Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Well.. maybe if we had... I don't know... The cue sheet, or something... we could... you know, find out what was originally planned... Now that's the spirit! When in doubt BloodBoal always use that kind of language, suppositions, guesses etc. Don't go boasting about fanfares and choirs if you do not know that for a fact. So think all who live to see such times. But less crying emoticons next time perhaps, you are taking this way too hard even though film cue detective work is serious business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brónach 367 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Film cue detective work makes grown men cry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Either BloodBoal is really in touch with his emotions and can admit that in full view of the forum or he is just a kid lost in a grown men's harsh unreal world of internet film music analysis. Either way his reaction is making me tear up a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BloodBoal 7508 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Don't go boasting about fanfares and choirs if you do not know that for a fact.Second paragraph Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Oh no BloodBoal! After you posted that, the choir's site has removed the 2nd paragraph! It must have been some kind of secret contractual thing and now they must go underground since you blew their clandestine Hollywood connection! They will be hunted and persecuted and executed and prosecuted and not in that order but anyway they are in trouble because you blew the whistle! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alicebrallice 132 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Either BloodBoal is really in touch with his emotions and can admit that in full view of the forum or he is just a kid lost in a grown men's harsh unreal world of internet film music analysis. Either way his reaction is making me tear up a bit. now kiss! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Ewwww! Alice how could you?! I mean really! This is a serious thread and you keep trying to derail it with all kind of making up making out. Just ewwww! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BloodBoal 7508 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Either BloodBoal is really in touch with his emotions and can admit that in full view of the forum or he is just a kid lost in a grown men's harsh unreal world of internet film music analysis. Either way his reaction is making me tear up a bit. now kiss!A few years back, this could have been enough to ban you forever from the forum. You're lucky rules have changed.I'll never kiss Incanus. Never, ever. I mean, he's handsome, and he has gorgeous muscles... And he has a soft skin... And his moustache... No... No way I'll ever kiss him!But back on topic, please! About Capturing The Plane: all seems to indicate the cue should end with a Tintin's theme statement (honestly!). This cue is one (more or less) long build-up to something... Something we don't get the chance to hear! Spielberg probably decided to track Sakharine's motif to remind the audience that this character is still there, looking for the scrolls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 From this point of view it is a shame the FYC album contained music as heard in the film since it would have been great to hear the pieces as written, not including all the micro edits and tracking. Capturing the Plane in particular seems to crescendo towards something terrific only to be cut short by that tracked segment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brónach 367 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 This score is shred to pieces. I'm convinced such a thing can affect quite a bit people's opinions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BloodBoal 7508 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 This score is shred to pieces.I disagree. Apart from this cue, Clash Of The Cranes, and maybe one or two other cues, it was pretty much untouched in the final film. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BloodBoal 7508 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Alright, alright. Spielberg has messed with this score, the harsh way. But is it really on a SW prequels level? I don't think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 The reason Tintin might not SEEM too messed up is because the OST retained a lot of the editing done for the final film. But when the compare the final results to the sheet music its a clustercuddle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Ah so Williams original intentions VS what ended up in the film were vastly different? It is interesting to note that 20 years ago we would have been so much happier with what we had because these days all this "in the process" and behind the scenes knowledge of these scores down to the sheet music gives us a vastly different picture of film scoring and scores. