Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 He's Gay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,178 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Lifetime flicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,667 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 28 Weeks Later (2007) First half is okay, second half is really, really bad. My advice is to stick to 28 Days Later. A24 - Ready for 28 Years Later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7/10 - It’s a variation to Bradbury’s FAHRENHEIT 451, combined with some Matrixy clothings. I would rank it lower if the original idea wasn’t so important: Individuality, diversity and empathy are the most important things that make us human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,865 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I saw EQUILIBRIUM recently, and I agree with everything that you say, @Davis. I'd add that I also got a 1984 vibe. I liked the film, but it needed far more characterization. A longer running length (say 130 minutes as opposed to 107 minutes) would have helped to develop themes and backgrounds. I really wanted to care about the people involved, but, despite its impressive design and look, I found myself observing rather than participating in the narrative. 5/10 Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: I'd add that I also got a 1984 vibe. I liked the film, but it needed far more characterization. You’re right. I forgot to mention 1984, but honestly almost every dystopian film depicts an orwellian totalitarian world. This film is 100% influenced by 1984 just like by Fahrenheit 451. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,178 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Darker, scarier, disturbinger, more evil than its Hollywood remake. Let this movie be a lesson to you spineless, obsequious people-pleasers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 hours ago, The Train Station said: Lifetime flicks For modern more sophisticated JWFan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,381 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Viewed from a 35mm scan (and not that Fincher's 4k nonsense with his little fixes). Haven't watched this since the VHS! I don't know why. Masterpiece of course! About the score: this was too atmospheric for my taste and went almost unnoticed in the course of the film (except the gut-wrenching finale) and I think that Shore's more thematic work on Silence of the Lambs, is much much better! Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,667 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Hmm, so Seven is a masterpiece ... with a mediocre score? I guess the function of a score doesn't matter then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,381 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, A24 said: Hmm, so Seven is a masterpiece ... with a mediocre score? I guess the function of a score doesn't matter then! For me, it doesn't have to be all the elements of the film are masterpieces, for a film to be overall a masterpiece.. Davis and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,667 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Strange but okay. I would say that in order for a film to be a masterpiece the score is very important. A score can be perfect for a movie without screaming for the viewer's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I disagree. If a film is great and becomes a classic, the score, even if it's not that good, will be elevated and loved. And vice versa. The Last Starfighter's score is great, the film wasn't well received, but became a cult classic and the score played a large part. So no, SEVEN would be a masterpiece even without music, but Shore's music would've been forgotten if he had written it as a concert piece. I don't remember anything from it, and I've seen the film countless times. Great score that works well in the film, but as a standalone piece it is almost meaningless. I don't mean to offend fans of the score. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,667 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 At least I now know why you guys hand out 10/10 scores so easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 SEVEN is absolutely 10/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,381 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Does anyone agree with me on The Silence of the Lambs score being better than Seven? (maybe I need to do a poll about that. Same composer, similar genre films) Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The SotL score is much more melodic than Seven. It actually tells the story musically, while Seven's score is much more atonal and all it does 90% of the time is it scares the living shit out of the audience. Fun fact: I used to think that the music during the opening credits was part of the score, and to my big disappointment I found out after I had bought the OST that it was by NIN and wasn't even on the CD. That's the only piece of music I remember outside of the heavenly AIR by Bach of course. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,381 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, Davis said: Fun fact: I used to think that the music during the opening credits was part of the score, and to my big disappointment I found out after I had bought the OST that it was by NIN and wasn't even on the CD. That's the only piece of music I remember outside of the heavenly AIR by Bach of course. Oh, glad that you confirmed it's not by Shore. I didn't like it.. Also, I think using a song for the end credits of such a movie, wasn't a good idea.. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,667 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I know I'm not making myself popular by saying this but in my view Gladiator lost one point because of Zimmer's score. Who's with me?! GerateWohl and filmmusic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,375 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 A film can be great even without a score. If the film has a score then, of course, the quality of the score will affect that of the film, but that doesn’t mean that the score has to be great in order for the film to be so (or vice versa). In the case of Seven, I think that the score is great (as far as film scores go) and that it is a key part of the film’s brilliance. I can imagine the film being brilliant with a different score, but can also imagine it falling short. I’m inclined to vote for it (over The Silence of the Lambs), on account of its scintillating, single-minded intensity. Davis and filmmusic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,667 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Glóin the Dark said: A film can be great even without a score. Of course, but I'm inclined to think that no score is kinda the same as: If you do nothing, nothing can go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,375 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, A24 said: ...no score is kinda the same as: If you do nothing, nothing can go wrong. I don’t think that having no score is a “safe” choice, in general. Besides, cinema is a medium with several different aspects, and I think we should embrace the prerogative of film-makers to utilise different combinations of them, and with differing priorities. Variety is good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,865 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 This is rumour control, here are the facts. SE7EN is a modern masterpiece, and being as it is, among the best films of the past 30 years, it thoroughly deserves its 10/10 status. It epitomises everything that represents Fincher as a filmmaker. As for the score, it does what any score is required to do: it supports the film, and it does it well. Like others here, I can't remember much about the score - with the exception of the nail-on-a-blackboard main titles (which I'm pretty sure are by Nine Inch Nails), and the discordant, monolithic sheets of music at the film's climax... oh, yeah, and the masterful inclusion of "The Heart's Filthy Lesson" - but that doesn't mean to say that it's bad. SE7EN is a brilliant film, so let's have no more of this nonsense. