Jay 37,285 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Obviously this is old news now, but let's have a thread here to discuss the changes, especially since the blu rays come out tomorrowHere's the most annoying one: Vader's ROTS "NOooooooo" added to ROTJ: Here's another annoying one: Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call has been replaced with a really lame new one! Here's are some lists of all (?) the changes:Star Wars:http://www.dvdactive...s-part-one.htmlThe Empire Strikes Back:http://www.dvdactive...s-part-two.htmlReturn of the Jedi:http://www.dvdactive...part-three.htmlThe Prequels:http://www.dvdactive...-part-four.htmlI'd love to see more youtube videos of other changes if anyone wants to post them!Oh! And have the deleted scenes turned up on youtube yet? I know of this one:http://insidemovies....-deleted-scene/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Two thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Buying my copy tomorrow.Changes I tolerate and even welcome are purely aesthetic improvements : Some sfx shots( like the x-wings approaching Yavin in ANH) , removing matt lines in TESB, the windows in cloud city. Those are pretty cool and don't detract from anythingChanges I am not fond of : Out of date CGI ( like the sandtroopers at the beginning of ANH..I hope they fixed the movement to current CGI standard)Changes I cannot tolerate : altered dialogue lines (Inform my Stardestroyer of my arrival), new CGI actor shots instead of the old ones ( Hayden at the end of RotJ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Episode III is the only one to go untampered (unless you count the optical fade between the Obi-Wan-to-Anakin Crawling scene). Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Cause he hasn't had a decade or more to think about changes he wants to make yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Just be thankful changes like this didn't appear:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNtZ_Q2XBac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I might just paste my thoughts on this from the other place.Actually that was the big event which happened during our purgatory: Manuel turned his back on Lucas. An event worth recording for posterity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I'm getting the old ones. I'll probably get the complete set when it's discounted in the future.The changes are stupid but they don't go any further than cosmetic. The movies are untouched where it counts the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 The two recent changes I really hate is Vader's "Nooooooooooooooo!" in ROTJ (like most of you do). Also like most people I hate the added CG rock in Star Wars with R2 and the changing of the Krayt Dragon call. The rock is majorly unforgivable considering that when it shows R2 coming out of hiding the rock is clearly gone now.It's funny too that the blue escape pod at the beginning after R2 and Threepio land on Tatooine, the pod is gray and continues to be gray when it's shown with those two. However, the pod is once again BLUE with the Stormtroopers. Not sure how the hell they fucked that one up.Edit: I noticed for ROTS when Cody and his battalion of Clones arrives on Utapau to help Obi-Wan there's been some extra dialogue added in with I believe either Cody or just higher ranking clones giving orders as they swing down from that catwalk and such. Also grunts and more yells have been added as clone troopers are hit and go down. That I don't mind at all and it's actually interesting to hear.Oh and also for ROTS, when it cuts to showing Anakin's hand at the end after Obi-Wan leaves Mustafar, it's the theatrical swipe and not the DVD version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Is there a youtube video of the CGI rock R2 hides behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Deleted scenes!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPpnHBxeTM8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Cool thanks!I wonder how WIlliams would have scored that? Short transition cue to highlight Luke's excitement as he races away, then some source music for inside the bar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Despite the damage, it looks way better than the prior "Behind the Magic" release of that material, and the extra dialogue and shots are nice. Of course, the pacing would have been utterly killed, but I do wish there had been some way to work in the early Biggs stuff.If fakey looking zooms in and out weren't annoying enough in the prequels, here's this essential change that Lucas made to ROTJ:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoOsNnsfsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Is there a video showing the before and after of that sequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 If fakey looking zooms in and out weren't annoying enough in the prequels, here's this essential change that Lucas made to ROTJ:honestly I don;t see anything wrong with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Cool thanks!I wonder how WIlliams would have scored that? Short transition cue to highlight Luke's excitement as he races away, then some source music for inside the bar?perhaps some "old friends" (AOTC) esque cues for biggs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I think those scenes work wonderfully without music. Well, they aren't wonderful scenes - Luke's interactions with his friends are particularly stilted and were wisely cut - but the lack of scoring works. The scene in which Luke looks up to the sky and sees the barest glimmers of light, in silence, is quite magical. We empathize with Luke's wonder that there could actually be starships firing at each other in the sky. As for the scenes with Biggs, it would be consistent with the other conversational scenes in Star Wars to leave them unscored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 The updated Krayt dragon call sounds like Obi-Wan closed a door on his penis.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I think those scenes work wonderfully without music. Well, they aren't wonderful scenes - Luke's interactions with his friends are particularly stilted and were wisely cut - but the lack of scoring works. The scene in which Luke looks up to the sky and sees the barest glimmers of light, in silence, is quite magical. We empathize with Luke's wonder that there could actually be starships firing at each other in the sky. As for the scenes with Biggs, it would be consistent with the other conversational scenes in Star Wars to leave them unscored.Idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 The updated Krayt dragon call sounds like Obi-Wan closed a door on his penis.Tim Go to 2:44. Clearly, Obi-Wan's call is that squeal pitched up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff 10 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I can't wait to watch these films on Blu. I should be getting them in the mail today if everything goes smoothly. Other than the "Nooo!" dialogue, none of the changes bother me. I think the unaltered films will come out on Blu-ray in the next few years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Here's a bunch of the OT deleted sceneshttp://www.youtube.com/user/BetterThanHollywood9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Allright I got my SW Blu Ray at Costco for 79$cdn. I think it's better to buy it in the first few days since it's