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 No I'm just talking about microediting and tracking and stuff. The OST literally has tracked music in it (the openings of tracks 5 and 8) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 No I'm just talking about microediting and tracking and stuff. The OST literally has tracked music in it (the openings of tracks 5 and 8)But do we have knowledge of the final music as written for the last version of the film or is this based on how Williams originally conceived things? He might have in revising material either placed some sections elsewhere or written something very similar for another scene later. Naturally it is possible to deduce what has been changed in any given cue when you compare the sheet music from earlier cut to the music in the final one.Btw is the version of Thompsons' Theme heard on track 4 Introducing the Thompsons and Snowy's Chase originally meant for that scene or another case of tracking on the album? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muad'Dib 1193 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Btw is the version of Thompsons' Theme heard on track 4 Introducing the Thompsons and Snowy's Chase originally meant for that scene or another case of tracking on the album?It was probably for the deleted scene where the Thompsons are walking in the market and get their canes stuck with each other while they walk around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 I wish Spielberg put deleted scenes on his dvds/blu rays The footage of them filming that scene is hilarious! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5040 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Yeah Spielberg quite rarely releases any deleted scenes from his films on DVD or Blu-rays. Even though he seems to believe in ecomonic shoots, meaning that all or at least most the scenes shot usually end up in the film, I am sure there is deleted/unused material for most of his films. Plus those recording sessions videos he does. I would love to get my hands on those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jilal 410 Report post Posted June 18, 2012 Btw is the version of Thompsons' Theme heard on track 4 Introducing the Thompsons and Snowy's Chase originally meant for that scene or another case of tracking on the album?It was probably for the deleted scene where the Thompsons are walking in the market and get their canes stuck with each other while they walk around.Nope. It's alternate music for the Catching the Thief scene. (which is 1m18 Alt.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrotherSound 170 Report post Posted August 1 @Jay and anyone else interested: The Adventures of Tintin - (More?) Complete Cue List Cue numbers from the original sheet music unless otherwise indicated 1M1* - Tintin [unused] 1M2* - Tintin and Snowy [unused] 1M3* - Tinker-Tin [unused] 1M3 Rev* - Tinker-Tin 1S4A - Carousel 1S4B - Sur Le Boulevard 1S4C - Sur Le Boulevard 1M6 - Empty Drawers 1M6 Insert - Snowy and the Cat 1M6A - Following Tin The Library Scene 1M7 - The Ship Is Gone 1M8 - Entering the Mansion 1M8A - Dog vs. Dog 1M8B - The Second Ship 1M9A - The Missing Scroll 1M9B - Introducing the Pattersons 1M9B Insert - Stepping On the Cat 1M9B - New Intro 1M10 - The Pickpocket Scene 1M11 - You Mean, the Poem? 1M12 - Introducing Haddock 1M12A - Pop That Cork 1M13 - Tub...Tub 1M14 - The Radio Room 1M16 - Rowing to Bagdar 1M16A - The Captain Takes the Oars 1M19A - Thom Thompsons 1M19B - This Is the Desert 1M20A - Sailing With Sir Francis 1M20B - Desert Rescue 1M21A - A Sober Haddock 1M21B - Old Enemies Meet 1M21C - At Sword Point 2M10A - Snowy In Pursuit 2M11A - You Know the Stakes! 2M12 Rev - Tin and Capt. Meet 2M13 Insert - Make Him Pay! 2M13A - The Sleeping Crew 2M22 - Dueling Pirates 3M14 Insert 2 - Trying the Lifeboats 3M15 Rev - New Boat Escape 3M16 Rev - Tin's Description 3M16A - Fire On the Boat 3M17 - Capturing the Plane 3M17A - The Plane Ride 3M35* - The Unicorn Theme 3M35* - The Unicorn 3M40* - TNT 3M40* - TNT String Intro 4M19C - Sea Battle 4M20 Rev - The Unicorn 4M21C - Insert Gold In the Hold 4M22A - Working the Puzzle and Into the Desert 4M22A Insert - Red Rockham's Curse 4M22A Insert 2 - To Baghar! 