Will John Williams win his 6th Oscar for 'War Horse'?

[nightscape94 965]

Even if we pretend that the two sets of samples don't overlap at all (which isn't the case), then we still have like 45 minutes or more of music that we haven't heard yet.

[Romão 2,274]

http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/11/3/john-williams-heading-toward-oscar-nomination-46.html

[King Mark 3,631]

if the film is a strong contender for best movie JW might win. Even more if there's a stronger contender, War Horse might get the pity score award

[indy4 155]

I really hope he wins, if only to hear the announcer say "This is John Williams' 46th nomination and 6th win."

[Romão 2,274]

The thing is, the way the academy works, JW might have a much better chance to win if the movie is nominated for best picture but does not win

[King Mark 3,631]

that's what I'm saying

[gkgyver 1,645]

Even better because there is no way War Horse wins Best Picture.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

Oh, it could. The Academy is weird that way. Never say never with them.

Spielberg winning a third Oscar for this, though, is highly unlikely. This only imrpoves War Horse's chances of winning Best Score (Best Pictures without a Best DIrector Oscar tend to get a lot more pity wins), for those of you jacking off to speculation.

[indy4 155]

But I'm assuming the Academy members don't know the result of one category before they vote for another, meaning I doubt they'll know that if War Horse looses Best Picture and/or Best Director before they vote for Best Score.

[Romão 2,274]

It happens all the time. Even Williams himself won 4 of his 5 oscars for movies that were nominated for best picture but ended up not winning. And there are tens of examples one could name. Just in the last few years, you have stuff like The Social Network, Up, Atonement, FOTR, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Finding Neverland, Brokeback Mountain, Babel

[Elmo Lewis 6]

But I'm assuming the Academy members don't know the result of one category before they vote for another, meaning I doubt they'll know that if War Horse looses Best Picture and/or Best Director before they vote for Best Score.

They don't know the ultimate result. But they can think, as they're filling out the ballots, "oh, I denied this movie of Best Picture/Best Director but I did like it a bit, let's see how can I make up for that."

It's an arcane way of explaining the infallible patterns these awards tend to follow.

[King Mark 3,631]

Yes I can see people voting that way. There must be a predictable pattern of voting among academy members

Best Score gets notched when Best Picture and Best Director didn't but the movie deserved something

[Richard Penna 3,684]

Token voting is one of the worst things about the oscars process. It has the potential to make or break some up-and-coming artist's career, and it can depend on some stuffed up academy voter feeling pity on the movie.

I'm going to vote yes, because I think there's a damn good chance.

[Hlao-roo 389]

Token voting is one of the worst things about the oscars process. It has the potential to make or break some up-and-coming artist's career, and it can depend on some stuffed up academy voter feeling pity on the movie.

I don't think winning (or losing) an Oscar has much of an effect on one's career.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

Token voting is one of the worst things about the oscars process. It has the potential to make or break some up-and-coming artist's career, and it can depend on some stuffed up academy voter feeling pity on the movie.

There are a handful of exceptions, but generally the rule is: for Best Director and Best Actor/Actress, the Academy is awarding the person, not the job they did; Best Picture means political statements; and the rest of the categories are considered tokens.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Token voting is one of the worst things about the oscars process. It has the potential to make or break some up-and-coming artist's career, and it can depend on some stuffed up academy voter feeling pity on the movie.

I don't think winning (or losing) an Oscar has much of an effect on one's career.

tell that to santaolalla....

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I could see Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross pulling a Santaolalla.

[Padme 0]

Personally I think John Williams should win an Oscar every time he's nominated So yes, I'd love to see him win again. But I get the feeling they simply want to let mediocre composers out there have a shot....

[Hlao-roo 389]

Token voting is one of the worst things about the oscars process. It has the potential to make or break some up-and-coming artist's career, and it can depend on some stuffed up academy voter feeling pity on the movie.

I don't think winning (or losing) an Oscar has much of an effect on one's career.

tell that to santaolalla....

Or to Nicola Piovani and Jan Kaczmarek?

The point is that Santaolalla had his finger on the pulse of the preferred musical soundscapes of the time. Possibly Reznor and Ross as well. Piovani and Kaczmarek were more flash in the pan. In the end, it's the music, not the award, that makes the difference.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

This looks like it's just a lazy guess, but just in case anybody needed encouragement: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118045764/#.TsJQyJ8Hlyw.twitter

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

In the end, it's the music, not the award, that makes the difference.

What a silly thing to say....

After Gustavo's music has long been forgotten, he will still have his shiny statues to look at.

[Josh500 1,615]

Yes. When all is said and done, an Oscar on your shelf makes a BIG difference, for anyone who receives it. Actors, directors, composers, etc.

[publicist 4,643]

Yes. When all is said and done, an Oscar on your shelf makes a BIG difference, for anyone who receives it. Actors, directors, composers, etc.

Certainly not for a 80-year old who already has 5.

[Josh500 1,615]

I said an Oscar makes a huge difference. Not 6!

It certainly made a big difference to JW, when he won his first one for original composition back in 1976!