discounted. It'll probably be over 100$ in a month or soI also grabbed Avatar 3 disk extended for 24$. They had new stock and I regretted not buying it last year because regular price is expensivei'll, try to gather some friends to watch it...I'm not in a hurry .Maybe I'll check the bonus stuff first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Nice. I got Avatar 3disc for $16 used at Newbury comics the other month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 ohhh that's right I forgot about that possibility. Imagine if a clean Yoda Farewell is in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Allright I got my SW Blu Ray at Costco for 79$cdn. I think it's better to buy it in the first few days since it's discounted. It'll probably be over 100$ in a month or soi'll, try to gather some friends to watch it...I'm not in a hurry .Maybe I'll check the bonus stuff firstKeep us informed if there is any unreleased music in that bonus stuff. Hopefully the Menus have something.Is this the scene williams scored in "snowspeeder's take flight"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXB_xmumoVE&feature=channel_video_title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,285 Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 I would assume so, at least some version of it. Weird that something that made it late enough into postproduction to have been fully scored would only be available in black and white. Unless they lost the final edited version with ADRd sound, etc, at some point over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/user/BetterThanHollywood9#p/a/u/0/ryqbQE2JF8ILuke training with a lightsaber, no sound though ;(Alternate Han and Leia Kiss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS6x83Vb5IM&feature=channel_video_title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I'm going to watch these in 1080p on a proper TVbut if your going to check them out on Youtube do it now because I'm sure they'll be all deleted by tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 A couple of years ago I would probably be so excited to see this. Now I can't even be bothered to click on them to watch them on Youtube. I guess I'll not be picking this box set up; I just don't care anymore. I'm sure someone will wake me if the original films are ever released properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 yeah I bought it but I'm not as excited about it as I used to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I have been seduced by the Dark side, I must buy the BR set including the "gag" prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 A lot of times, I feel some sort of moral obligation or something when La-La Land or Intrada or FSM does a really nice release, like I absolutely must by the album in order to support them in creating such a fantastic product with no guarantee of financial success.This is kind of the opposite. I cannot allow myself to pay one cent for this hilarious trash. I have absolutely no problem with making modifications to a film as long as they are (relatively modest) improvements, and as long as the original is also made available. (For example, some of the end battle VFX in ANH really were shoddy enough to merit replacing.) But on the whole, all the tampering with the Star Wars OT almost feels like a big joke at this point. Like Lucas is just sitting back and enjoying the process of trolling his fans. I'm not going to bother worrying about it at this point, but I'm not going to spend my money on this. Watching the films in HD would be nice, but I'd rather just wait another 50 years until we finally get the original versions, or versions with only tasteful modifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 398 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Have watched Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. They look very good with the exception of some of the '97 CGI. Definitely sticks out. The sound? Absolutely one hundred percent gold. A complete and utter revelation. It's as if I have only ever heard these films under water. Music is mixed wonderfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (For example, some of the end battle VFX in ANH really were shoddy enough to merit replacing.) I fully agree with that but they should have kept it to that. I remember thinking BEFORE we ever heard of the SE's happening that Lucas should re-do the VFX of Battle of Yavin with at least RotJ level optical effects They look very good with the exception of some of the '97 CGI. Definitely sticks out. huge problem there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 398 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I should clarify. Yavin battle is fairly seamless, and quite excellent. Mos Eisley? God-Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 yes, I was talking about stuff like the CGI sandtroopers climbing on the backs of dewbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Check out Bill Hunt's nice review of the set. I think I will actually pick this up next month.http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviewshd/bdreviews091611.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 If I had a Blu-ray player and drive, and had the money to "waste" I would buy these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Check out Bill Hunt's nice review of the set. I think I will actually pick this up next month.http://www.thedigita...iews091611.htmlFor those of you who hate the past changes (and the new BD changes), believe me I get it. Let me just say, it could be a LOT worse. Sources well-positioned to know have told me that Lucas actually seriously considered replacing the puppet Yoda from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi with the all-digital version, and even had tests conducted to see how it would look. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. (For the record, I'm told that the digital Yoda just didn't look right or mesh well with the real, physical, practical Dagobah sets. Shocking, I know.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Atleast it did not get put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 A couple of years ago I would probably be so excited to see this. Now I can't even be bothered to click on them to watch them on Youtube. I guess I'll not be picking this box set up; I just don't care anymore. I'm sure someone will wake me if the original films are ever released properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Calling Criterion.I can't believe this. I vowed not to get these, but now my dad is begging me to buy them for him. Ugh, at least I have the GOUT coming in the mail from an eBay seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaloCoyoacan 46 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 To anyone who has already seen ROTJ in Blue Ray, I just want to know if the Vader's ROTS Noooo adding to ROTJ is for real, or if it was only a rumor; thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It's 100% true unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,336 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Sandstorm scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIPDbqp76Q&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Wow. There's, like, no access point for R2D2 into that crawling space. He must have beamed into there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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