4M22B - Tin and Emir Exchange Legends 4M22C - That's My Ship 4M22 Insert 2 - Feather Knife 4M23A - We're Being Followed 4M23A Insert - Hanging the Poster4M23B - The Milanese Nightingale4S23C - Vivaldi - Concerto for Strings No. 4 in "E Major" 4S23D - Rossini - Cavatina Gounod - Romeo and Juliet No. 3 Arietta Romeo and Juliet No. 3 Arietta Alt End (Db)4M24A - Yes or Gu-no 4M24B - The Falcon and the Flood 5M23F - Captain Protects the Scroll 5M25 Insert - Tin Dives In 5M25A - Haddock's Nobility 5M25A Rev - The Captain's Pep Talk 5M25B - Raising the Rolls 5M25B Rev - Lifting the Rolls 5M26B - Crane Fight 5M26B Insert 1 - Crane Insert #1 5M26B Insert 2 - Snowy Helps Out! 5M26B Insert 3 - The Crane Falls 5M26C - Sac Versus the Captain 5M26C Insert - Tintin to the Rescue 5M28 - Marlinspike Hall 5M31 - To Be Continued 6M27A - Reading the Scrolls 6M27B - The Arrival At Marlinspike Hall 6M31 Insert - The Treasure 6M40 - Snowy's E.T. 6M45 - Dueling End Title Bike Ride On A Clothes Line Escape In A Small Boat Strolling In Disguise The Eye of Baghar * Cue numbers from the Sony leak file names Update: added a few more! 3 The Illustrious Jerry, Holko and crumbs reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 1 Wow, that's quite... substantial. I'd love to see a spreadsheet of this aligned with the OST's inclusions. That's a tonne of unreleased music, especially considering all the revisions. Williams practically scored half the film twice! 1 BrotherSound reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fal J. M. Skywalker 1794 Report post Posted August 1 The Pickpocket Scene.. Picking Pockets!!! 1 BrotherSound reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 1 So I'm a bit late to the party here but the 2 versions of the opening titles are Tinker-Tin and Tinker-Tin Rev, yeah? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrotherSound 170 Report post Posted August 1 So, I thought Snowy and Tintin would be Snowy's Theme on the OST, but Snowy's Theme is actually the oddly named Snowy's E.T.! They're both arrangements of the Snowy theme, and share some similar passages (though arranged differently), but are quite different takes on it. Snowy and Tintin is much less of a mini piano concerto movement, and has a lot more mallet percussion, among other differences. Also, the OST version was written with an additional 20 measures at the beginning. No idea, of course, whether those were recorded and then edited out, or taken out before the recording was made. Is anyone doing mockups lately? Should I tackle this one myself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
filmmusic 646 Report post Posted August 2 6 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Snowy's Theme is actually the oddly named Snowy's E.T.! E.T. stands for End Titles. 2 crumbs and BrotherSound reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 Can't wait to hear the Matessino expansion in 2031! 1 1 The Illustrious Jerry and BrotherSound reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luke Skywalker 603 Report post Posted August 2 At this rate... It will be Mr. matessino Jr. 1 The Illustrious Jerry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arpy 2632 Report post Posted August 2 '150 years ago, my great grandfather, Mike Matessino the First brought us the expanded albums of Harry Potter, Jurassic Park, Superman and E.T.. I now present to you the score to the forgotten The Adventures of Tintin, a film released in 2012, so long ago.' - Mike Matessino the Third Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holko 3482 Report post Posted August 2 It will still be CD only if we know rightsholders well enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 "Snowy E.T." is the Snowy's Theme track on the OST / Snowy's Theme arrangement intended for the end credits "Tintin and Snowy" is one of the many main title ideas before they finally settled on Tinker-tin for the final film and OST 1 BrotherSound reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 1 minute ago, Jay said: "Tintin and Snowy" is one of the many main title ideas before they finally settled on Tinker-tin for the final film and OST Do you know if it was recorded? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 We assume it was based on the Sony hack Quote 1m01v1_Tintin.aif 1m02v1_TintinandSnowy.aif 1m03alt_Tinker Tin.aif 1s04B_Sur Le Boulevard.aif 1m10v1_PickpocketScene.aif 2m22_Dueling Pirates.aif 4m23B_The Milanese Nightingale.aif 4m24B_The Falcon and the Flood.aif 3m35v1_TheUnicornTheme.aif 3m40v1_TNT.aif 2 BrotherSound and crumbs reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 What exactly is that leak? A bunch of audio files or just a list of filenames? From Sony? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 Yea the hackers dumped a list of every file they got and we found those listed in the text file but the actual files never leaked Here's more info about the hack https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/business/media/as-more-documents-appear-sony-seeks-to-calm-nervous-employees.html?