[publicist 4,643]

It sure did.

[Hlao-roo 389]

I would say that the music he wrote for The Cowboys and The Reivers and the connections he was able to establish as a result did more for his career than any awards that he won. You could argue that the awards buoyed his confidence and self-esteem and all that, but I suppose that would go without saying.

[publicist 4,643]

I would say that the music he wrote for The Cowboys and The Reivers and the connections he was able to establish as a result did more for his career than any awards that he won.

No love for Irwin Allen?

[Romão 2,274]

Oscar matter more for more visible contributors in the movie business, like Actors and Directors

[Hlao-roo 389]

I would say that the music he wrote for The Cowboys and The Reivers and the connections he was able to establish as a result did more for his career than any awards that he won.

No love for Irwin Allen?

An unfortunate omission. Apologies.

Regarding actors, the Oscar "curse" is of course rhetorically overblown (as "curses" tend to be), but I still think there are enough examples out there to indicate that winning an Oscar is only one variable among many that predict career success. I don't think it plays as much of a causal role (one way or the other) as many people tend to think.

[Brónach 1,302]

I think War Horse won't get Director or Best Picture but will get Score instead.

[Josh500 1,615]

I think War Horse won't get Director or Best Picture

Why not?

[Brónach 1,302]

Because they will think, "oh, this guy is doing Lincoln next, let's wait and give it to Lincoln". Even though Tintin might actually be the better film of the three.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

The Academy has never thought towards the future. If anything, they react in hindsight (Martin Scorese winning for The Departed and not for any other movie he made in the 1970s or 1980s) and always based on politics.

[King Mark 3,631]

I don;t think War Horse will win . It's not different enough from all the other JW scores that were nominated and lost

I'm placing my bet on that gimmick score for The Artist

[Ricard 2,245]

I don;t think War Horse will win . It's not different enough from all the other JW scores that were nominated and lost

Neither was E.T.

[King Mark 3,631]

Actually E.T. was a "new" JW sound back in 1982.

[Ricard 2,245]

NO.

[nightscape94 965]

Word is already traveling about the movie The Artist. People are championing it, it's picking up steam. I think it's the kind of flick that would pick up a score Oscar (it's a silent film, so music plays a central role). Williams ain't winning this year folks.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

If Memoirs of a Geisha, which is Academy "different music" porn couldn't win, then War Horse doesn't have a shot in hell.

[MissPadmé 17]

Word is already traveling about the movie The Artist. People are championing it, it's picking up steam. I think it's the kind of flick that would pick up a score Oscar (it's a silent film, so music plays a central role). Williams ain't winning this year folks.

Ludovic Bource composed the music for "The Artist", the name sounds foreign enough to win an Oscar.....

[Elmo Lewis 6]

It's settled!

[Richard Penna 3,684]

All the old folks and traditionalists in the academy will be drooling over it.

Williams will never win another oscar!

[BLUMENKOHL 1,068]

If viewers don't even watch the Oscars anymore, does the award still have credibility?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[King Mark 3,631]

NO.

Well not according to my classification and evolution trees of JW styles

-The "disaster movie" sound:

Poseidon Adventure>Eathquake>Eiger Sanction>Towering Inferno>Jaws>Midway>Black Sunday

-The full blown epic adventure style:

Star Wars>Superman>Indiana Jones>Tintin

-The "modern" JW action style:

Jurassic Park>The Lost World>Minority Report>War of the Worlds

-I'm not sure what to call it but E.T. was the first that led to similarly orchestrated scores, more his "shimmering 80's style"

E.T.>Amazing Stories>Spacecamp>Home Alone>Hook>Harry Potter

[nightscape94 965]

Sound and style are different things.

[Ricard 2,245]

NO.

Well not according to my classification and evolution trees of JW styles

-The "disaster movie" sound:

Poseidon Adventure>Eathquake>Eiger Sanction>Towering Inferno>Jaws>Midway>Black Sunday

-The full blown epic adventure style:

Star Wars>Superman>Indiana Jones>Tintin

-The "modern" JW action style:

Jurassic Park>The Lost World>Minority Report>War of the Worlds

-I'm not sure what to call it but E.T. was the first that led to similarly orchestrated scores, more his "shimmering 80's style"

E.T.>Amazing Stories>Spacecamp>Home Alone>Hook>Harry Potter

We were talking about the ACADEMY here, not your personal classification.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

Just in case it hasn't been posted anywhere else on the board, this article is mighty different from our take on the Best Score award.

[Richard Penna 3,684]

Dario Marianelli will probably win the Bafta for Tinker.

Although I'd say War Horse has a fair chance as it's set in England.

[gkgyver 1,645]

Just in case it hasn't been posted anywhere else on the board, this article is mighty different from our take on the Best Score award.

The Academy permits big-name veterans to be nominated for multiple scores in a single year, which makes it incredibly hard for up-and-comers to break into the category.

Is that statement completely bonkers or is that just my impression?

This headline, with the pic of Williams underneath made me laugh in disbelief.