Jurassic Shark 12,023 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Hey, it would be an improvement over Jerry playing with his organ on the discord! So do you play any JW on the piano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 No I sold my baby grand a few years ago. I could not play John well Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I watched BRAVEHEART, once, a few years ago. I have no plans to watch it, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 * No actual suggestion of violence intended.* Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Nothing wrong with accordions! Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Richard said: I have no plans to watch it, again. Same here but I might watch Apocalypse again, if only for the offering scene, which was a real nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Alexcremers said: Same here but I might watch Apocalypse again, if only for the offering scene, which was a real nightmare. X-Men: Apocalypse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I think that Alex might mean APOCALYPTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Yes, that's the one. Have you guys seen it? What did you think of the offering scene (on the pyramid)? If this happened in a nightmare, that's the moment I would wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,023 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 X-Men: Apocalypto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I thought Alex only liked the first one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,023 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I don't like any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Have you guys seen it? What did you think of the offering scene (on the pyramid)? If this happened in a nightmare, that's the moment I would wake up. I really like Apocalypto. Its beat Fury Road to the punch, and its exquisitely well-photographed. Its extraordinarily violent, though. Doesn't have the sweeping romanticism of Braveheart, though. ****1/2 out of ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 57 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I thought Alex only liked the first one? I liked the first one. Then, when the second one came out, I liked the second one better. Years later, I watched both movies again, and I discovered I actually prefer the first one. The second is where things become melodramatic. 33 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I really like Apocalypto. Its beat Fury Road to the punch, and its exquisitely well-photographed. Its extraordinarily violent, though. Doesn't have the sweeping romanticism of Braveheart, though. ****1/2 out of ***** I didn't like the way the Braveheart character was romanticized, like he was Robin Hood or something. I felt the film forced people to like him. He was likeable in a way you would like a beaten dog, but I don't like dogs (beaten or not). I like cats. Braveheart isn't a cat. In Apocalypto, the main character is more like a tiger, a jaguar, being hunted by dogs. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 But at the same time, his barbarity isn't sanized. The depiction of all the deaths caused by the hands of the English range from the purely suggested (Murron, William) to the visually tame (Campbell). Rather, its the deaths that William and his compatriots cause which are the most gory, and are - more than once - enacted upon the unarmed. The death of the English lord in particular has this long beat after it, which makes the violence of it stand out all the more. Its not that black-and-white, you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chen G. said: But at the same time, his barbarity isn't sanized. The depiction of all the deaths caused by the hands of the English range from the suggested (Murron, William) to the visually tame (Campbell). Rather, its the deaths that William and his compatriots cause which are the most gory, and are - more than once - enacted upon the unarmed. Its not that black-and-white, you see. But wasn't his barbarity justified? You know, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? It's not like he randomly kills his own men to spread fear and to gain respect. At no time did I feel the film wanted me to question Braveheart's actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,023 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 It's OK when it's done to the English suppressors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: But wasn't his barbarity justified? You know, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? It's not like he randomly kills his own men to spread fear and to gain respect. Nowhere did I feel the film wanted me to question Braveheart's actions. It doesn't go all the way in that regard, true: it doesn't comment on the subject. But I do appreciate that it at least casts the hero's actions in a confronting light, as it were. Its more than enough. You wouldn't see a hero in a film today kill the unarmed - however deserving they are. In Braveheart, however: In Mornay's case its especially noteworthy because - for the entire buildup to the kill - Gibson quite literally puts us in his point-of-view, rather than William's. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Fabulin said: I had the impression that the film does nothing to elicit sympathy for this over-the-top barbarian. Not even when he killed all these monstrous rapists, which is how all the English are portrayed here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,023 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Perhaps they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: all these monstrous rapists, which is how all the English are portrayed here? again, not too far removed from several historical examples. Its not as simplistic to the human condition as some would have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 How is the portrayal of all the English as monstrous rapists not a simplistic view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,943 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Leaving aside the application of this attribute to the English of the 11th Century (because a narrative film needn't be bound to historical accuracy) and looking at this more broadly, its hardly unheard of for large groups of people to act in an utterly inhumane manner. Were 20th century Nazis, Fascists or Communists any better than this? What of the Mongols in the 14th Century? or the Huns, earlier? Mankind is capable of unbeliveable cruelty. Braveheart simply applies this behavior to another time and period in history, and presents it unapologetically. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Fire the house and barns. Let it be known if you harbour the enemy, you will lose your home. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 It's kind of cute how he constantly rationalizes this simplistic stuff as somehow deep and meaningful, if just viewed through a cross-eyed lens. Chen, fucking accept this: it's totally OK to dig fucking Braveheart (or Bad Boys II, for that matter), it's not OK to constantly act like all the triviality in them is part of a mystic bigger truth. Brundlefly, KK and Fabulin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,023 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Rape has been used as a weapon in war for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 20 hours ago, Jay said: Oh my god you're right! They've directed 7 movies and 5 out of the 7 feature this concept - only BOUND and SPEED RACER do not! How weird is that? Who knows what’s in that milk they’re drinking in Speed Racer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Yea, agree with pub on this one. Braveheart isn't some masterful thesis on the human condition. It's well-made entertainment. There's also nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 The violence is comical in its excess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Koray Savas said: The violence is comical in its excess. Mel is very Verhoeven like in that. Both devout Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Verhoeven an ultra Catholic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Is that a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Verhoeven an ultra Catholic? He's a devout Catholic. He's written a book about Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Judging from the actual content of the book, I don't think he's a Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Yes he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 But Verhoeven says he's not the son of God, but a political leader. The book demystifies the Catholic version of Jesus, the one who performed miracles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I'm having difficulty finding information that confirms or denies the claim of his faith or religious denomination, let alone an adherence to Catholicism. I found this quote though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 So this question is for anyone. What is the last film you didn't watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: But Verhoeven says he's not the son of God, but a political leader. The book demystifies the Catholic version of Jesus, the one who performed miracles. Catholics can't be critical of his religion? Haven't you ever heard Scorcese talk about his faith? Verhoeven has a lot of catholic themes and imagery in his films. Guilt is often a theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,218 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Borodin said: What is the last film you didn't watch? Beverly Hills Cop III. I didn't watch it just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 If Verhoeven believes that Jesus wasn't the son of God, rather a political figure, that's not a mere criticism of the religion, it's an outright rejection of the founding doctrine of Christianity as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,498 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I dunno, christianity itself is doing a great job of rejecting the beliefs of its main founder celebrity guy with its pure existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I didn't just watch In The Mouth of Madness. But if I had just watched it, I'd be pondering over the cool fantasy themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: Catholics can't be critical of his religion? Haven't you ever heard Scorcese talk about his faith? Verhoeven has a lot of catholic themes and imagery in his films. Guilt is often a theme Critical? A book that goes completely against what the church is preaching is not critical but sacrilege. He's a fan of Jesus, the man, the political leader. That doesn't make him a devour Catholic. He actually looks at it from a scientific point of view. Mel Gibson is a true devour Catholic, one that believes every word of the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Sounds more like he views Jesus from the perspective of an academic theologian than a devotion of faith. That's a fundamental difference. A24 and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Verhoeven is a member of the Jesus Seminar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Like I said, he's fascinated by Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 RoboCop = Jesus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 hours ago, publicist said: It's kind of cute how he constantly rationalizes this simplistic stuff as somehow deep and meaningful. [...] It's not OK to constantly act like all the triviality in them is part of a mystic bigger truth. When I read those lines, I had to think of "Werk ohne Autor". Have you seen it? Has anybody else seen it? It's so bad, the english title, "Never Look Away", even tries to force the audience to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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