Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 These recordings would have been a great follow-up project for Intrada after their Ava collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 17 hours ago, Stu said: Yes three. 1963, 1976, 1997. The ‘97 is my preferred. He forgot to record it in the 80s then. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 20 hours ago, Stu said: As I’ve probably said many times before Mockingbird is my #1 non-Williams film score of all time I mean if you're talking about the film score itself and not one of the three album recordings, it isn't non-Williams at all! That's him playing piano right away in the main title! 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, I just remembered that box. One of the labels should make these recordings available on CD again. Probably unlikely...Lukas gave some details at the time of how complicated that box was to make happen, and in the end though limited to 2000 copies it had to be put on sale multiple times to sell out. https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/cdID/366/ Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,294 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Is it known why the original film recording of To Kill a Mockingbird has never been released on an album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Probably unlikely...Lukas gave some details at the time of how complicated that box was to make happen, and in the end though limited to 2000 copies it had to be put on sale multiple times to sell out. https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/cdID/366/ That's probably because the box was very expensive. They should release the scores individually or in small box sets - they could test the market with the most popular titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I mean if you're talking about the film score itself and not one of the three album recordings, it isn't non-Williams at all! That's him playing piano right away in the main title! I meant not composed by Williams of course. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jay said: Is it known why the original film recording of To Kill a Mockingbird has never been released on an album? Vaguely. Intrada was all set to do it (they had a program and it was going to be in their Universal branded line at the time… maybe notes had even been written already?) And I think Roger shared that some producer’s estate put the kibosh on it, for whatever reason… 😢 So yeah who knows if we’ll ever get the Williams piano performance on album. Yavar Edmilson and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Would that be Alan J. Pakula's estate do you think? Although of course we literally just got an expansion of a film directed by Pakula (Presumed Innocent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Well, it will be public domain in 2074... or is it 2094? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 It wasn’t Pakula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 I very very much want the film recordings released, and not just because of Williams' presence! There are passages that I don't think are ever quite captured in the same way in the re-recordings as heard in-film. Like this magical moment. The specific orchestration mix of instruments (harp, cello or viola?, flute, piano, celeste) never sounds quite the same in the re-recordings. In the '97 release the piano/celeste are almost inaudible. In the '63, the piano is much more prominent (and sounds like a different part to me) and the celeste is almost inaudible. And in the '76 it's a very different sound with much more prominent celeste and the harp is almost inaudible! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Great comparison of the various versions! Yeah I too want the original film recording really badly, so hopefully the issue can be cleared up some day. Intrada put a lot of work into it before they were forced to pull the plug; that I know. Personally I think the Ava recording is the most faithful in sound, overall (many though not all of the same players as the film recording). But I think my favorite is the 70s FMC one. It's more its own thing but I love it as a recording/performance. I'm not wild about the 90s one to be honest. It's not bad or anything but a clear last place for me. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: I'm not wild about the 90s one to be honest. It's not bad or anything but a clear last place for me. It's probably partially because it's the only version I knew for so long so it's kind of ingrained. For me, the 70s recording is the clear last (it just will never sound right to me, but I respect it). I think the Ava is probably the best performance but the early 60s stereo balancing I just find a little bit off-putting compared to the more natural 90s mix (more natural just in terms of representing the sound of the orchestra). What I've never heard and would love to hear one day is the mono mix released in 1963, in the day when so many albums got both a stereo and a mono release. AFAIK that mix has never been re-released after the initial vinyl record. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Just in case anyone hasn't heard it, this arrangement of "To Kill a Mockingbird" for flute and orchestra is by Austin Wintory and it's lovely. Yavar Moradi and karelm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Was this concert released on album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Not as far as I'm aware and I'm really not sure why the video was hosted by Varese. There were other videos of the same concert uploaded to Robert Townson's personal Youtube account, I'm guessing he was involved in organizing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPdagUSQT1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9uOzE4GXU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I was actually there. It was a very cool concert. I remember it ended with massive 20-minute suites from Goldenthal's Batman scores and Inception (Zimmer performed on stage as well). 😀 And no, it was never released. Karol Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 BTW, with it on my mind today I ordered on eBay a copy of the original mono vinyl release of the Ava album. bruce marshall and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,294 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Quartet Records has released a new Elmer expansion https://quartetrecords.com/product/the-scalphunters/ Yavar Moradi and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Ordered it yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Jay said: Quartet Records has released a new Elmer expansion https://quartetrecords.com/product/the-scalphunters/ AWESOME news. Actually this is kind of a PREMIERE, because all that was released before was the 28 minute album recording, and the complete original film recording was apparently discovered just recently. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,294 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 It's both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Refer it to the way you want, if I was responsible for an Elmer Bernstein discography, I would count this album as a "new" one (if it's true that the original score recording was previously unreleased). By example in my John Williams discography I count a re-recording album as one album, and the score album (when it's also released for the first time) as another one. It's two albums, two different entities. From the view point of the composer, it's also two different productions, yes based on the same movie. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,294 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, Bespin said: (if it's true that the original score recording was previously unreleased). Why do you think that isn't true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 53 minutes ago, Bespin said: Refer it to the way you want, if I was responsible for an Elmer Bernstein discography, I would count this album as a "new" one (if it's true that the original score recording was previously unreleased). By example in my John Williams discography I count a re-recording album as one album, and the score album (when it's also released for the first time) as another one. It's two albums, two different entities. From the view point of the composer, it's also two different productions, yes based on the same movie. Yeah, this is pretty much how I see it. LLL's Earthquake was both an expansion of the album recording and a significant premiere of the film recording. Intrada's The Eiger Sanction was a similar and even MORE significant film recording premiere, very different from the album. Yavar Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,903 Posted October 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2022 On 31/05/2022 at 1:31 PM, Disco Stu said: Just in case anyone hasn't heard it, this arrangement of "To Kill a Mockingbird" for flute and orchestra is by Austin Wintory and it's lovely. That's so cool! I was at that concert performance. That's my friend playing an arrangement by my classmate of our former professor! Truth is he died just before we were students but his son, Peter Bernstein, visited frequently and conducted our university orchestra in the first tribute concert of his father's music which was an absolute joy to attend all those rehearsals and hang out with him. Very kind man, modest and also part of the Star Wars universe because he composed the score to one of those 80's Ewok movies when he was getting started. But more surprising to me, in a conducting workshop, Elmer's daughter, Emelie, was our yoga/Pilates teacher every morning! Along with Peter, she orchestrated on Cape Fear, The Age of Innocence, basically her father's last decade of films. Both of them are absolute sweethearts and didn't mind us telling them how much we admired their dad. Yavar Moradi, Tom Guernsey, Tallguy and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 15 hours ago, Jay said: Why do you think that isn't true? That was just a way to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I noticed that this new biography about Elmer Bernstein by his son Peter was available on Amazon: Elmer Bernstein biography Has anyone here read it? If so, would you recommend it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 905 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I'd love to check out the Kindle version, but when I see that it's almost the same price as the hardback, I just can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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