publicist 4,643 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 What's recycled? They're bringing back a franchise which has been dead and buried for 30 years.And maybe best left there...that is, if you don't have a new story to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Guardians Of The GalaxyJames Gunn gets a lot right. The 5 main characters are all excellent, and the galaxy he puts them in looks and feeels vibrant and diverse. The style of a lot of the movie is just right. A self aware Firefly feels with good songs. It's a really entertaining film.But....Look at the cast list apart from the leads. Del Toro, Glenn Close, John C. Reilly, Djimon Hounsou, Peter Seravinovich, Karen Gillan, Lee Pace, Micheal Rooker., Josh Brolin...This film propbably has the most talented and diverse cast roster of any Marvel film, yet with the exception of Rooker, who is fun to watch as a blue alien with an apalachian accent, and actually creates a character you remember afterwards this stuinning cast really is largely wasted.Close, Reilly and Seravinivich play what I assume are beloved cvharacters in the comics, but leave little to no impression ther then the fact that that they are played by actors that I have heard of. One character dikes and it has ni impact. Theere a shot of another of these characters hugging his wife and child and I just wondered why that shot was even in there. There is nothing in the film that allowed me to invest emotionally in them.Anoither flaw is the plot. which features a war between two civilizations that has lasted for a thousand years, the Kree and the Xandar. Neither of these cultures is developed in any way. So by the time the big battle to save Xandar starts (after only about 1 hour and 20 minutes, sadly) I havent been given a reason to be invested in it. Xandar btw, looks like a huge, squeaky clean shopping center. At some point Guardians Of The Galaxy decide it;'s important to save this planet. I could not really figure out why.Also, the usual dull Marvel villain, there are several. Rhona, Nebula, Thanos etc.Pace is a good actor who dissapeared under the make-up. I think they got the tone wrong. His character makes several declamatory speeches about the war lasting 1000 years and Xandar being responsible for the death of his father, his fathers father and his fathers father's father etc. I wonder if this was supposed to be intended as comical, but for some reason it comes off as a dull sci-fi fantasy cliche. The villain in this movie just come off as being very angry and screaming a lot. Again. Michael Rooker is the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,356 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I did like you and watched these a couple of months ago. I like the second and third Mad Max the most. The first one was a bit weird.Fury Road is the second most anticipated flick this year for me, after Star Wars. The trailer makes it look awesome as hell. Real live action stunt work. Bless Miller for not going CGI ! Yep, apparently it was a tough shoot due to being done for real. On a similar note, it's been nice to see behind-the-scenes pics from The Force Awakens of actors being filmed on actual sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So given that I can't go see Song of the Sea, which was released here last Friday, because film distribution here sucks on several levels, I'm going to go see the Mad Max 1 and 2 re-release. Never seen those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Alien. Still nothing better than this. Got to watch it on BR for the first time, and was blown away. I never imagined this film, from the days of the grainy 70s cinema, could be enhanced to this level. I could read the tiny numbers between the lights on the wall in Mother's womb. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Yup - the Alien Anthology Blu Ray box set is amazing. I too was blown away by how good both Alien and Aliens looked. The best BR set in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Really? I was shocked how bad Aliens looked after Alien. Alien looks like an frigging art movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I was amazed they were able to make Aliens look so good; they found the exact right balance between leaving it grainy and DNRing it to death. It's still grainy, but not too grainy like the old DVDs - it's much cleaner looking, but not like what Fox did to Predator. It's perfect. The film was never intended to look like Alien. Two radically different visual styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Yup - the Alien Anthology Blu Ray box set is amazing. I too was blown away by how good both Alien and Aliens looked. The best BR set in my collection.If Aliens hadn't been tealed to death and kept the original colors, it would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 No. Thanks to teal tint it looks more modern and cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Either one of those images looks fine to me *shrug* Is there a website with a lot of comparison shots I can look at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I remember that 80's obsession with reddish color schemes. Really screwed up flesh tones and made everyone look like longtime alcoholics.Glad to see that was corrected for Aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Either one of those images looks fine to me *shrug*Is there a website with a lot of comparison shots I can look at?http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=5207&disc2=5208&hd_multiID=2128#auswahl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 No. Thanks to teal tint it looks more modern and cool!I don't want to see a modern Aliens, as I don't want to see a modern E.T. (thank God this wasn't tealed!!), Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones etc.I want to see the 1986 Aliens. Thanks.Either one of those images looks fine to me *shrug*Is there a website with a lot of comparison shots I can look at?http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=5207&disc2=5208&hd_multiID=2128#auswahljust pick a screenshot, then click 1920x1080 Fullscreen Comparison and move the cursor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I remember that 80's obsession with reddish color schemes. Really screwed up flesh tones and made everyone look like longtime alcoholics.Glad to see that was corrected for Aliens.The teal is not the original color either!It was revised by Cameron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Filmmusic, Alvar.What if 10 or 20 years from now studios rerelease films from the last 5 years on home video, and they color correct the teal and orange because its no longer fashionable.Will you guys object? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 No. Thanks to teal tint it looks more modern and cool!I don't want to see a modern Aliens, as I don't want to see a modern E.T., Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones etc.I want to see the 1986 Aliens. Thanks.Then create a time machine and go live in the past!Maybe you want to colorise the Black and White films and make them 3d too?They are so old fashioned now, and don't keep up with current technology! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 After visiting that Aliens comparison page, the blu ray still looks better to me *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Filmmusic may oneday complain that they messed up the colors on Transformers 4, that it doesn't look like how it did when Bay released it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Filmmusic, Alvar.What if 10 or 20 years from now studios rerelease films from the last 5 years on home video, and they color correct the teal and orange because its no longer fashionable.Will you guys object?I'm absolutely SURE that this will happen!Teal is just in fashion now, and in 10 years another color will be in fashion, and all films will be "restored" to that palette!I just want the original color palette! As it is on the negative!By the way, here's a teal montage I had made some time ago, to show that this is not directors' intentions, but just a current trend: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Negative?What do you mean? As it was shot?All films are colorgraded, and have been for many decades. That didn't start with LOTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The latest trend in color grading is called 'Blockbuster Blue'.