_r=0 https://www.riskbasedsecurity.com/2014/12/05/a-breakdown-and-analysis-of-the-december-2014-sony-hack/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_hack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 Wowsers! Yeah I remember that huge Sony hack and all the files that got dumped online... so essentially the hackers got the complete score for Tintin but it never actually leaked online?! That's brutal! All I remember being leaked were heaps of bitchy emails about Fincher from Amy Pascal. 1 The Illustrious Jerry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 The hackers stole 11,000 gigs worth of data put only posted bits and bobs of it online, The Interview was the big hoopla but I think they posted Still Alice before it opened to, and tons of email and employee's social security numbers, etc. They never posted any music files that I ever saw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 1 minute ago, Jay said: They never posted any music files that I ever saw That quote you posted above, with all the filenames, was that just an excerpt of a much larger list? I must not have been around when this discussion happened, it's total news to me, but who went searching for something this obscure? Kudos to whoever joined the dots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 Like I said, 13 minutes ago, Jay said: the hackers dumped a list of every file they got and we found those listed in the text file I might still have that text file on my hard drive somewhere, I can look for it if you want. Tintin was the only Williams-related thing we found in it. Really it was the only interesting thing in it, music wise, at all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 Well, kudos to whoever thought to look for it, considering the mass of files. Was it only Williams' score for Tintin that had a bunch of audio filenames in the leak? What about his other Sony scores like The Patriot or Hook? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 It was me, I thought to look for it! It was very exciting when I saw it, only to be deflated when there ended up being no leak of the actual files And I just answered your other question in my prior post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 2 minutes ago, Jay said: It was me, I thought to look for it! It was very exciting when I saw it, only to be deflated when there ended up being no leak of the actual files Well done mate! Good find. And yeah, that sucks. Are we 100% sure the actual files didn't leak? In any case, if they are AIF files, they are certainly audio files, which means they correspond to cues that were actually recorded. Presumably what you posted was part of a much larger list, so if it corresponds with the complete cue list posted above then we might have some clarity about what was actually recorded for this score (considering all the revisions Williams wrote for multiple cuts). Not that it matters, because we won't be getting an expansion of Tintin for decades, probably. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 Other than emails, social security numbers, and a handful of movies before they had opened in theaters, I never heard of anything else leaking. You are welcome to research it yourself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 I'll put the feelers out and see what I can find. Someone has all the data, somewhere. Certainly makes you wonder what else might be 'accessible' if you have the right skills to acquire them... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holko 3482 Report post Posted August 2 So who tried blackmailing Sony employees with those emails and numbers into getting rights shit done? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6027 Report post Posted August 2 37 minutes ago, Jay said: I might still have that text file on my hard drive somewhere, I can look for it if you want. Only if it's not a huge pain... I'd be happy to make a spreadsheet to compare with the complete cue list, so we know what was actually recorded. Then we just need to contact someone who works at Sony and ask them to leak the complete score online, seeing as the labels can't afford these modern Williams scores, nor work with Sony. 1 BrotherSound reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 12376 Report post Posted August 2 I'm not sure what you mean. The only TIntin info in the entire text file was the part I already quoted above. There was nothing else 1 BrotherSound reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrotherSound 170 Report post Posted August 2 @Jay Thanks for the info! I've updated again with the cue numbers that weren't on the scores. I don't get this numbering system at all, though! With this scheme, does 3m40 come before or after 4m24? I'm assuming it's the former, but the numbering for The Force Awakens, for example, seems much more clear: the first and second numbers are always in ascending order. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites