crews very well until KK put her foot down for them during ET. I guess maybe a leftover from the TV days where he worked with many crews under a lot of time pressure? But that could've helped "fix" his reputation and make productions go more smoothly too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 11 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Thing is, 1941 was not a box office flop. Only a critical flop, yes. People went to see it because of the success of Jaws and CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,666 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 26 minutes ago, Davis said: Only a critical flop, yes. People went to see it because of the success of Jaws and CE3K. While I did went to see CE3K, I don't remember that I watched 1941 in the theater. I do remember a newspaper article that described it as the first failure from wunderkind Spielberg. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT-7567 119 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 . 1 hour ago, Davis said: Only a critical flop, yes. People went to see it because of the success of Jaws and CE3K. Ah, if that was after Jaws, it makes sense that 1941 didn´t ended Spielberg´s career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 It was after CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lady Dimitrescu 9,170 Posted November 25, 2024 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2024 1941 was decades before Jaws. mrbellamy, Tallguy, CT-7567 and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bespinGPT 8,952 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 1 hour ago, The Train Station said: 1941 was decades before Jaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 3 hours ago, The Train Station said: 1941 was decades before Jaws. The Hungarian title of 1941 is The Naked and the Fools. filmmusic and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Lady Dimitrescu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lady Dimitrescu 9,170 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Yew're tew slow, old man Jamie Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,853 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Can you learn to see in the dark, Captain? Jamie Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 The honor was mine, Captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,853 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 I don't get all this hatred, for NEMESIS. I think it's a perfectly good film. Jamie Dutton and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 It rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Forever Young (Héroes, 2010, dir.: Pau Freixas) 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,712 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 4 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I don't get all this hatred, for NEMESIS. I think it's a perfectly good film. Definitely a step up from Insurrection's 'extended TV episode' feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,875 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 They're both Star Trek... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,712 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Yes, but some feel more 'cinematic' than others wouldn't you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,170 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 He doesn't even like Star Trek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 Davis and filmmusic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,170 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 I've had worse Jamie Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meredith McKay 7,149 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 You know how to get great shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 Meredith McKay and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,170 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 I'll be seeing you again Jamie Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,443 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 The Last Boy Scout (1991, dir.: Tony Scott) 8/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,666 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 Was 7/10, but after rewatching it's 6/10. Was 7/10, and after rewatching, it's still 7/10. Sadly, because JWFan & Co hated it (for being too DC), there will be no sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,375 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 John Frankenheimer has done some exceptional films that I've seen (The Manchurian Candidate, Seconds), some very good ones (Black Sunday, The French Connection II), but this is not one of them. Set at Christmas time, it feels like a long TV episode of Miami Vice or I don't know what cop TV series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,875 Posted November 27, 2024 Share Posted November 27, 2024 Ah, John Donson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT-7567 119 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 I want a Expresso now, as excellent as the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,595 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 10 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Ah, John Donson. He was in many movies scored by William Johns. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 6,082 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 18 hours ago, A24 said: Sadly, because JWFan & Co hated it (for being too DC), there will be no sequel. Happy to be of service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,170 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 Why do superhero movies always need a sequel? Can't they ever just be a cool little self-contained movie? Davis and Jamie Dutton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted November 28, 2024 Share Posted November 28, 2024 Like The Rocketeer LSH and Davis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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