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 By the way, here's a teal montage I had made some time ago, to show that this is not directors' intentions, but just a current trend:How does your montage proves that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Directors follow current trends. They are inspired by what they see their colleagues doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 By the way, here's a teal montage I had made some time ago, to show that this is not directors' intentions, but just a current trend:How does your montage proves that?These are all films from different eras and places.Their respective directors couldn't ALL have the exact same intentions from the beginning to make their films teal!All these come from films that were "restored" in the last 7-8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Their respective directors couldn't ALL have the exact same intentions from the beginning to make their films teal!How exactly do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Negative?What do you mean? As it was shot?All films are colorgraded, and have been for many decades. That didn't start with LOTRI mean the original 35mm (or 70mm) negative, from which they made the various film prints to show at the theaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Have you seen those negatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Their respective directors couldn't ALL have the exact same intentions from the beginning to make their films teal!How exactly do you know that?By pure logic..Have you seen those negatives?I don't have to see them.For starters, Cameron said himself that they revised the colors.This is an interesting article that is relevant to our talk here:http://notonbluray.com/blog/orange-and-teal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I agree with Jason that they did a great job dealing with Aliens excessive grain (it's always had a very noisy picture) without making everything look like a waxwork.I'm less fussed about color corrections to make the film look crisper. By pure logic..Logic...logic...logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Filmmusis. Not the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It looks more modern and cool, so I don't see what's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I believe Alien looks different as well. Blade Runner The Final Cut definitely looks different.It looks more modern and cool, so I don't see what's the problem.Some say it's like Lucassing the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Some people just don't like progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Would the WorkPrint version of Blade Runner be the best place to see what the originally intended colors are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It really isn't the job of home video to be truly archival.A home video release has to be presented in such a way that it will look good on a staggeringly large amount of different screens from different manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Would the WorkPrint version of Blade Runner be the best place to see what the originally intended colors are?why not try the original theatrical cut?http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_comparison.php?disc1=5714&disc2=5715&cap1=53544&cap2=53596&art=full&image=1&hd_multiID=2331&action=1&lossless=#vergleichI agree with Jason that they did a great job dealing with Aliens excessive grain (it's always had a very noisy picture) without making everything look like a waxwork.I'm less fussed about color corrections to make the film look crisper.From what i remember you are fussed about new audio mixes and you prefer always the original.It's strange that you don't feel that way too about radical color changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,348 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I guess I'm just not as arsed about all this color stuff as some of you guys are I just pop the movie in, press play, and watch the damn thing without fussing over all this stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Would the WorkPrint version of Blade Runner be the best place to see what the originally intended colors are?A workprint is not yet color graded, Jay. Color grading the the very last step in post production.BTW, Scott says Blade Runner was never properly color graded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 If there is a new score release for Jaws or Star Wars I would like it to sound a bit better and clearer and crisper then previous releases.I don't want a release that sounds exactly the same as it did in the 70's.Technology has moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I guess I'm just not as arsed about all this color stuff as some of you guys areI just pop the movie in, press play, and watch the damn thing without fussing over all this stuffwell, especially in movies I have seen multiple times and i love, i want to see them in HD as I remember them and as they are.how do you feel about audio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Can a movie even look absolutely identical on a TV screen to what it looked like in the cinema?Most movies on TV looks sharper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 If there is a new score release for Jaws or Star Wars I would like it to sound a bit better and clearer and crisper then previous releases.I don't want a release that sounds exactly the same as it did in the 70's.Technology has moved on.This is different!Changing the colors in a film, is like changing the orchestration in a film score.Not like making the sound better and clearer.This would be equivalent to a DVD being updated to a Bluray, but with the same colors retained! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Wrong. Technically remixing a score is far more similar to color adjustment then changing the orchestrations.Then you would be changing the actual music, not the recording of the music.With color grading, DNR you aren't changing the content of the film, just the appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Wrong. Technically remixing a score is far more similar to color adjustment then changing the orchestrations.Then you would be changing the actual music, not the recording of the music. I disagree. Orchestration is musical colors. So changing the colors in a film, is like changing the colors (=the instruments) in the music.And yes, it's exactly as you said it "With color grading, DNR you aren't changing the content of the film, just the appearance."Same with the orchestration.If you play a piece in an orchestra or in the piano, the content doesn't change. The music (melody, harmonies etc.) is the same.The appearance changes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 In the end, they're still playing the same melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Changing orchestrations is not something you can do years after the score was recorded.You clearly don't have a good grasp on the technical side of this.So its fine to remix a score for a new release, so it sounds better, which is the labels (LLL, Intrada, Varse etc) do all the time. But to adjust the colors or do anything about the grain of a film is sacrilige? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,826 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Changing orchestrations is not something you can do years after the score was recorded.I didn't say otherwise.Although you can do it, if you re-record the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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