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,410 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, A24 said: Strange but okay. I would say that in order for a film to be a masterpiece the score is very important. A score can be perfect for a movie without screaming for the viewer's attention. But there are brilliant movies which don't have any score. Then what? Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,375 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, filmmusic said: …his little fixes. What sort of things are these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,381 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Glóin the Dark said: What sort of things are these? added doors, lit lights, added clouds (see below and left click to see the change), change of camera movement, etc etc. https://slow.pics/c/IstruBWw?canvas-mode=fit-width Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 9,463 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, A24 said: I know I'm not making myself popular by saying this but in my view Gladiator lost one point because of Zimmer's score. Who's with me?! I wouldn't give it all that many points to begin with, but yes, I'd deduct a point for the score. On a more general note, a great score can elevate a film, but a film can be great even with a score which I don't think does all to much for it (perhaps it could even be greater with a different score, or perhaps it's a kind of film where I can't imagine any score making a big difference (unless it feels completely out of place)). And a score can certainly be a very good fit for a film without necessarily being as good on a musical level as other scores that wouldn't fit the film so well. As for Lambs vs Se7en, I wouldn't even know how to rank the scores. They're certainly both very brooding, and not particularly memorable. But I do think that the scene where the score has the biggest, most memorable impact in both films is the Box scene in Se7en. Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,178 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Seven is a slightly above average police procedural thriller. A cinematic CSI ep. filmmusic and Davis 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 9,605 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 It was pretty dark and disturbing for the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,178 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Not as dark and disturbing as the ending to Speak No Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, The Train Station said: Seven is a slightly above average police procedural thriller. A cinematic CSI ep. I watched it once and wasn't really impressed by it. Fincher I know as a style over substance music video director. Janie's Got a Gun was a cool video. Field of Dreams. Now that's a great flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,178 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Nobody makes whimsical feel-good movies like that anymore. People are too jaded and filmmakers have no soul anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Fincher movies are dark, disturbing, violent and nihilistic. Yawn! That's so passé. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,375 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Jamie Dutton said: …style over substance… How would you describe what constitutes substance? Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,178 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 It creates a younger version of yourself, but you are one. Glóin the Dark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,375 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Walked into that one… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I haven't seen that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,178 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Edmilson said: It was pretty dark and disturbing for the 90s. It is even more so now. It has a timeless quality to it. This film elevated the crime thriller genre to a degree that cannot be topped, only copied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,667 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I wouldn't give it all that many points to begin with, but yes, I'd deduct a point for the score. On a more general note, a great score can elevate a film, but a film can be great even with a score which I don't think does all to much for it (perhaps it could even be greater with a different score, or perhaps it's a kind of film where I can't imagine any score making a big difference (unless it feels completely out of place)). And a score can certainly be a very good fit for a film without necessarily being as good on a musical level as other scores that wouldn't fit the film so well. As for Lambs vs Se7en, I wouldn't even know how to rank the scores. They're certainly both very brooding, and not particularly memorable. But I do think that the scene where the score has the biggest, most memorable impact in both films is the Box scene in Se7en. Let me explain what I meant to say. When I watch a movie and I'm like "Hmm, this score is not really helping the movie all that much, I wish it was more like this or like that", then I don't think I'm dealing with a 10/10 movie. Of course, I'm not really a soundtrack fan (I just happen to be impressed with John Williams) so maybe I'm seeing things in a different light then you true film score afficionados. To me it's not really about the score itself but about the score in relationship to the film. If a score happens to be inconspicuous, atmospheric, no music at all, or the same piano note over and over again (Eyes Wide Shut), then yes, it might sound boring as a stand-alone listening experience, but if the music is successfully assisting the scene it is created for, then that to me is all that matters. The score is just one of the many parts that make up of movie, and you know what they say, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Vincent D’Onofrio proved in THE CELL that he can be crazy as f, and now he does it again. - 7/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Eva Green... what a Woman. Not a bad film at all. 7/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,712 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 11/01/2025 at 6:58 PM, Naïve Old Fart said: It never is. There are so many films that I wish I could see for the first time. The question is: if I saw them now rather than when I first saw them, what would my reaction be? Multiple viewings of films allow the viewer to take a "deep dive" into the narrative, and the film as a piece of art. I know a fella who's a hypnotherapist. A client asked him to make him forget the original Star Wars trilogy so he could experience seeing them for what to him would seem like the first time. Pretty cool. Davis and filmmusic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,865 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Yes, @Sweeping Strings, but was he an "evil hypnotist"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 These aren't the films you watched. Move along. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,712 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Yes, @Sweeping Strings, but was he an "evil hypnotist"? He was amused by my suggestion that this could be a lucrative road of his profession to go down, as I was sure many people would pay good money to be made to forget Jar-Jar. Naïve Old Fart and Davis 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis 3,467 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I would pay good money if I could forget everything Star Wars after 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,896 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Even the music? On 12/01/2025 at 5:17 AM, Andy said: They have to work together to find homes for the kittens. But they're all dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,381 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 32 minutes ago, Davis said: I would pay good money if I could forget everything Star Wars after 2012. Ι'd also like to forget Indy 4 and 5, and every sequel done more than a decade after the original movie! Davis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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